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MoooseGuy Joined: Aug 10, 2008 I Approve This Message.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 02:19 PM Msg. 316 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: TM_updates So I finally found the health pack lol. I have to say it's rather poorly placed tbh. It's barely noticeable against the wall with that green light shining on it. Plus you have to jump to get it. Basically I only ever found it after knowing where it was by reading about it here. Furthermore I have found a rather fool-proof tactic now. Just take an assault rifle and one scoped rifle, and camp at the turret. When a new wave starts just hide behind the cover and take out the drones. Then aim for the carbine infantry. After that most things can easily be taken out with the turret since enemies rarely ever charge you up there. If you ever get stuck on the map between fetching ammo, just camp in the green tunnels. Nothing can attack you in there which imo makes it too easy. I also want to say that I don't find the spawn-point to be particularly well built or supplied. Most of my deaths were a result of being swarmed+spawn-killed in that low-cover structure after I had died a "legit" way. I think this could have been resolved by setting the spawn point further away from the action or enlarging the spawn structure, and providing at least one "safe" room where no enemies can enter or shoot you (however they could shoot you if you'd open its door for example). The teammate is also a little underwhelming I find, he often gets stuck in the green tunnel and just isn't much more than a distraction. I personally prefer to have teammates that can do some real damage but spawn less often, as opposed to a frequently spawning teammate that just sprays his gun a bit. Just some things to think about for future work. I still like the map of course, oh and nice credits billboard :-) Thanks for the honest review. A few design decisions to highlight here. There were many decisions that had to be made, many of them unknown to the player as to why. The health pack can be hard to find for some people, I admit. The reason you have to jump to get it is so that the player doesn't inadvertently heal himself before he wants to, just by standing near the panels in there. The map is designed to be tactically exploited. You will not live past Round 3 if you do not develop a strategy. This is actually intended. The green tunnels were blocked off from AI for two reasons. The first one is that AI would go up in there and get stuck near the top, and the second is that it is another good tactical location for the player on more difficult rounds. This map is built on being exploitive. The player spawn point is where it is because it is near the ammo and health, as well as the main panels. The player is actually invincible for about 5 seconds after spawning, and the AI ignore the player for the first few seconds as well. If AI are camping the base, you can hide behind the wall where the 2 panels are and draw them in one at a time. And lastly, the teammate used to be a machine, but we found that it interfered with the gameplay because rounds that were meant to be harder became too easy. Therefore he serves as a way to distract usually the lower half of enemies while you work on taking out the upper guys. Hopefully, this sheds some light on why things are the way they are. We know some things could have been done better, but that's what learning is all about. If you are still reading this, thanks for reading, lol.

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 02:23 PM Msg. 317 of 374 Why not make the AI act like a trigger-happy Elite(with a better weapon than a lousy assault rifle)? Better yet,adjust the ODST AI based on difficulty.Good on easy,terrible on Legendary. Edited by Dumb AI on Aug 30, 2012 at 02:26 PM

MoooseGuy Joined: Aug 10, 2008 I Approve This Message.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 02:26 PM Msg. 318 of 374 He's pretty trigger happy alright. The reason he doesn't have an awesome weapon is because his purpose is to distract the lower guys while you fight off the upper guys. In earlier iterations, he did a good deal of killing. This made the rounds too easy as you would kill the upper guys and then all that was left on the bottom were the elites and maybe a jackal.

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 04:47 PM Msg. 319 of 374 What about the Fun Waves?

MoooseGuy Joined: Aug 10, 2008 I Approve This Message.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 08:09 PM Msg. 320 of 374 What about them...

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 08:23 PM Msg. 321 of 374 The difficulty of survival in those waves.

GrueHunter Joined: Feb 27, 2011 I'm just pretending that I actually know stuff.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 08:25 PM Msg. 322 of 374 Finally beat it on normal. It is a truly excellent map and I am having a lot of fun playing it over again with different weapons and strategies. I agree with TM_updates on the spawn point and the teammate's weakness, but I also thought that the weapons disappeared too quickly. More times that I could count I would kill an Elite, watch him drop three plasma grenades, turn away for one second to punch a Grunt, and then look back to find that my loot had vanished before I could grab it. Quote: --- Original message by: MoooseGuy The player spawn point is where it is because it is near the ammo and health, as well as the main panels. The player is actually invincible for about 5 seconds after spawning, and the AI ignore the player for the first few seconds as well. If AI are camping the base, you can hide behind the wall where the 2 panels are and draw them in one at a time. Yes, but generally trying to hide behind a wall at the main base still got me shot to death by some of the higher ranking Elites once they stopped ignoring me, and the five seconds aren't enough to get to any other defensible location in time. I would prefer a more secluded spawn point.

