@BP I'm sorry most of the Halo CE community hates you, but I like the work so far.

Kindly get your a$$ out of my damn topic.



I'm going to quote this and put out a warning, if this crap continues I'm going to lock this topic and stop work on the campaign, the people working on the campaign are sick to death of this crap. And I'm sick to death of this crap, 3 days in a row I've woken up to flames in one sense or another. If this continues, say goodbye to this topic, and goodbye to me working on this campaign.


Finally someone who can actually use his brain. If we were to make this entire campaign custom, it would take forever. Probably even longer than SpV2.



Just ignore the petty insults, he doesn't understand jack aboutt he gaming industry, let alone creating anything. As for the te3xtures, ok, hopefully we dont have anyone being a complete ignoramus when you post them.

This must have been the most intelligent post in this topic about this issue. This single pargraph is most likely worth more than pages and pages of critiscism and spam/flame before this.

So, to all those people who are severly critiscising and flaming Lone Warrior, BeachParty, and the other campaign members, I hope that this post will make you open your eyes.

I'm not saying that critiscm is bad; its just that you took it to an unreasonable extent.
Edited by Polamee on Apr 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

We will NOT be using the models. Those pictures are only to show off the textures. Do people read anymore?

yes we read the inportant stuff :P

or just the begin of the post :P

The flaming has stopped. By George, I think we've got it!

Now, other than the new floodified skins, how goes the flood BSP, and what else is being worked on? Because of all the flames we haven't heard much about the rest of the campaign.

Enlighten me.

According to Lone Warrior, here's the level plan for d40:

This takes place during the initial infestation of the Pillar of Autumn. As you climb aboard through the airlocks, a small Covenant Spec-Ops detachment awaits you. After clearing them out, you push on, through the maintenance vents, and towards the bridge. Throughout this area, you meet little to no resistance at all, due to the fact that the Covenant aren't aware of the flood threat. Once you get to the bridge, you see a few Covenant extracting data from the Pillar of Autumn's computers (engineers maybe?). A cinematic cutscene ensues, with you and your allies taking control over the bridge. The camera then pans over to some area near engineering, where the second half of the flood assault team is. Since the area is clear, and presumed safe, they begin to build a proto-gravemind. Your next objective is to check the cryo-bays for any suitable hosts. Once you get there, you meet another small Covenant force. However, by now, the Covenant have realized the threat, and have called in reinforcements. When you enter the cryobay, a pair of hunters are waiting for you. With the help of your allies, you kill the hunters (through teamwork). In this area, you will not have access to any weapons that will harm the hunters. Only your allies can kill the hunters, and they have a pair of rocket launchers. You must distract the hunters, while waiting for your allies to kill them. Once the hunters are dead, you receive word that the proto-gravemind is under attack. As you rendezvous with the rest of the assault force, you clear the area of any Covenant. You are then instructed to secure the engine room, and repair it so that the ship can take off, and you can escape Halo. After clearing it from Covenant, a few former crewmen come in, and begin repairing the engines. You are then instructed to fall back to the proto-gravemind, and protect it from further attacks. As soon as you get there, Covenant Spec-Ops forces try to destroy the proto-gravemind, and clear out the engine room, so that the Flood cannot escape. After you clear out most of the covenant, a cinematic runs. You see Spartan-117 run in, kill the rest of the Covenant, and a few of your squad mates, and he shoots you a few times, and run inside to the engine room. The screen then fades to darkness. When you come back to life, you recieve word that he has destroyed the engines, and the Pillar of Autumn is about to be destroyed. You then must escape, and grab a Longsword-fighter docked in the hanger. By now, Covenant forces are closing in, and attempting to repair the engines. After taking a lift to the warthog bay, you see that John has already been through, and the area is littered with dead bodies. Then, you grab one of the warthogs, and drive it towards the Longsword area along with your allies. However, when you get near, in the open area where Foehammer gets shot down, the area foward gets blocked. You must then hold your own for a few minutes, while a comendeered Pelican comes to pick you up. As the pelican flys away, the ship goes supernova. The end cutscene idea is up to Lone Warrior.

^WIP, can and may be changed over time^

Don't forget that if you're going to use engineers, you'll need some kind of death animation. And at several points it says "You are instucted to {task}." How are you planning on doing that?

Objectives.

Yes, but are they just going to pop up, or are you going to have some kind of audio cue letting you know that you have a new objective? (similar to cortana talking)

You're are getting your flood textures wrong, flood isn't all just one shade of throw up brown.



