Im already aknowladged with it - i dont even feel high-and-mighty and i wont feel like that.
There are some stuff that never seen before in the other maps. but yeah,there`re not too much of them.
For meanwhile,we update only the tagset and not the bsp (next release will have better looking bsp).
If people like it,im glad. we still working on the errors and bugs,thats why we release it,because then people can help us realize the problems we don`t..
We also wanna finaly finish with this map and move on to another with better bsp.
Edited by Xander92 on Mar 12, 2011 at 07:05 PM

Are you gonna try terminal?

Nupe :\ its even more buggy...

EDIT: BTW,check the new anims for SMG
http://www.xfire.com/video/42d502/
Edited by Xander92 on Mar 12, 2011 at 07:29 PM

It seems the video has been deleted...?

ODX, you should have just stopped after "To be honest I don't "mind." The rest of your post was completely pointless and was just designed to talk yourself up and to put this map creator down.
Do you realise that saying things like "there's nothing really special here" and "Just another map with the same weapons I've seen through the years be used time and time again" people reading this think you are saying it to make yourself sound so experienced and awesome? And at the same time you're making the creators time and effort, that they are contributing to this map, feel insignificant and pointless? And "try not to get to high-and-mighty"??????

There is no financial reward for the countless hours spent making maps, only self-fulfillment and the praise of your peers, comments like the ones you made are what's stopping people people from finishing their maps and it's contributing to the slow demise of custom edition maps being built.
Keep your ego to yourself, be helpful and share your wisdom or start your own thread where you can talk about your years of experience on halomaps.org, but to come here and trivialise someones' hard work or putting someone down just makes you an arsehole.
That is all.


Edited by Ubergoober on Mar 12, 2011 at 09:58 PM

nah, odx is right.

The creators "time and effort"? Lol, c'mon. He ripped a Halo 2 map, did some meh shaders, added a bunch of halo 3 weapons, and you call that "time and effort"?

I mean, it'd be one thing if it was of decent quality like Sali's ports- but it isn't.

If you expect to get praise for ripping a map from a game that came out well over 5 years ago, and then putting it into a game 5 years older then that, you are in the wrong place.

And ODX is exactly right about "fun". If you are having fun, good for you. Thats what you should be doing, but don't expect every single person to think its as fun as you thought it was.

sorry!

i've been a member since early 2007, thanks, and even if i was still only one year, it seems to me that my post would still be absolutely correct.
Edited by Higuy on Mar 12, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Please Guys,stop arguing!
I knew "experts" like you wont like what we do. This is why i do not expect from every person here to like the map and we do not expect to get praise - this is not our goal! how the hell we supposed to expect for praise if we didn't even made those tags by original? stop comparing us to sphinxbio!.
We didn't even finish working on this map and there is still much to do so you cant say .
If you think all we do is just add a bunch of halo 3 weapons,you`re wrong and i`m tired to prove that to you guys so please just leave us :\.
I don't want to argue with you guys cuz i already know how it goes here.

you are incorrect.

we look down, or at least i do anyway, at people who try to recreate another game in this engine, which is exactly what most of the newer population always trys to do. seeing it pointlessly redone millions of times becomes quite annoying.

I think you just proved his point, Higuy. And if this was my thread, I would tell the other experienced members in this topic to seriously back off.

Ubergoober had no point, he was just randomly bashing me for a post that wasn't even trying to be harmful.

I simply posted my disappointment in how this community just seems to recycle the same old tags over and over and think every time that it's "the best map ever." If you noticed at the end though, I made sure to say that I still approve [to an extent] as long as he's having fun in doing it and not looking for respect or otherwise.

Please, I'm not looking for a fight.

We see, and thanks for clarifying, but Ubergoober does have a point regardless of his bluntness. There's enough negativity around aspiring projects, and to be honest, a post stating the blandness and hopelessness of a project doesn;t need to be posted.
Just trying to keep the stress level low.

