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There is a difference between gravemind and proto-gravemind.

I'm not even going to try to argue further, seeing as I have no idea what the plot really is ><
Edited by Mythril on Apr 18, 2009 at 07:45 AM

Quote: --- Original message by: Newbkilla
Wow, lovely job. That looks great. We need new bitmaps for though.

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One question
why would you need a crewman? all the crewman on the POA were captured or killed by the covenant

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We need dead bodies. And lots of blood. When you first enter the PoA, you'll be greeted by a bunch of dead bodies. And thanks to my experiment, Project Reclaim, I am now familiar with d40's BSPs. They might be loosely related, but I'm trying to make the overall levels very different.

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Are the bodies going to be able to be infected dynamically No, or is it scripted Yes. 'cause I think the first one would be almost impossible, but the second one not so impossible.

Another thing: this whole campaign is built on wobbly ground. The way you have it planned out, from what I read at the beginning, is to have the gameplay be much like regular Halo. However, this is problematic because the MC's way of fighting is almost the exact opposite of the Flood. You plan to clean out whole rooms with only a few teammates, but the way the flood play it against the MC is, well, flooding rooms with combat and infection forms. And thats exactly the way it'll be.

I think it would be cool though to have your control bounce around. basically, you would have a lot of teammates, but they would not do much. Then when you die you switch to another form. When you run out of allies, then you die and restart. This would be balanced and not too easy because your allies would die rather quickly, as well as yourself. You would be far from invincible. Not possible.

Also, the more you kill the more allies you get. Infection forms infect some of your kills on the spot. Infection forms would hang behind and you would receive amounts of them at certain spots like holes in the ceiling and wall and well as ducts and stuff.

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I think it is possible. Have an encounter of bump-able allies, and when your health becomes as low as possible without dying AND the encounter is not empty, then you bump to a random AI and your previous body dies.

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ok, then do something a bit more complex. Remove the biped and replace it with the player, refilling health and change the weapons. That should work in the basics, if not the more complex stuff.

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would it be possible to simulate an array? I think it could work. Might be a bit hard, because scripting is clumsy for that kind of stuff.

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meh i'm back too, i didn't have the time to log on earlier

but for the updates: i'm almost done with the halo 3 marine, i just need to texture it. for the crewman, yea i'll make some gore models, i miss gibbing in halo other than the flood does, so it'll be fun


oh and remember the flood scenery i converted from halo 2? well fun thing, i hate boring always the same parts, it has to be a bit like L4D, always different, so i'm making for all the scenery variants wherever possible, for the floodbiomass in that ship in halo 2 whateverthenamewas i made 12 variants and 1 empty model, this means, just place 1 scenery, and every time you play the level, it will look different

i'm doing this for the doors, the vehicles (well only the textures) and FP weapons (again, to not screw anything up only the textures) so everything, as much as possible, is going to spawn randomly and different to avoid boring and hey-i-remember-that-from-earlier-this-level moments

for the flood models.... i'm going to stop making that The Human Flood was good, just needed some work., i never made those before and it's just all flames and hate anyways, someone else can take over the flood player models
i'll just stick to what i'm good at, just the non abstract forms like humans and lotsa scenery

hud update, i made a new overlay and finished the bitmaps for the 'vision' briefing moments, i have to test my script if it won't fry itself, but if this works then i'll have a animated hud moment

talking about animating huds, i animated most of the hud too, so the health meter and stuff is Dripping gore etc, i didn't knew it was possible but i thought of how to when i was bored to hell
not much use to post pics about something to show off the animated part, so i'll post a vid when i can, don't count on it soon >.>

for the rest, i'm also doing Command & Conquer conversions and still the 2 H3 projects, so the updates will come a bit later than usual
Edited by BeachParty clan on Apr 21, 2009 at 04:30 AM

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New Idea! (if it's possible)
you could start off as an infection form and have to work your way up to a felite by infecting bodies and use bump possesion to take control of them. And you couldscript it so that your old bodie dies when you take control

not sure if this is possible im a bit of an amatuer at scripting so please dont criticise me for posting an idea

Quote: --- Original message by: RougeSpartan414
Or you can play as one of the Elites and try to survive as long as possible, but not for an extremely long time.

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That cutscene sounds rather cheesy to me. It should be much more dramatic than that.
For example: you could have the first elite go and check out the sound, and then you hear a large explosion and several elite cries...

Sure it's a bit more effort, but it'd surely make the player feel some kind of grief. It's moments like that you should aim for.
Edited by L0d3x on Apr 21, 2009 at 06:54 PM

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But it's a Flood Campaign.

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When you die you start the level.

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Ok, lets get this straight. Halo Script =/= Coding. It may seem similar, but it does not have the same capabilities of any advanced programming language.

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alright, well let me eleborate my custom cutscenes idea that also could solve this infecting idea


for a custom cutscene, you need to make a custom animation graph that you trigger through scripts, now here's the thing: you make a scenery with every possible biped and finish the texturing on it and stuff, set it up completely, make a sorta template

then, you make animations, just animate the cutscene and forget the sounds that we'll add in ingame afterwards. every biped or part you don't want onscreen, animate it off the screen.

every cutscene has to be exported as jma ofcourse, i have no idea how to do that in 3ds max 2009 because blitzkrieg doesn't work for it and there is no bluestreak script to export your own animations. Yes I was thinking of this, but we need some confirmation on whether its possible. My idea involved stringing idle and death anims together though.

now i explained that, wich is just possible, period, we can move on to the infecting:

infection forms are fried on shield contact, use that, in the stories the infection forms penetrate it and infect: when they contact, let the damage be that big that both dies, i don't care how, it's possible that's what's important. on dead, check the flag on the biped tag "destroyed after dieing" then place our custom cutscene biped on it, and trigger the animation of it where one is being infected, just make some flood biomass, and animate it so it envelops the elite totally, then animate it off the screen and put the flood elite in the biomass. the biomass shrinks leaving that elite, now make a sudden movement with it so that the transition between cutscene elite and final elite won't be noticable
you can call up animations with seats, or whatever you prefer, if only seats and you run out of seats just copy the cutscene biped template and give it a new anim graph, not that difficult except for some dumbasses here, so i'm just mentioning it already This is what we were going to do, and how we were going to do it. You miss a lot when your not on xfire lol.

voila, infecting and custom cutscenes in a nutshell.

it IS possible, i've done that before for an old map wich could be on halomaps i'm not sure, if someone should remember it, it's where MC wrestles with and elite at the end and they both rolled off a cliff, yea it was cheesy i know but the idea worked, that's the important part

can i haz cooky noaw? i'll post the progress on the halo 3 marine this afternoon, i didn't got the time to make a rendering, it's still WIP but most of it is done


about the jumping over to your fellow flood teammates, i don't really like that idea, it just kills the idea of you being a flood, it would make it feel like you were gravemind himself controlling each individual one if he pleases and makes you practically invincible instead of just one of the flood soldiers experiencing the whole thing


and that elite cutscene, you could make a wave of infection forms crawling all over the elite and obscuring the view on him, the other elite fires on them, shifting the view away, and then back where all the infection forms run away and leave a flood elite behind, we don't even need custom cutscenes for it, just some nifty placed AI markers



Correct, and that is all we need to know, scripts are no magic tricks, and i pity the ones that think it is and truly believe they can use it as basic for future programming =P
it's still good enough to trigger your own content with it though, so let's stop doubting the magic of scripts and focus on the matter at hand, we have to finish the basic content before we go deeper in the details Yep
Edited by BeachParty clan on Apr 24, 2009 at 03:53 AM

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Which will not fit into what we want. In the beginning, why would we want the player to sympathize with elites, that they know for certain will die? There's also the matter of cheat_deathless_player, and some players may not want to die... We won't be using this idea.