Look at how many different colors are involved in it. In fact, there is hardly any puke color at all. It mainly consists of browns and grays, with the puke color only being used where the infection form is residing.

Also for your models I have one word, bulge. Look below for an explanation.



as you can see, the flood are all about disproportionate body parts and random bulges. when modeling a new flood form, think of it less as a pre existing creature with a disease, and more like an organism with a bigger organism shoved down it's throat that is trying to find room to grow.

Agreed, I've been trying to say that. As for the pics, I still hate those damn models/textures.



Maybe Gravemind speaking to you in some areas.

But there was no gravemind yet, only a proto-gravemind, which is not quite sentient yet.

Windows mobile.... so no pics this post sorry


For the briefing part, we can let audiofragments play at triggerzones, and remember in halo 3, your screen gets a fancy effect when it hears a voice? well i can script something exactly like that. however you know that i'm doing that already all the time, so i thought up of a few fancy screen effects for it, even visions and custom cutscenes (yes we can make that... too long to explain how) i'll post some pics when i worked it out, so we don't have think about that much longer, i'm covering most of the hud if not all i think, anyone volunteer for voice actor?

for the textures, yea i'm trying to analyze the h1 flood textures, how they build that up, but i can't seem to get the right base colour to shade, it always turns out orange or too green... the infection spider uses a different pattern than the rest, i'll post it tommorow, but i'm trying to use as much of the h1 and h2 flood textures to make it as simelar as possible
if someone else here has more experience with flood textures, i'd like some help with that, that would go much faster, some patterns and colour values could do miracles

weird though, i don't recall in the books that the flood got tentacles on their arms, when jenkins (i think) got recaptured by the humans, he gets interrogated and tries to perforate whoever with his bone by snapping his arm... meh nevermind

Actually, Mc never saw a Gravemind, that doesn't mean there wasn't one, after all, MC can only see with the eyes on the front, and back of his head. Not the eyes on the installation.


So yes, grand un-veiling, there will be a Gravemind in the campaign.

E1:


I think I know what you mean by custom cutscenes, I had the same idea :D.

Some good ideas anyway, nice post man.

Edited by Lone Warrior on Apr 14, 2009 at 06:54 PM

Yay I think, well I have the gravemind from halo 2 already in h1 as you know, now we only need to get it to fit somewhere, it's quite big, i tried keeping it the original size

I haz an idea :P

Maybe use him in the first area of the first level as a tutorial? That way you wouldn't really need a new voice actor for the tutorial, just take the crewman's voice and screw with it to make it sound spooky.

Good idea I suppsoe, but probably not in c10/c20 or d40. You'd most likely only see him in either c40, or d20. As they take place after MC has left. Thus allowing us some leniency on where to put him.

E1: Voice actor, emm, I think Myth said he would.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Apr 14, 2009 at 07:02 PM

floodified voice... flood crewman... time to floodify something

btw, can hugaroks be infected? i had an idea, but if they can't then nevermind


i could ask cheerio to floodify voices, i don't know if he's into that anymore, but beside that i also have some voice changer apps i think, that and some manual editing will be interesting

thing is, if he got the time for it, cus we'll probably need lots of different lines for briefing and other fun stuff =P if the flood is connected like hunter worms, then they could communicate that way too perhaps, that would be fun for a change
in the dialogue tags, you can fill all the lines and have something fun while progressing, like covenant, when you bump possess them while fighting marines, they'll say fun things, if the flood would do that through telepathy or so that would be a fun extra... meh just a thought, been watching halo's AI too long, especially grunts
"Fist...rukt....merry christmass"
"...he'll rip our backpacks off, and humps us with his demony butches! -we deserve it! hahaha!"
"good thing that the starship got some food nipples waiting there for me, 'cus man, do i have a big, crunchy, thirst!"


oh and, why would the h2 elite flood have a partly blue skin? maybe because of their blue blood? the humans got a bit of a blush there too so maybe the blood colour plays a role in flood skins... elites have blue blood like lobsters, since they don't have Ferrum 2+ in their blood but Cuprum wich colours blue when it comes in contact with oxygen, thus explaining why the elite skin in h2 has a different colour more than the humans, since the hemoglobyne stays the same colour in and outside of the body, plus the skin of the humans have a tint that is more simelar to the flood than the elites do
no comments on grunts, they're just weird, lol
Edited by BeachParty clan on Apr 14, 2009 at 07:23 PM

Lobsters have colourless blood, don't they?