Pepzee Joined: Sep 9, 2010 Retired Halo Modder	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 09:07 PM Msg. 323 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: Dumb AI The difficulty of survival in those waves. The survival rate for the fun waves is 100%. You have infinite lives during a fun wave, feel free to die 1000 times, you can keep on going.

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Aug 30, 2012 11:08 PM Msg. 324 of 374 Kill and death ratio=1:5

MoooseGuy Joined: Aug 10, 2008 I Approve This Message.	Posted: Aug 31, 2012 12:32 AM Msg. 325 of 374 I think the Covie ship ran out of gas. Woopsie.

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Aug 31, 2012 07:05 AM Msg. 326 of 374 Hey guys, I finally got to play it. I never really like firefights, I thought they were too boring. But this is actually my first favorite firefight.

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Aug 31, 2012 11:20 AM Msg. 327 of 374 I think someone shot it with a NOVA bomb.

Nne Ya Tano Joined: Dec 24, 2011 Rebirth (2%)	Posted: Aug 31, 2012 11:29 AM Msg. 328 of 374 There wouldn't be anything remaining if that were to happen. Pop a few MAC roudns in its ass and it'll drop outta the sky easily.

Dumb AI Joined: Sep 18, 2011 Dead.	Posted: Sep 1, 2012 01:50 AM Msg. 329 of 374 Hm,I think it was caused by those prototype Murder rounds that were shipped with a certain Dev Kit.

CorpseManTS Joined: Nov 16, 2008 Sorry, I cant hear u with my bullet in your mouth!	Posted: Sep 1, 2012 04:03 AM Msg. 330 of 374 i edited the map a little bit via eschaton and made the teammate AI biped "turn w/o animating".

master noob Joined: Aug 10, 2012 343Industries Advocate	Posted: Sep 1, 2012 11:33 AM Msg. 331 of 374 it's fun, but I find myself dying randomly; once when hiding behind a plasma shield with full health/shields and another when running towards some grunts.

doompig444 Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Morni� alanti�	Posted: Sep 20, 2012 01:40 AM Msg. 332 of 374 This firefight... It is decent. Actually it's more than just decent, I just wanted to make that pun :) Amazing work, everybody.

Ubergoober Joined: Oct 11, 2010	Posted: Sep 20, 2012 03:02 AM Msg. 333 of 374 ohai piggles :)

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:03 AM Msg. 334 of 374 hi,can sombady help me D: firefight descent give me eception when i try to play it :( please help me i want to play this map DDDDD: note:i read the readme just in case..

The Lodeman Joined: Sep 16, 2012 Hipster Lodeman: Enjoyed goats before it was cool.	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:11 AM Msg. 335 of 374 It's possible its due to the drones they are using. We recently just found out that a sound tag that is used with it can cause exceptions for people.

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:48 AM Msg. 336 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: The Lodeman It's possible its due to the drones they are using. We recently just found out that a sound tag that is used with it can cause exceptions for people. first of all they dont even apper on weave one and second the map dont load it just start the cutscene and eception! D:

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 03:36 PM Msg. 337 of 374 Something might have gone wrong while you were downloading it. Try another download?

MoooseGuy Joined: Aug 10, 2008 I Approve This Message.	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 03:39 PM Msg. 338 of 374 Make sure you don't have any non-original audio-related dll's installed. We had issues with custom audio dlls regarding the music files during production of the level. A lot of the issues were fixed, but you could have something it still doesn't like.

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 04:59 PM Msg. 339 of 374 Quote: Make sure you don't have any non-original audio-related dll's installed. We had issues with custom audio dlls regarding the music files during production of the level. A lot of the issues were fixed, but you could have something it still doesn't like. i reinstall halo 3 times,and download it again from halomaps 1 time and fron others site many times,firefight-descent before i was able to play it but,now i download it again and give me eception D: helppppp please T-T i can even make a video is nesesary? edit:i download firefight descent,again right now and still the same,and i talk with mi friends and they have the same problem... Edited by creator843 on Sep 23, 2012 at 05:09 PM

MatthewDratt Joined: Sep 11, 2010 TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 05:48 PM Msg. 340 of 374 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6240433/sound%20files.rar Original DLLs files for sound. Try these (stupid drones) Edited by MatthewDratt on Sep 23, 2012 at 05:49 PM

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 10:38 PM Msg. 341 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6240433/sound%20files.rar Original DLLs files for sound. Try these (stupid drones) Edited by MatthewDratt on Sep 23, 2012 at 05:49 PM dont work for me.... hey MoooseGuy is there a way to disable cutscenes?

Pepzee Joined: Sep 9, 2010 Retired Halo Modder	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 10:45 PM Msg. 342 of 374 Can you tell us when it specifically exceptions? Does it exception on start up? It will help us narrow down what the cause may be.

