RIPPING IS GOOD BECAUSE RIPS LOOK BETTER THAN ANYTHING ANYONE HERE CAN MAKE!

People don't try to make anything that looks better because they have rips.

and these rips will look better then anything they make so why try

Sigh.

I thought I ended this discussion long ago.

Apparently war never changes on these forums. It's always "RIPPING IS BAD" and "NO RIPPING IS GOOD" etc etc

Why is it people can be so thick? Let me tell both sides how it is.

For the non-rippers, have you ANY idea whatsoever how hard it can be to rip an asset from another video game? You have to know reverse engineering, which might take quite a bit to fully grasp, then you have to understand the model/bitmap format, which might take longer if no resource is available/made public. THEN, you have to make your own extractor, if there are none available/made public. It takes TONS and TONS of effort and work to fully understand how a video game works, and to extract something from it is the fruit of your labor.

For the rippers, you must realize that ripping something does not make it your own. It is not your creation, you extracted it from another game. What these people are complaining about is because for them they take their time creating something from their ideas. While you just take the "easy" way out in their eyes.

Both sides have legitimate reasons, but I for one am quite sick of all this ranting/flaming going around in this god forsaken community (The HCE community, ALL of it as a whole)

That is all I am going to say. If this discussion EVER comes back, you will see this post once again.

This has been posted at least 2 times already.

Why try? Trying is better then a rip anytime. Even though a rip is nice looking it dosent help you at all in the long term when you try to make your own crap. That is, unless your going to just practicing tagging. Otherwise, there is really no other excuses.

You realize...Bungie is a highly respected and highly professional game company with people having at least (I believe) 3+ years experience in their field of expertise?

And the fact they created Halo itself and know how to do it best and have been doing so for the past 10 years?

Whether you're trolling terribly or not, there's my response.

I somehow completely agree with ODX's post a while back, despite my intense, burning hatred for the man. Shame it's buried in a page of flame.

why is this thread still going after all the flames

Go rip, have fun

Because it has mostly been a civil discussion with only a few personal attacks. I have been closely watching this thread to keep it on track so to keep it going precisely because it is a polarizing topic. When you can calmly and rationally discuss emotional topics like this it can better help you understand your position on it. This is the adult way to do things.

i really don't see the problem with ripping, to an extent if you don't have the knowledge or the software to animate or model yourself you should be allowed to rip from unprotected maps but ripping for any other reason i have a problem with

i still have no idea how to convert .jms to a gbxmodel but i don't rip anymore

technically I did contribute at the bottom of my post. /excuse

I haven't really said anything so far because I feel like my view has already been said.

As said before, this IS JUST A GAME! If someone wants to rip, then let them rip.

It doesn't matter if they flaunt and brag about their rips. We know its a rip, if a ripper is trying to impress us then they fail.

Ripping is something that's always going to happen, we shouldn't go ballistic over it cause its a stupid thing to feel strongly about. Yes I just called half the community stupid in this area.

I mean really? I know we want the people to learn things, but if they would rather rip than make something themselves, then its THEIR choice. We mod Halo cause we find it fun. Trust me, the instant I find Halo boring I'll stop. Do what you find fun, and let them do what they find fun. Its not a big deal.

Yes it might not be they're stuff, but whatever. It may even be your stuff that they're showing off. As I said before, most of the people here know they didn't make it. People aren't(always) stupid. If a ripper pisses you off and makes it so that you can't enjoy modding Halo, then leave. If it isn't fun then don't stay here. If you can't stand rippping, then don't make tags for Halo.

Its that simple, If you can't enjoy halo because of it then go.
If they aren't breaking the law then don't tell other people how to enjoy their game.

I understand how Halomaps has been for quite a while. There have been people ripping tags from maps left and right, so others decide to create even more complicated ways to protect and hide the tags in order to prevent others from taking them without permission.

I noticed that CMT protected their tags by some sort of a new method that no one else seems to know how to figure out, which may be a beneficial way for them I guess.

Sometimes threads get hashed out based on the subject or what is presented. Spam and such is an example of what has been going on in some threads. :/

Unfortunately most of the community doesn't seem to realize such a simple point, and tends to go on and on whining to that person who is ripping etc etc.

Hmm....

Presidents Abraham once said" A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Now I say "A community divided cannot stand."

Well, that obviously partly false. This forum stand and community strong some how. Maybe its because we love this game or something else.

Regarding this I really don't care about protection or a ripping. Though I do rip maps; but I never release them or at least I inculded the creator of his's tags in the readme.
Edited by RevolutionaryCaptain on Jul 19, 2010 at 12:06 AM

i have the feeling dennis is gonna drop the thread lock bomb

a ten year old game that any serious modder/developer would laugh at at this point, considering the much better options of modable engines
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jul 19, 2010 at 02:11 AM

I am going to quote this again, because most of seem to have some sort of reading disability (among other kinds of disabilities)

Now I made the post bigger and gave it a red color because I read preteens are more likely to pay attention to something if its color coded and bigger.

If any of you have anything else you want to say, don't, because there is nothing else to say. Anything else you do say is wrong and will make you look dumb, and no one wants to look dumb do they? (except half the people in this thread apparently) (inb4 someone quotes this post and adds INCLUDING YOU LOL)

Now you might be all thinking "gee whiz gwunty, why do YOU care"
I don't, its two am in the morning and half my friends are passed out on the couch ( and one on the stairs) and due to me being the designated driver of the night, I was unable to join the festivities and am now posting on this forum because im board.

but no one cares and I made my point, so goodnight.

People think ripping is good or bad , now we can get on with our lives.

Its your choice to believe what ever you want.

Pick a side. But rember us Rippers have Cookies :D

Us non-rippers have waffles.

Us rippers have the cake from Portal

That you ripped from portal.

Us non-rippers can make any awesome food you want from scratch.

I'm a non-ripper and I can make wine out of my and other people's pee.

besides Rippers can just rip whatever food you make so in the end we all has cake <3

But you can't get any food that you can't rip.

We can make any food YOU want rather than what you can get.

yeah but when you make food some times it gets burned. but when you rip perfectly made food it dosnt get burned and looks good.

That changes nothing.

Non-rippers can make the food you want, and if you become a non-ripper. You can make the food YOU want and have it be exactly how YOU want it rather than being limited to preset combinations of food that you steal from others.

lmao^^ I lol'd, I love the way you worded that..

It is only ok to rip original work with permission or at least credit.

/thread

It's just not the food the way you originally wanted.