I suppose I could try the voices, but I'll have to fix the problem where it records some white noise in the background as well.

Use wavepad. They got a noise canceling effect.

When you get a new objective from the gravemind, you could do the gravemind momemt effect while playing the sound of a flood screech, followed by the instruction coming out as text. This would save voice acting and emphasise strongly on the flood's telepathy.

Do you use color palettes to get the colors?

use 1 layer of toilet paper (like, strap some 3layers luxery) that really helps with the background noise and the breathing, i use it for all my machinima's

Gravemind will talk, and the gravemind effect will be implemented, sort of like he's talking to you specifically. We have a few ideas on why he's talking to you specifically, but for now, we need to finalise those ideas. And the instruction does not come out as a text unless subtitles are on, you will hear Gravemind speak properly similar to Halo3.

Can has wierd objective indicator visual effects, mb?

for a microphone wind screen, try some cotton, or something similar to what you see the pros use, the squishy black foam ball stuff on a microphone, that might make an even better wind screen than tp. Or not. Just an idea

yep it was a gravemind in progress that had lots of marines in it and keyes(weird, no elites)

No. The reason that proto-gravemind was built was so that they could take over the Truth and Reconciliation, and escape Halo. They needed Keyes, because he had the best knowledge of flying ships. They did throw in a few Covenant engineers as well. However, we're talking about a different proto-gravemind, with a different task. This one's objective is to take over the Pillar of Autumn, and establish a command structure so that they could then become organized. That means that it may be made up of different beings, especially those with good commanding skills.

Was bored:
BEFORE LOOKING BELOW:
I was bored. I am just posting this to see your reaction. There is a 99% chance these will NOT be used. Also, before you say it:
I am NOT trying to rip off CMT.

In the case that we do use it, I have written a backstory to explain them.

Before everyone goes "OMG FLOOD SENTIINELS IT R NO POSSIBLE CUZ THEY NON-SQUISHY CREATURES", I have an explanation which
you should read first. Then you can go "OMG FLOOD SENTINELS R NO POSSIBLE AND I'M TOTALLY IGNORING GAMMA'S POST CUZ I'M TRYIG TO B COOL".

After the Forerunner-Flood war, the flood were contained, and many of the Forerunner's creations fell into disuse.
Without the constant threat of the Flood, most of the Sentinels on Installation 4 were deactivated to conserve power.
They were still deactivated when Covenant forces released the flood on accident. Although the Monitor tried his best
to activate as many as he could, several platoons stayed dormant. During one of the Flood's scouting party's for
a way off of the ring, a squad of Flood ran into the dormant Sentinels. Since they needed extra firepower to break
through the Covenant' heavily defended ships, they decided to capture the sentinels. Several Flood Spores were
deposited on the Sentinels, and grew into the flood blobs. With a little tampering to the circuitry of the Sentinels,
the now "flentinels" came under the control of the Flood. However, in order to allow the flood to take control of the
sentinel, several key systems had to be disabled, namely the weapon systems. The flood improvised, and use these as
suicide bombers instead, because of the Sentinel's violate reaction to plasma and human weapons.

Edited by Gamma927 on Apr 15, 2009 at 06:57 PM

I laughed so hard at this. Interesting backstory though.

According to Lone Warrior, he wants them to incubate infection forms as well. So that means that the model will be fatter, and the story will have to change. Modified story:

After the flood took over the sentinels (read first story on how they did), they realized the advantages to being able to bring infection forms anywhere, anytime. Their carrier forms were limited in the respect that they couldn't fly. So, the flood turned to the only flying creatures they had at their disposal, the flentinels. They were modified to grow and incubate flood infection forms. The flentinels were a good choice for an incubator, because their exhaust combined with the flood matter make a warm and slimy growing area for the infection forms. Because of these good conditions, infection forms were often created at a faster pace than normal. When the flentinel had to be used for suicide bombing purposes, the infection forms inside were often infection-ready, and could be ejected safely.

Ha, reminds me of a concept I had tried to create a long time ago, called it the Senti-Flood (bad name, right?) Basically, it was pieces of a destroyed sentinel, and extra non-usable flood biomass, combined into a bipedal form. It could still use the sentinel beam, too. It was going to have custom animations, but I couldn't be bothered to create an entire animation set. I'd post pics but I wouldn't want to thread-jack.
Edited by delta49 on Apr 15, 2009 at 08:45 PM