Gravemind isn't butthurt at all, he wasn't even really bothered by the leak, only disappointed. I am butthurt because people are talking crap about him, and its completely unjustified.

Halomaps is the forum time forgot.

Seriously, I'm sure none of you are as young as you act.
Edited by Banshee64 on Apr 13, 2013 at 04:32 PM

hi my name is Gravemind, and I like to release half finished extraction tools on a regular basis. You know to help the community and stuff. But not Halo 4 though. That's for my and my buddies! Or I'll just give it to select individuals so they can do stuff with it while ignoring the rest of the community, because they don't deserve it... yet!

Like I said, I don't give a crap about waiting or being able to extract content. What I have a problem here is Graveminds two faced nature. It's PATHETIC he wants to hold other people back so he and his buddies can reap the benefits of h4 extraction, as well as other people's code which made what they are doing all possible.



whaaaaaaaaaaa? So he's not upset by it, but decided to remove a requested feature anyway? btw, even the person who "gifted" him the code talk smack about how he can't figure out anything on his own... LOL.
Edited by Masters1337 on Apr 13, 2013 at 04:35 PM

Is this some kind of joke?

Firstly, you're assuming his intentions are bad, which is ridiculous because he gave the community Halo 3 and Reach extraction. Second, you're assuming its selfish to not want people to have your work, after it was stolen by somebody else who gave it to everyone, which also conveniently fits with your theory that he just wants stuff for himself; but that is also ridiculous because that's the normal reaction to having your stuff stolen.

He wanted to work on it for a while before releasing it, but he obviously can't do everything himself so he gave Halo 4 extraction to 3 other people who had the skills that he didn't, so that they could the tags together.
And as for the person who talks smack about him? I know LOTS of people who talk LOTS of smack about you, but I don't believe a word of it because other people vouch for you and I have seen your work; I don't simply take it for granted when (Edit: Incorrectly spelled when) someone says that you suck and are talentless.

Everyone is forgetting that this stuff was LEAKED before it was supposed to be RELEASED.
Edited by Sinow on Apr 13, 2013 at 04:48 PM

I am still not understanding why he is removing a feature that is 99% functional.

Then why the Hell are you even here, arguing the point? Nobody in their right mind save a masochist would subject themselves to this pointless argument if they don't care.

This all amounts to GRAVEMIND IS A BIG STINKY POOPOO HEAD AND YOU SHOULD ALL HATE HIM 'CAUSE I SAID SO and nothing more. If you disagree with him so badly then fine, take it up with him. But Christ, would you just quit b****ing for a second?

I'm getting asset extraction. I don't care where it comes from, I don't care whose code the tools are built from. I really don't care at all - I'm thankful that the effort is being made at all, and that the tools with eventually end up in public hands. Complaining is more likely to remove that chance, so do me the kindest of favours and please, take your prolapse elsewhere?

You do realize I am arguing on your behalf so that there is a H4 extractor available to the public?

You're a smart boy.

Naturally, disappointment. I'm not going to shower Gravemind with adulation and pretend that things are all rose-red at all - I don't like the 'behind closed doors' attitude myself.

But when presented with the situation, along with the reminder of promises that the tools will be available eventually, I choose to settle down for the long wait, and otherwise occupy myself until such a time as I can make use of the tools.

Complaining, and hammering at the door like a pack of feral wolves, really solves nothing.

Having that kind of mentality is yet another problem that the community has. It puts off programmers from pouring time into their work and releasing it, only to have others take it and claim as their own.

No, you're bashing the author of the extractor, with a side of misplaced self-righteousness.

He removed the feature because... well, who wouldn't? He's just going to say, damn, somebody stole my stuff and gave it to everyone without my permission. Well played, I guess there's nothing I can do. Too bad I spent months of work into this so that I could use it myself for a little while before I completely give it away.

If the programmers weren't like Gravemind, maybe things would be different!
/commonsense

My point is Gravemind is a 2 faced weasel, who is holding things back from the community so he and his friends can benefit at the expense of others. For all the talk of wanting to help people by creating an app that can extract content, he keeps the ability to extract the most prized content to himself.

The fact he is benefitting off code that is not even his is just the icing on the cake of this situation.

Why does everyone hate gravemind suddenly?

Long story short:
1. Gravemind gets adjutant to extract from Halo 4.
2. Gravemind doesn't give it to anyone except a few people.
3. Those few people won't share until they're the first to do everything they want with it.
4. They get caught.
5. Everyone wants to kill Gravemind.

Yeah, his using his own application is just so incredibly twofaced and selfish.

Nah. Him using it to heighten his (and his friends') reputation is selfish.
It's not hard to understand.. Though I'm sure you were in the deal with the rest of his friends, so it's understandable why you're confused.
Edited by TDog on Apr 13, 2013 at 05:16 PM

Now, forgive me if I'm wrong... but... if Gravemind wrote the program, shouldn't he have carte blanche to say who does and doesn't have it, and what's in it?

Again, we're looking at the majority of the community acting like spoiled brats because they didn't get to the good toys first. Truly hilarious, truly mature.

There is a thing called decency. Bragging, by its very nature, is not within that domain.

Other people's immaturity is not a reason to act immature yourself. He won't be treated any different.
Edited by TDog on Apr 13, 2013 at 05:18 PM

oh, you mean his application which is built on others code PER YOUR OWN ADMITANCE. At it's core, its not his, nor is the codebase and research he has added onto it

Is everyone overreacting to this?

It's not like it hasn't happened before. People have, and still are, keeping certain things to themselves.

If only people around here would follow those sage words of wisdom...

Oh no, ALL of CMT's assets were based on a Halo game but hey, they're upheld as heroes, because they added to it, they studied it, they improved it and eventually released it. Don't see you labelling yourself as anything negative.

Sage? That's clearly teal.

Ah the traditional "BU- BU- BUT...HE DID IT TOO!!!!" argument. Nice one, but don't expect it to hold.
Edited by TDog on Apr 13, 2013 at 05:43 PM

Trying to deflect the problem onto CMT now because you don't want to address what Masterz said? That's sure what it looks like to me.

As Masterz stated, Gravemind's code and research at it's core is not his. You even admitted that he used someone else's research and code to fix up the problems that the codebase had, because he was unable to do so on his own.

Lol, so basically you guys using someone else's code and research to copy functionality is the same as a team of artists creating content based on other games?

is there anyway to fix this...

Loading failed:sorce array was not long enough. check srcIndex and the array's lower bounds.

???

trying to view a model.

also how can I get the script to work I'm having trouble in max 8 btw.
Edited by jackrabbit on Apr 13, 2013 at 06:36 PM

Forgetting for a second that you just completely ignored the last few pages of heated debate, AND that you've been pestering me via PM for answers:

Some models won't extract. Going to have to deal with it until we get the full release.

I extracted the model fine the viewer just didn't show it but anyway I read the last few pages.

so anyway I seam to have an error with max 8 and some settings for windows 8 that prevents me from draging and droping files to 3ds max 8 is there another way to open the emf script? from menu?

Can't you click on MAXscript then click on Run Script?

Members of Zteam telling people not to hoard tags, that's almost laughable.

I have not said anything about that, do not put words into my mouth. Yet again, people changing the subject and not addressing the issue at hand.

I have posted twice during this whole debate and I did not mention tags in either post. It is ridiculous how you people create lies and bend history just because you dislike the fact that Zteam kept most of it's work to itself.
Edited by ShadowSpartan on Apr 13, 2013 at 08:13 PM

It is a non issue.
Also i have no, nor have i ever had any beef with masterz.
Edited by Maniac1000 on Apr 13, 2013 at 08:13 PM