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Author	Topic: Halo 3 Foundry Port WIP by Jesse & Sali (915 messages, Page 7 of 27)
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Jesse Joined: Jan 18, 2009 Discord: Holy Crust#4500	Posted: Jan 27, 2013 09:13 PM Msg. 211 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: XlzQwerty1 Upload corruption? Get on Xfire and I'll send it to you.

killzone64 Joined: Jun 9, 2010 sometimes i miss the chaos occasionally	Posted: Jan 27, 2013 09:14 PM Msg. 212 of 915 upload the required tags to someone you trust and have them compile it, also have someone try to run it with os

XlzQwerty1 Joined: Aug 6, 2009	Posted: Jan 27, 2013 09:54 PM Msg. 213 of 915 The map does not work for me either. It exceptions as DSali had said and will give a stream error when opened in HEK+

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:50 PM Msg. 214 of 915 Woah woah wait up here. Does that mean the map has to be re-built from scratch?

killzone64 Joined: Jun 9, 2010 sometimes i miss the chaos occasionally	Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:54 PM Msg. 215 of 915 no it just means jesse has to send someone else the tags to attempt to compile them, though i just had a thought @jesse are you running tool as an admin, windows 7 just loves to make files in the appdata and temp folders if you dont.

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 01:29 PM Msg. 216 of 915 Disable desktop composition. Run in win xp compatibility mode. Open map. Rightclik on empty space beside the tags. Select all. Rightclick the selected tags. Extract to. Check use origonal folder names or similar and maybe recursive. Extract.

Higuy Joined: Mar 6, 2007 @lucasgovatos	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 05:10 PM Msg. 217 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Lestat BAMP. Here's somewhat of an update/rant. I sent the level over to Yoko (032MB), and she >implying yoko is actually a woman

XlzQwerty1 Joined: Aug 6, 2009	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 05:19 PM Msg. 218 of 915 Shh Higuy, don't want to spoil other people's fun.

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 05:35 PM Msg. 219 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Lestat BAMP. Here's somewhat of an update/rant. I sent the level over to Yoko (032MB), and she got the level to work! She said it was on Slayer and worked fine up until she fired the brute shot, then it crashed. Normally I'd be able to use this information to fix the level myself, but Jesse is hoarding the latest tags and hasn't been on for days. Hopefully he sees this post. I tried using that tag extractor thing that's supposed to be better than HEK+, and I got the level open but have absolutely no clue how to bulk rip the tags, right now it seems to only give me the option to rip 1 tag at a time or generate some sort of txt file. SteelIXB has never been good at making user friendly UIs. To this day I've never been able to run any of his apps without first having to change the Windows theme to Classic. PS- Microsoft Office was never appealing. HTC is and older tag converter and HEK+ was rewritten to address it's flaws. HTC was steelix's first "real", and HEK+ was his second. You should be more respectful of the time and effort he put into it, seeing as HEK+ was/is the most important tool ever released to the community, and the tags gained using it have provided this community with countless amounts of maps and knowledge. Also HTC has a recursive option, I can look into finding it later for you but I have to get to class. Cheers and Beers.

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 05:57 PM Msg. 220 of 915 ^Cheerz 'n beerz for the cool kids.

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 08:05 PM Msg. 221 of 915 no, i was talking about this http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2289

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 08:16 PM Msg. 222 of 915 It should. Why not?

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 08:38 PM Msg. 223 of 915 Wish i could. You tried the other versions?

