nope does not work.

Let's just blame Microsoft.

Yeah that makes sense. Lets all hate on this programmer who made a stable working program that does things that no other program was able to do because he is choosing to do something with the program he created that we disapprove of.

My comparison was my answer to him; following his logic, he's a hypocrite. It wasn't implying anything negative of CMT because I too hold deep respect for them, as pioneers of Halo modding. They built upon an existing game so well that its worthy of credit all on its own. Gravemind started by asking for help. He didn't pay someone off, he didn't boost his performance, he asked someone to help him start. But Adjutant has been in development for a long time; hell, the features that Gravemind learned were a mere fraction of its full list of features.

It isn't nice to be other side of the sword, is it? Argue or not, you're JUST as guilty as Gravemind of exactly the things you seem to find so distasteful now - in your own words, you withheld assets rather than release them. It's laughable at how much you're being hypocritical.

Look, all this b****ing isn't getting anybody anywhere. ZTeam sucks hairy cashews for not releasing BSPs to the community because they didn't get their ego quite stoked enough, Gravemind may as well be Lucifer's second-hand for restricting H4 asset extraction to certain people for a while. It's all pointless finger-pointing and ego-stoking, and I, for one, am a little sick of all of it.

Can we PLEASE just get back onto the topic at hand?

Seriously, this is ridiculous. I am not complaining about him not releasing Halo 4 extraction. Go and look at my previous 3 posts now....I have not mentioned anything about that, only programming and code. Stop making up stuff.
Edited by ShadowSpartan on Apr 13, 2013 at 08:39 PM

I have watched this argument occur over and over in each iteration of the game and each time I see it I have to laugh. First off no one working on anything for the game has any obligation to share the tools or the assets with anyone. They do so at their own discretion.

Second anyone who wants the social currency of making something by showing it off before finishing it is narcissistic. Show people what you have done not tell people what you are going to do.

These type of arguments are quite frankly petulant and childish. They should be by now beneath you. Especially since you have been on both sides of them.

I'm sure ShadowSpartan could care less about what happens to this app. AFAIK he has no issue with Gravemind holding back H4 content, and none of his posts have supported the notion he thinks it should be made to the public.



You are missing my point Dennis. He has promised people one thing, then changed his mind when he has decided he can "profit" by keeping things private for his friends. Is he obligated to release what he worked on? No, he is not. Is it a jackass move to provide people one thing then take it away? I think so, even though he has every right to do so.

The argument is that he's screwing over the people for whom this app was intended for, in order to work on content he can give to his friends.

I have always been pro-open source, back to the days when I made a case to SteelixB to make the HEK+ work on CE maps. Then again when I open sourced the CMT mod when I realized the team had run out of steam. Then again when I got permission from CAD to release Zteam content. Then again by sharing Viper Neo's bitmap importer for Max. And then of course the work that all of H2SPP is doing, which is an open source project anyone can contribute, and anyone will be able to borrow from. I have always done my best to make sure things can be shared (although sometimes what CMT members have wanted has conflicted with what I wanted to do).

It's the attitude in this thread that stifles development of the community and peoples own skills, both artistic and developmental.


Edited by Masters1337 on Apr 13, 2013 at 09:00 PM

So, Sali, your point out how your not gonna complain anymore about people not releasing things acting in the same manor as all the other children, because you don't want to piss people off to the point they don't care about you anymore? Usually, an apology is the straightforward approach, but suit yourself.

What's stopping people from using the plugins then?

Foolish of Gravemind to trust Arabs and 13 year olds.

You are right, i have no idea how i came to that conclusion, my apologies.

No, I think he's foolish for trusting Arabs and 13 year olds!

Show me where I have done that, repeatably showed off things, because I do not go around showing stuff off. The Halo 2 animations thread is what you always go back to, which has been explained time and time again by myself. As for showing off Halo 3 BSPs in the past, I have not done so like you claim.
Edited by ShadowSpartan on Apr 13, 2013 at 09:43 PM

Well, here's the acid test:

You have/had access to those assets and tools at some point, showing them off or not. We all know you and your team have/had those assets. And yet, for all that... why don't the public have them?