Ubergoober Joined: Oct 11, 2010	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 10:47 PM Msg. 343 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: creator843 Quote: Make sure you don't have any non-original audio-related dll's installed. We had issues with custom audio dlls regarding the music files during production of the level. A lot of the issues were fixed, but you could have something it still doesn't like. i reinstall halo 3 times,and download it again from halomaps 1 time and fron others site many times,firefight-descent before i was able to play it but,now i download it again and give me eception D: helppppp please T-T i can even make a video is nesesary? edit:i download firefight descent,again right now and still the same,and i talk with mi friends and they have the same problem... Edited by creator843 on Sep 23, 2012 at 05:09 PM orly? ur friends have the same problem? worked fine for me, havent heard anyone else having issues. joined july 2012, trollolololol...?

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 10:59 PM Msg. 344 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee Can you tell us when it specifically exceptions? Does it exception on start up? It will help us narrow down what the cause may be. ok,i load the map I choose difficulty,start the cinematic and exception...i cant even play.... Quote: orly? ur friends have the same problem? worked fine for me, havent heard anyone else having issues. joined july 2012, trollolololol...? they are not on halomaps, they cant get help..i mean they cant ask for help here.because they are not registered,i dont know what is the funy thing with ''trollolololol'' they havent never play the map just for the same problem...just looking videos of gameplay from the map....torturing themselves (and not by dramatizing) Edited by creator843 on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Pepzee Joined: Sep 9, 2010 Retired Halo Modder	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:12 PM Msg. 345 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: creator843 Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee Can you tell us when it specifically exceptions? Does it exception on start up? It will help us narrow down what the cause may be. ok,i load the map I choose difficulty,start the cinematic and exception...i cant even play.... How far into the cinematic do you go before it exceptions? Does it fade in and you see the bottom of the ship? Do you see the player?

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:33 PM Msg. 346 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee Quote: --- Original message by: creator843 Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee Can you tell us when it specifically exceptions? Does it exception on start up? It will help us narrow down what the cause may be. ok,i load the map I choose difficulty,start the cinematic and exception...i cant even play.... How far into the cinematic do you go before it exceptions? Does it fade in and you see the bottom of the ship? Do you see the player? 1:no,i never see the player 2:i get on the cinematic to just looking up to the ship is just go down a little for turn around and see the rest of the map but,just before turn around it give exception..pepzee looks like you are tryn to help me :D could be beter if i make a video an show how far the cinematic go etc?

Pepzee Joined: Sep 9, 2010 Retired Halo Modder	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:39 PM Msg. 347 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: creator843 1:no,i never see the player 2:i get on the cinematic to just looking up to the ship is just go down a little for turn around and see the rest of the map but,just before turn around it give exception..pepzee looks like you are tryn to help me :D could be beter if i make a video an show how far the cinematic go etc? I found another user with a similar problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uJcqioiN3o Does it exception at the same time his does? This applies to everyone else to has the exception, I need to know if it happens here to, or with the drones. (If you can't speak Spanish to understand the video that's fine, it's the content that matters) Edited by Pepzee on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:41 PM

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:45 PM Msg. 348 of 374 Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee Quote: --- Original message by: creator843 1:no,i never see the player 2:i get on the cinematic to just looking up to the ship is just go down a little for turn around and see the rest of the map but,just before turn around it give exception..pepzee looks like you are tryn to help me :D could be beter if i make a video an show how far the cinematic go etc? I found another user with a similar problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uJcqioiN3o Does it exception at the same time his does? This applies to everyone else to has the exception, I need to know if it happens here to, or with the drones. (If you can't speak Spanish to understand the video that's fine, it's the content that matters) Edited by Pepzee on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:41 PM i speak spanish,that is why mi english is so....crappy..crap :D and yes just right there it give me exception. Edited by creator843 on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Pepzee Joined: Sep 9, 2010 Retired Halo Modder	Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:55 PM Msg. 349 of 374 This might seem like a weird question, but what are your PC specifications? The reason I ask this is because right as the camera is coming down off the gravlift all of the scenery is created at once and for lower end systems halo could choke and crash. That is my absolute best guess at this point, as I've checked all of the scenery files individually and they all are fine.

creator843 Joined: Jul 10, 2012 I LOVE HALO!	Posted: Sep 24, 2012 12:03 AM Msg. 350 of 374 windows 7 ultimate 32 bits,525 video card,4gb ram,2.7 processor....i dont think that the pc is the problem....LOl anyway with the video..i fix the problem aaaaawwwwwwyeahhhhh,but now i have to play on multiplayer before be able to play firefight descent xD,but is something...i will run and tell this to mi friends this yayyyyy thanks pepzee :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Edited by creator843 on Sep 24, 2012 at 12:04 AM Edited by creator843 on Sep 24, 2012 at 12:05 AM

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