The thing about these "projects" though is the person in-charge isn't exactly doing much by himself. What it seems to be now-a-days is just maps with Halo 3 weapons or other ripped weapons put into it.

I don't exactly say these things to discourage people from doing something, but rather motivate them to do something more than what I've said above. Learn a skill and create something you can really be proud of.

These guys are just doing what they can, for fun, don't you think? We can't all be bsp modelers and fp animators like us.

Edited by SlappyThePirate on Mar 12, 2011 at 11:07 PM

basically what odx and i already stated...

Apparently he wasn't reading well enough, because I'm pretty damn sure I've stated over and over:

I'm okay with what they're doing as long as they're having fun and not trying to get respect.


Again, like I've said before though, I'm disappointed they don't learn how to make the content themselves. They'll feel much better being able to take pride in their own work rather than another person's.

Goldkilla88, even if you were a member of this forum for 5 years it doesn't give anyone an automatic free pass to go into a thread and trivialise someones' effort, no matter how major or minor it is according to your opinion and/or experience.
"This map is not worth downloading", I really don't understand?? Why even post this? What are any of you who are posting negativity hoping to achieve? Would ODX, Highguy and Goldkilla88 all be satisfied if Xander92 dropped the project? Actually, how about all less experienced map-makers who are using other peoples tags all drop their projects to satisfy the experienced map-makers? Then when the senior members leave there won't be anyone to take their place and Halo CE is finished.

There is no space here for experienced members to post that, in their opinion, other peoples' effort doesn't count because they didn't use original tags. I believe Halo CE is all about evolution and building on the efforts of others before them so that the quality of Halo CE continues to improve.

Highguy, "we look down, or at least i do anyway, at people who try to recreate another game in this engine, which is exactly what most of the newer population always trys to do. seeing it pointlessly redone millions of times becomes quite annoying." - Maybe this is part of the learning process for new map-makers.
ODX, nice back-pedalling, but you should read your original post, and I am looking for a fight, because I'm tired of reading posts by experienced members with their over inflated ego's putting newer map-makers down in order to establish their superiority in these forums.

Point: Why can't you all just be nice, supportive and helpful?

Xander92, keep up the good work, looking forward to the next update :)
Edited by Ubergoober on Mar 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM

I do understand your point of doing custom stuff. for now,we just want to finish our goals and its to mod some maps into H3 style to be better then all mexican maps so they will be fun playable maps,unlike theirs.
MEANWHILE,im learning how to create my own bsp`s and etc.
after all,doing what we do now,DOES help us to advance in some point.
Thats why i mentioned not only 1 time that the map even not finished and we are working on textures and lightmaps for the bsp.
Edited by Xander92 on Mar 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Honestly, I don't think anyone would actually care if he dropped the project or not, since it's really nothing new. I'd rather not see it gone, but like I said, I don't think many people would honestly care. We don't get satisfaction from people remaking maps and tags, we get satisfaction from people actually trying to create new and exciting things, and practicing, not just editing a map and adding a bunch of tags to it.



lol?

like i stated above, "experienced members" put down mods like this, so we don't see it keep happening. there are perfectly better ways to practice and become a better new map maker then convert a map and put tags in it.

Stop it.
Goldkilla,you dont like h3 mods? get out of this thread.

Again, your post serves no other purpose than to boost your own ego while putting another person down.
Higuy- "We don't get satisfaction from people remaking maps and tags", you assume too much when you post "We", who do you think you speak for or represent?
"like i stated above", referring to your own post doesn't make it gospel.

I know lots of CE players in Australia who play multiplayer maps, have seen Xander92's updates and are looking forward to the final release.

Lumoria is excellent, I enjoy it very much but it doesn't matter how long you've been here or how experienced you are, there is never any excuse to put someones' effort down because it doesn't meet your level of quality or approval, or to boost your ego.

No need or room for negativity in these threads. You don't like it, don't read, don't post and don't download.

Goldkilla88, your attempt to further upset people with your post proves your lack of maturity, you continue to lose credibility with every word you type.