Come on, SS. Man up. You withheld your stuff. No amount of worming around is going to get you out of it, so you may as well just admit it.

That goes back to what Dennis was saying, people have no obligation to release their own personal work to the public. If I work on something, then it is my decision whether I release it or not, since I am the one that did the work. I have not gone around showing off my stuff to the community, so therefore it is people assuming what I (or Zteam) has or does not have, then getting angry because they don't have it. How do you not see what is wrong with that logic?

I have the right to hoard my money and not donate to the poor. I mean, it's my money. And I'm surely not a bad person either!

And you b*****d Gravemind out for this?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

And the winner of the 2013 Foot in Mouth Awards goes to...?

He never bitched at Gravemind for that?

You do have the right to hoard your money, and he has the right to hoard part of his program. It's his program. I can't say he's being generous for doing it but it's his program.

Good thing people like you aren't in charge!

^This was my point, Sherlock.

And then they cry because they don't get "respect" or "appreciation" from the community...
Haha..that's funny.
Edited by TDog on Apr 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Well here's an affront to the old "keep what you steal" religion: Halo 2276 Debug XBE

And no, I did not upload it, but it DOES work.
Edited by OrangeJuice on Apr 13, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I have said nothing in my posts about him releasing or not releasing...you people need to actually read my stuff rather than putting words into my mouth and jumping to conclusions.


For your information, I was actually against showing off the Halo 3 stuff once we got it. It was CAD and CV that showed it off without my approval, so stop saying that I was the one that did so.

Castle Map Hax! =)

Actually no, I could not, because it was done behind my back without my permission.
Edited by ShadowSpartan on Apr 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Somehow, I strongly feel that this applies to these arguments in the topic.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/16498/Shingeki_no_Kyojin
Edited by XlzQwerty1 on Apr 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

I personally enjoy Commie's giant essay on why that title is incorrect
http://commiesubs.com/shingeki-no-kyojin-01/#more-10888
Its a good way to pass the time lol.

Why not just go get the debug xex for halo 3 and fly around with the devcam if replicating maps was so important? It is out there, leaked

We haven't been a team for quite some time, hence why I've been working on my own personal stuff.

I don't believe racism is appreciated on this forum regarding the arab comments.
Also screw quoting, you can figure out what I'm talking about on your own.

I never "promised" anything regarding Halo4, nor did I "remove" it an any recent updates. There hasn't been an update since before this crap started and to be honest I don't know how the "trick" to open the maps even works. I tried it and there isn't any option to continue after the exception or to reload the map.

As for the whole "at its core it's not his" crap, that's not true either. The whole point of rewriting it for v3 was to get rid of the Alteration stuff and make my own. As for the research integrity, whether you read information from a textbook or write the textbook yourself, it doesn't change the fact that you learned from it. This being the case, I actually learned and understand all the things I coded, and they weren't a straight up copy and paste without any care for whether it makes sense or not. To further the point, credit was given to people who helped me learn whether or not it was direct help.

Editing the snd! plugin will not help in any way. As I stated before, plugins have nothing to do with actual extraction, all they do is make the meta viewer load different tag classes.

Last of all Zteam has nothing to do with this thread, and over 80 posts worth of unrelated crap isn't really needed.
Edited by Gravemind on Apr 13, 2013 at 10:59 PM

so I gess noone cares that that picture comes from a map that's' unsupported.

You guys are so bussy arguing you would'nt know what the F hit you if you got shot in the face.
Edited by jackrabbit on Apr 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM

And you are the Republican!
Cheers!

nvm
Edited by jackrabbit on Apr 13, 2013 at 11:16 PM

This is why people like Gravemind are going to end up leaving this community. He has put a lot of hard work and time into this and wanted it to be 100% for a final release. There were lots of problems with sound extraction but he waited till it was in a good, usable state before he released it to you guys who are going to do what ever with it (who may or may not even give credit to him). Just because he and a group of trusted people were testing Halo 4 stuff and making it smother to work with, you guys are going to bash him and say that they are using it for there own gain? Where have you seen Gravemind posting and bragging how he is using Halo 4 models when everyone else can not? When have you seen anyone do that?

I tell you what, this community has some really funny ideas or you guys just like to hate on stuff without knowing the full story for no reason.