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 09:08 PM Msg. 224 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Lestat "Disable desktop composition. Run in win xp compatibility mode. Open map. Rightclik on empty space beside the tags. Select all. Rightclick the selected tags. Extract to. Check use origonal folder names or similar and maybe recursive. Extract." Rightclicking there doesn't bring up an context menus. We're talking about this, right? http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4279 "implying yoko is actually a woman" Somebody told me he/she was, I didn't have time to look into it. If what you claim is true, that's just super kinky and I'm totally fine with that. "You should be more respectful of the time and effort he put into it, seeing as HEK+ was/is the most important tool ever released to the community, and the tags gained using it have provided this community with countless amounts of maps and knowledge. Also HTC has a recursive option" Woah I never said that the applications or author were worthless. I probably use HEK+ the most around here. It just frustrates me that I have to switch the Windows theme or else the program completely freezes and I can't tell you how many times I couldn't find what I was looking for because everything was in a floating window being covered up by another random floating window. Then I'm told there's a better, easier tool... the HTC. Wow it's even less intuitive, but with the same Windows theme problem and on top of that, the only way to close it is by killing the process. Recursive extraction is a good start to ripping all the tags, but it's not quite good enough for the praise it's receiving. If I invent a perpetual motion device and then strap a pink fuzzy giraff to it, does this mean I am exempt from the critizism I may receive from it? Think about it. I farted as I typed this, you should know. That's the thing, HTC isn't a better or easier tool. It's a program that was dumped because it was not very good and was rewritten as HEK+, which was suppose to be a tool that anyone could develop for and include their own apps (tool-ex, string editors, gearbox model converters.. ect..) as well as provide cleaner tag extraction. HTC is a worse tool, but it does some things more accurately than HEK+ (scenario extraction for firing points, animations for example). I released the internal beta of that build of HTC because it was the latest one I had and I figured the community would find some use for it (which they have).

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 09:45 PM Msg. 225 of 915 Well HEK+ was kind of a rush job. HTC was developed over a period of about 2 years, HEK+ over a few months. I'm not really sure why HTC can open it... but I know HEK+ supports HPC, HCE, H1X and H2X maps, so perhaps it has to deal with some kind of check to see what game the map file is, while HTC just opened map files regardless of their affiliation. I am curious about this map though. Hit me up on xfire if you're interested in my help.

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:19 PM Msg. 226 of 915 A thought occurred to me. What if someone out there re-wrote the HEK+ program? So this time it's not rushed and actually has a good IU interface.

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:27 PM Msg. 227 of 915 I'd say something but I can't. ;)

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 01:14 AM Msg. 228 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Masters1337 Hit me up on xfire if you're interested in my help. Protip: do not make a deal with this man. He doesn't stick true to his word and will try to steal credit where he can.

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 08:09 AM Msg. 229 of 915 Well good news and bad news. I coudl sucessfully load the map, but when I pick up the BS and fire it, it would seem the explosion causes me to exception. This makes me wonder if it's sound tag related like we discussed, and I have the exception offset value (00045088). Edit: Did some testing with memory editing. When I made the explosion of the BS grenade come from the actual projectile tag and not the projectile collision, changed it to use the needer super combine explosion sound and the PP overcharge particle system, I was able to fire several grenades without an exception, and around the 3rd or 4th I exceptioned. Edit 2: Changed the BS grenade colli to use the rocket launcher explosion, still exceptioning with a new offset of 00115430. So I'm stumped for now. What we really need is to have jesse compile without the BS and see whats up with the map then. Edited by Masters1337 on Feb 5, 2013 at 08:31 AM

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:10 AM Msg. 230 of 915 So the last zteam tag release was extracted with hek+, which doesn't use the tag definitions found in the HEK tools. Instead it uses some half-assed plugin system Steelix came up with for getting data of a certain size/type and dumping it into a tag (which doesn't always work 100% of the time as you've all noticed). So instead try these: *link removed by admin Straight from the horses teet. Hopefully proper original tags correct the issue. Edited by Dennis on Feb 6, 2013 at 02:44 PM

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:30 AM Msg. 231 of 915 All you mac and linux users out there feel free to confirm there is nothing in that rar other than tags. I have no clue what Sali is talking about.