Edited by Ubergoober on Mar 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Guys, you don't really want Dennis to come in here with the lock right? I'd suggest you guys take this to the pm's and discuss more about the map itself, not about what new people do that makes the older members unhappy...

About the map, some FOVs on weapons should be fixed...like the Battle Rifle should be zoomed in a bit more and so does the SMG and the Assault rifle. I could be wrong but to me, it feels right when it's zoomed in some more...kind of like Zigadirasu's Halo 3 Campaign mod.

Zigadirasu's Halo 3 Campaign mod`s FOV was horrible,like the H1 default..
We will see if it will be right to reduce the fov alittle ^^

STOP THIS! ENOUGH!

"Use the criticism to learn" If you've read this whole thread, you'll notice that Xander92 has done extremely well in taking peoples' criticism on board and changed the map accordingly. However, in the last few pages some senior members are being exceptionally rude and negative and it serves no purpose other than to massage their own egos. No excuses here, just facts. Read the thread before you post, you make yourself look foolish.

"A fight? Really? It's not ego, it's the experience. Go do your homework now, and learn what it takes." Obviously it takes a lot of work to produce a map that is 100% original, how can you expect a new member to develop a creation that's 100% original? Don't we learn to walk before we can run?

Your negativity isn't appreciated and your post was pointless, your points were irrelevant to the discussion or have already been covered.
Edited by Ubergoober on Mar 13, 2011 at 03:11 AM

Nobody in this thread is going to change anybody's opinion, so it's best to just drop it.

and this is sad, but true......

Learn what it takes to collaborate with a group of developers to create a new and exciting video game? Learn what it takes to build a map from the ground up using unique and versatile tools?

Or do you mean learn what it takes to create a half-assed model in a pirated version of 3ds max, then fight with a 10 year old program to get it ingame, all to boost your ego on a worthless gaming community? Because that seems what half the community wants to do, regardless of what they might say.

look for your guys fighting about a MAP something even don't exist, is looking a alot of kids, after nobody will respect anyone here and this community will DIE and i dought one guy can make the bsp,weapons model,animation,taging,shader... , thats why is called COMMUNITY.

about the the old menber- just because your know make thing what other can't is not reason to blame them, i read this forum since of 2004 and i know what i talking about , i talk with some "oldmenbers" even they need help of other,and why u make maps is for money? or just for a people say: good work man! , nice one!. and this give your satisfaction and motivation for continue.
if doen't exits "noobs" for give u a "good work" or "PAY" you why you keep modding?.

so if you blame other people job he(she) can never get better with it. think how u feel if someone say your job is bad or "s***"(if your prefer call that).

EDIT:you don't have to be cool and nice all the time sometimes you have to tell the truth,
i a noob i expect a lame sometime because i learming, everyone learm some thing new all the time

I hope not only the old members but every one here understand what i trying to say


Edited by Zigadirasu on Mar 13, 2011 at 04:28 AM

Yep, I agree, everyone just be nice, supportive and helpful, negativity doesn't accomplish anything

Goldkilla,can you please leave this topic?

I dont care. just leave this thread.

I feel that if your going to be negative about something, that you need to back it up with something positive and something that will help improve said persons opinion.

Example:

This map is just another map with Halo 3 Tags that are already out there, however... its the additional things you guys have added to make it feel more than just another Halo 3 Map\mod. I can't really say anything more than that, because i have yet to play this map.

I've been speaking to Xander and Zig for a few weeks now. At first, i thought they were like any other h3 map maker, however, over the past few weeks they have been trying to make something more than just any old Sphinxbio map. I can tell that they're making these maps for fun and not for respect as stated above... However, i respect both of them for what they're trying to accomplish together.

I honestly cant wait to play the final build. Good job with what you've done so far. Keep it up :)

^ this guys dam hell should get a cookie!

i make a video how will look the new update


http://www.xfire.com/video/42e8d1/