wow dude i really love what you're doing, can't wait to see more updates! :)

Im loving the progress here, i must admit your modeling is getting better. I like the whole beam concept, but i think the texture on the peice that actually shoots the beam should be different, it looks out of place

well yeah i improved my modeling skills a bit, but that wasn't the problem, the problem before was the lack of imagination and planning on what i wanted to do (proof is the blue base from "imposing" i actually had a clear idea of what i wanted to do and well, that was the result).

Right now i have a better idea in my mind on how to create forerunner structures, i find it easier to create shapes, and when i can't think of something i watch halo pics and i even take an screenshot of the terrain, move it to photoshop and draw shapes to see what might fit to the terrain and map in particular.

In the past i used to just create a box and then i moved vertices, extruded, chamfered, and used inset around, sometimes even randomly, so in other words, i always improvised in previous maps, and well... that's not the way to do it, is it? lol


Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Well i'm glad you have improved on that :)
may i suggest you get a notebook or just a piece of paper and draw concept art of the map, that way you get an even better idea of what you want to create on both terrain and architecture ;)

Adding on to what Dsali said, in the last couple pictures I can see a terrain ramp that has far to many polygons and also is on too much of an angle.

haha yeah i will xP

oh and you mean this ramp? (if so, well i don't really care about it's angle since it won't be used for anything but decoration


Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

full credit to u ChBgt909 for ur handling of criticism and for ur map progression. keep up the good work, and although u may consider the opinions of others please dont b swayed from ur own style :)

Hmm, mayhaps an idea for the skybox is to use the 'Reclamation' sky tag.

I swear by the good-golliness-gracious of BIS that that tag is the sexiest sky I have ever seen.

Or an idea I suggested for your previous map, was to have a forerunner 'spire' going up, which may connect to the 'ceiling' of a shield world and serve as a structure of some sort; maybe a support spire, maybe a power plant.

Or one of those forerunner sentry-towers from Halo 4, in the misison where you fly the pelican.

oh i'm glad you like it :)
and yeah i am taking other's opinions, but there were a couple of things that i really didn't want to do (adding ramps in red base leading to the banshee room and making an observatory from the top of the map like silent jacket said), but there were others that i did (improving cliff walls, adding light effects and adding details to blue base, like higuy and maniac1000 suggested)



Hmm, how this "Reclamation" sky tag looks like?, i haven't seen it (i think)
oh and i was actually planning to add the sentry towers from halo 4 or maybe the forerunner ships from Halo wars, floating nearby

And now, well i found this structure i made a while back and i though it'd look good on this map, what do you guys think?




Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

I like it, but it seems pretty constrained. I wonder if putting an opening at the top (like in blood gulch) would even things up a bit. Keep in mind that snipers can camp on the outside, but players can also camp on the inside if there are only two openings. Also, adding in two mini-bases is pushing it. Perhaps moving one to the middle and making it a king of the hill objective would allow for more gameplay options. rather than have the map wholly devoted to CTF.

Guys, take your time to read the whole post to avoid asking things i already mentioned.




Well, tbh, i want to add those structure, not because i want move cover for players or camping spots, but for decoration and maybe a couple of weapons to spawn, and yeah i think i know what vehicles i want to use and i have a good idea of what i'm gonna give each team to counter attack





yes, camping can go both ways, from either in or out of the bases, that's why each team will have their own stuff.

red team for example, will have a human turret and a wider area to respawn, to make it up for their lack of space in the base, and of course, i still have to add cover, like rocks, trees, etc.

blue team wont have any turrets as they have plenty of cover.

i haven't finished with this map, i still have to add many things to even things up for each gameplay.

besides, i still have to add two more structures, tunnels that will be like shortcuts, they can either help you flee from an attack, or flank the enemy

in that case, blue team will always have an advantage since they can use the turret against the red, while the red can't use the blue's cover any better than the blues themselves.

get rid of the tiering, it just creates a choke point

the turret will be on red team area, so red team can take it faster and get rid of whoever takes it
reds can use blue structure's cover in their advantage to take out blues

there will be balance, i still have to add cover, weapons, vehicles, and player clips, all that combined will give balance to both teams, i have everything in order and figured out

dude, don't worry i'm not even finished... i haven't even get this map into sapien, everything will be fine i promise ;-)
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 22, 2013 at 07:17 PM

how about adding a giant boulder on the bsp, to block a direct view to red base?
that'd even things up

Something I quickly noticed.