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:40 AM Msg. 232 of 915 Yes, my ultimate goal in life is to infect a bunch of children with a virus on a halo modding forum. It's a very lucrative business... In all seriousness, you have no idea how a virus works. Viruses are generally put into executable files and hook into a programs startup function to initialize malicious code. They generally aren't put into mundane filetypes where you need a specialized program (guerilla/sapien/tool) to run those said files. What you're asserting is that I've somehow put this malicious code into the tag files and got it to run (which would also require modifications to guerilla/sapien/tool to run the said code). I didn't include a new HEK tool download, so how would you presume I'm executing this alleged virus?

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:48 AM Msg. 233 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Lestat Quote: --- Original message by: Choking Victim Yes, my ultimate goal in life is to infect a bunch of children with a virus on a halo modding forum. It's a very lucrative business... In all seriousness, you have no idea how a virus works. Viruses are generally put into executable files and hook into a programs startup function to initialize malicious code. They generally aren't put into mundane filetypes where you need a specialized program (guerilla/sapien/tool) to run those said files. What you're asserting is that I've somehow put this malicious code into the tag files and got it to run (which would also require modifications to guerilla/sapien/tool to run the said code). I didn't include a new HEK tool download, so how would you presume I'm executing this alleged virus? I know: -CMT has tried to do this before. Don't act surprised. -I trust my very expensive AV over my knowledge of viruses any day. -I don't know how it would have worked, all I need is a positive read to get me paranoid. - No they haven't, they don't have the means. They know just as much about viruses as you do. - Norton sucks. - Learning is hard. I could've easily just not released this stuff, I'll keep this in mind next time you need help.

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 11:18 AM Msg. 234 of 915 Why do you have to owe me something for me to help you, genius? Your knowledge of language syntax is on par with your computer virus expertise. Edited by Choking Victim on Feb 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 11:46 AM Msg. 235 of 915 Just ignore Choking Victim. He's just acting like Shadowspartan always does. All high and mighty on his horse of ultimate destiny.

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:17 PM Msg. 236 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: The Lodeman Just ignore Choking Victim. He's just acting like Shadowspartan always does. All high and mighty on his horse of ultimate destiny. Just trying to bring knowledge and reason to the unreasonable and stupid.

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:27 PM Msg. 237 of 915 No you're just acting like an ass, plain and simple.

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:32 PM Msg. 238 of 915 Said the 25+ year old male to some guy on the internet on a Tuesday afternoon...

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:34 PM Msg. 239 of 915 You're wrong about my age, who tells you this bs? LOL

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:56 PM Msg. 240 of 915 Ohh and you're welcome, I hope those tags fix your problem. Edited by Choking Victim on Feb 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Choking Victim Joined: Jan 13, 2008	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 01:51 PM Msg. 241 of 915 I couldn't care less if you used them or not.

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 01:54 PM Msg. 242 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Choking Victim I couldn't care less if you used them or not. If you didn't care you wouldn't respond. #logic #winning #victimizingChoke

Masters1337 Joined: Mar 5, 2006 halonaminator's unfortunate idol	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 02:16 PM Msg. 243 of 915 Quote: --- Original message by: Lestat Quote: --- Original message by: Choking Victim Ohh and you're welcome, I hope those tags fix your problem. Edited by Choking Victim on Feb 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM My problem? We still haven't ruled out your tags as the cause in the first place! While we're at it- why weren't these released sooner? Like, even way before the crappy ones. Explain that. I'll have a serious chat with Jesse to see if he'll reconsider using his own tags. I can think of no greater karma than denying you guys credit for your hand-me-down Halo 3 rips in our quality Halo 3 port. It just seems right at this point for all the withheld releases and smug attitude. I'll explain that. When I released the extracted ones, we thought the tags that CV had were identical to the ones CAD had given me. We didn't realize it was a second set until CV sent me the rar this morning to help you with your problem. As far as we're aware (and this may change given your problem), the only problem with the released tags was in the h3 spartan animations (which was fixed) and the AR fire effect.

Jesse Joined: Jan 18, 2009 Discord: Holy Crust#4500	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 06:47 PM Msg. 244 of 915 So uh, what have I missed? :o

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Feb 5, 2013 06:50 PM Msg. 245 of 915 You missed a conversation between 2 people.

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