Somewhat Halo CE related but just a simple question: Why do people call ripping bad?( I know what it means, just wondering why it's bad)

Because it's unoriginal.

No one learns anything, because they already see "Oh, we have lots of cool tags! Yay!" so we get no new weapon modelers or any skinners.

And again, it's unoriginal and boring to just copy another game. There's no innovation or fun out of something I've already played around with plenty of times before and in a much better environment (the actual game it came from).

its not bad, its just an opinion. but it is kind of rude if you rip w/ out permission

theres 2 kind of ripping, Ripping content from people here and other Games

Ask before you rip somthing from some ones map, but go ahead and rip From a game if you want. Like maybe Star Wars Battle Front ... it just an example or is it?

Ripping from other games: I expect you need to learn how to actually get it ingame so yea. Its just not click and its ingame !

Ripping from CE:I learned everything I know about Guerilla by ripping... it teaches you alot. Good way to learn but pissy people get pissy
Edited by KappaLocust on Jul 14, 2010 at 12:28 AM

once a month a thread exactly like this is started, and then locked and therefore i shall leave with this comment

IN BEFORE LOCK

Your inferior opinion about ripping ODX is a shame. You animate with rips you dummy.

I had ribs with hot bbq sauce last night, imo they're great, but not in a Tony The Tiger way.

I see, lol k thnx for your opinions...I was just about to ask for permission from a guy to rip something lol.

But what if Bungie did really make bbq sauce, i wonder what it would be like.

Why you wanna top it off with real-time SHADOWS??? Huh huh? (off-topic)

I wouldn't necessarily say ripping is bad, I'd say it's not as creative as making original stuff. Being able to create a concept from the ground up is admirable. But when it comes to modding, especially Halo, who cares, honestly? It's not like we don't have an overflow of Halo 3 remakes as it is.

Who knows, you could be the next guy to create a model of a Halo 3 Assault Rifle, something NOBODY'S ever done before. ever.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jul 14, 2010 at 02:16 AM

@marka

martyn lee ball\hunter did i think

How many damn times I gotta say? Because there was nothing else to animate, and the things for Sandtrap don't have custom models so I'm stuck doing Halo 3 ones.

Mainly I was doing them out of boredom too, not because it was "OMG HALO 3 MODELZ."
Edited by ODX on Jul 14, 2010 at 02:59 AM

D:<

I only ripped the textures. And sounds.

Edited by Koo294 on Jul 14, 2010 at 03:44 AM

lol u do not want to let one rip if u catch my drift :D /offtopic


lol ive ripped it all thats how i learned how to use guerilla

Every other effing day this thread is created with an almost identical title.

Dennis, you might want to reconsider who you banned.

There are several kinds of ripping. One is from actual games. That is usually ok with everyone , unless it causes copyright infringement. The other is from protected content people release , which usually means that they want to keep it exclusive. When people rip from that , it causes anger. Another is from unprotected content. This indicates that people either don't care if you rip or not , or can't , or are not bothered with protecting. (May cause some anger)

The discussion of ripping is a valid subject as long as it is a discussion and not a mindless name calling fest. There are various opinions and discussing them can help open the minds of others. When you discuss things you have to find logical and thought out ways to express why you feel as you do about the subject and in doing so you can either question or strengthen your or their opinion. Keep it as discussion and it is fine.


My approach and opinion to the idea of “ripping” is based on the current Intellectual Property and copyright laws which state that you cannot own or copyright anything to do with Halo regardless of whether you made it or not. Microsoft/Bungie owns the rights to it by the nature of the copyright. You can possess it but you have no legal rights to own it. This is the concept that people can’t seem to grasp. Just because you made the model/tag/map does not mean you own it. So once you place it into the public domain you no longer have any means legal or otherwise of enforcing your will on it or its uses.

Extracting assets from other games, Halo 2 &3, Zelda, Call of Duty…etc is technically a violation of the copyright however it is not always, although it could be, enforced by the copyright owners mainly because there is a benefit for brand name recognition when those assets are used in other games. This then becomes a “grey” area where legally the copyright owner can force people to stop but they don’t. This grey area exists because copyright laws are not criminal laws with strict right and wrong but civil laws where it is about protecting actual and potential profit of the copyright holder. Things can get muddy when it comes to profit.

So what has this got to do with ripping you ask? Simple: Since the copyright holders don’t always prevent it, which is different than “allowing it”, I see no issue with reusing or “ripping” assets to use in the game. You should credit the original creator and not claim it as your work other than the work of “ripping” it but otherwise using it in my opinion is fine.

Those that make new “user created” content for copyrighted material have to come to grips with the reality of the law in that their creation is not protected, legally is not theirs and they cannot enforce their will on its use. Once they do so they can then decide if the bragging rights to the creation outweigh the fact that they cannot prevent people from using it in ways they may not wish.

Also you have to remember that no matter how passionate you feel about it: this is still just a game.

I don't know how many times we can possibly stress this.

You are not getting paid by anyone.
You are not under the watch of any potential employers.
You are in a community of fellow mappers and modders each with different skills in various arts who are modding the game for what I hope to be: fun.

I myself, welcome anyone to use anything I've released (which hasn't been much yet...). If someone 'steals' my credit, they will simply lose my respect. And besides, all the people whose opinions I care about, already know it is my work and not theirs, so what do I have to worry about?

If someone goes praising that person who 'stole' credit, then so be it. I don't care for what they think so I don't care for what they say.

he ANIMATES,he doesn't rip at all,he just needs some custom stuff to animate...

Wow, thnx Dennis :D

agreed and thats why im giving you snowy_creek xD because ur just going to rip the bsp if i protect it. so then u will have 3 sali_creeks :/

anyways ripping is frowned upon the communitie but most of the time the community is greedy.

put that on a gold plaque and hang it from a wall.

Then respect what I do with rips, it's for my enjoyment sir. Yet you bashed me on telling you I was gonna release my h3 spartans as soon as I get a shader thats good enough to everybody.

I would like to bring up the little chat log about your hiss fit about rips and me with it but stop taking 2 sides about this subject.


Your missing the whole point. He is using rips. It does NOT matter at all if he isn't ripping, he is using rips. Also he refuses to animate stuff from fpsbanna because he likes halo stuff which is fine.

Yet I would love to bring out the chat o' logs about h3 stuff back in the day when people wanted and even almost now and now hate rips.

Saying you agree and bash people about rips at the same time is just no. I learned quite a few things off it by uvw unwrapping and rigging bipeds.
Edited by Spartan_094 on Jul 14, 2010 at 03:32 PM

He isnt using them,the one who he is animating for is...and it doesnt mean you cant use custom halo models....

Stop fighting over ridiculous internet drama. What are you, girls?

I don't look down on ripping, just as long they had permission to use and credit, or if it's a public release with credit.

Why are you telling me that we are replacing the h1 weapons teh lag animated for the elite with h3?


I do h3 ports to ce, release it later. Finished.

Edited by Spartan_094 on Jul 14, 2010 at 04:40 PM

No, you are missing the point. So what if I'm animating with ripped content? I want variety, and I can't just always animate Sigma or CMT stuff, or use their rigs or Halo 1. I would be bored, have nothing to do. And besides, I don't release those weapons anyway, they are solely for my own benefit and practice.
I never exactly said I 'refuse' to animate them, but rather I prefer Halo weapons over real weapons. Plus when I do FPS weapons, all I get are CS:S idiots annoying me for the link to download it, etc.
Yes, you can learn things from ripping as well as copying (probably the best way to begin animating, actually) but after a while you really should stop and move on to new things, do stuff yourself and gain more respect.

You haven't done that, so the only respect you get is from people who think you're 'cool' for ripping and getting 'nice looking stuff' in-game. You have little to none from any higher members such as myself and people like Zteam.

Your high-horse, I'm-helping-the-community Robin Hood attitude is really getting on all of our nerves as well.

I personally don't care that you rip. It is the fact that that is ALL you CAN do.

Spartan 094 is a good example of ripping. It is the only thing he can do, as there is little skill involved. All that is needed is a program which does it for you, oh, and before Spartan attempts to correct me, there is a tiny bit of code which might need to be changed.

Rips, are generally what ODX said. Unorigional, and no skill invlolved in recreating them. I get cursed at for copying Halo things, but at least I REMAKE them, and now TAKE them. Rippers just use programs made for them to rip from games.

On the other hand, some rips can be good, such as CtrlAltDestroy, as he actually modifies the rips to make them MUCH better. Most people basically get the rips and stick them ingame without making efford to make the stuff look good for the older engine.

Eh, cant be bothered type more, lets see some funny posts from people like Spartan . . .

Umad?


That's what you seen me do. I'm not in any team or for any reason AT all. I can uvw unwrap and rig bipeds and thats what I can basically do for any team.

Also can you be hating anymore? Exactly what dennis wanted to see, good job odx. Atleast hunters post was better then yours.


Oh


Modding the game is for my enjoyment to convert. Yet your bashing me. Your post refers to everybody.

Also whose "nerves" do you speak of? You and 3 other people? Haha.

Oh and I know your gonna have your little pms hiss fit over my post and do a wall-of-text with your bullcrap excuses. Your acting like your on your high horse. Just remember how you got better at animating with what you worked with in the past and now.
Edited by Spartan_094 on Jul 14, 2010 at 08:10 PM

Spartan, it's not the fact that you rip, it's the attitude. Reminds me of BeachParty tbh.

I can only Texture? So your gonna get mad at everyone who can only do one thing? Wow that is the most Immature thing ive heard of. Just cause not everyone can model animate and all that jazz does not mean they are inferior no lie Hunter but you are the one reason why people leave this community cause of people like you. Some people cant do stuff. i'd love to model but i have no artistic capabilities what so ever.

Theres about 5+ teams in CE that just rip from Halo 3. Yup. Its true.

Ripping is sooo cool