Position 1 has an advantage over position 2. One base gets secluded, the other, not so much.

very good. can be used for Project Lumoria Episode 2 BSP?

Hmm, in position 2, remember that cliff wall is a cave, so in position 2 red base is also exposed from that area, hmm, i can cover red base from attacks coming from that position with the things i still have to add, and i think with blue, the structure, rocks and trees will suffice...
both teams got cover and can counterattack snipers, but snipers can be really sneaky...
i think i will leave it like that, both teams will have sniper rifles, vehicles so yeah, and that natural bridge won't have as much cover






WAT?
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM

hmm, well i think you should leave it like that, adding too many stuff in order to just cover the bases wouldn't be a good idea

Read this part, it's a bit important

Yeah i know, and to be honest, when i was building the map i wasn't really thinking about sniper combat, but vehicle, short range, mid range and heavy weaponry...
i think the best way to go is either scrap sniper rifles from this map, but i don't know if people will like that idea lol, or limit it's availability by putting just one rifle in each base and no more
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM

i agree with you second option, limit the amount of sniper rifles in the map, just put one on each base, and that's it, that way, player's sniper ammo will be limited and the distance between the bases and the middle area is long so not many people will even bother on using it, and the enemy has time to reach the mid area and kill potential snipers camping there

Give the sniper rifles a very long spawn time, i think all maps spawn sniper rifles too quickly.

How about snipers with limited ammo.

all snipers have limited ammo.

I meant something like a sniper with no spare clips. Also the new changes look great.

hmm well i like the idea of reducing the max amount of ammo, instead of 24
clips, use just 10

I don't really think it's that big of a deal. Sure, the sniper could really do some damage, but then again you also have to be GOOD with it to actually rack up some kills. Put it at the main bases on either end of the map, that way you have to walk pretty far before you can get a clear shot, and travel back to your base if you need to get more ammo. This way any players pinned down have several seconds to run somewhere else on the map and the sniper isn't so easy to get.

Hay man can i use you beem in my map i have proper use for it! on a base im making,
will be happy to show you some pictures of it!

BTW this map looks epic!
Edited by jackrabbit on Mar 26, 2013 at 04:09 AM

Hi, just checking my thread hehe
Well, i agreed to send you the weapons, and some vehicles, and objects
but, when it comes to bsp i usually say no, i'm sorry but it is my time spent and effort so yeah, sorry
send me the pics of you map and i will think about sending you the raw structure (no mapping or textures version)
i will send you the map with the tags the next week, i'm not working in my map at all this week
Edited by ChBgt909 on Mar 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM

alrighty~thanks i sent you some previews!
sory about that last link you will have to copy pase it to see the new base.

aslo question. i see in your first picture you have white bitmap with stencle on it under your bsp.

if you could show me how you got started geting your shape of you bsp from that bitmap. I would love to learn this.

I have alredy watched all the videos on halomaps. maping tutorials But I have never seen someone draw black lines like that and get shapes from them. not sure if you used loft or displace tool's? but im intrested to see how you started this? if you get the time to show that would be sweet!

If you so happen to start a new bsp or something maby you could make a small video. of it just the start from the bitmap to the bsp start.

I know I ask for alot but you have imresed me! lol!
I am always looking to improve my modling skills. and you deffenetly have skill!

Edit:Hear are some better pictures updated with the work I got done today!

Edited by jackrabbit on Mar 27, 2013 at 05:27 AM

2 SRS99's per team. With 8 round ammo. That seems fair enough.

People usually clutch there power weapon and die before using it. I dont think you should make super long spawn times just a 30 seconds more than the original.

Keep the sniping rifles far apart from each-other. :D
Edited by ASCENDANTJUSTICE on Mar 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM