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anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 01:20 PM Msg. 71 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Dennis Quote: --- Original message by: Garagorn888 I hate that so many of the adults on these forums There at most 3 adults in this forum. There are many ways of BEING an adult and many ways of DEFINING an adult.

SeL Joined: Dec 15, 2010 twitter.com/TeamFalldog	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 01:32 PM Msg. 72 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: ASP GRUNTS If it's not for anything professional? Then I'd see them as low-life losers honestly. I've had my content purchased by VALVe, and I develop content for this game (and a few others), so I'm an unprofessional low life loser? Quote: --- Original message by: ASP GRUNTS Idk which teenagers you're talking about. The ones I know in the real world (which aren't any different than where you live), and the majority of the people here, aren't capable of doing geometry level math. =\ I'm not capable of doing geometry level math (That's a lie, if I cared about it I could learn it), and I'm one of the best modelers regularly posting on this site. Additionally, just because someone has the capability to do something, doesn't mean they will, for instance, people have the capability to not be lazy unintelligent fat slobs, yet a frightening amount of the world population, are lazy, unintelligent, fat slobs. Edited by SeL on Mar 13, 2011 at 01:33 PM

Alberto Joined: Mar 6, 2011 Disillusioned by the internet. Getting a life..	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 05:41 PM Msg. 73 of 439 Stereotypes.

anonymous_2009 Joined: Jun 13, 2009	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 06:11 PM Msg. 74 of 439 Not everyone on here is from America :/ I'm British.

ethreepoh Joined: Mar 2, 2011	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 06:29 PM Msg. 75 of 439 When people decide to publish their maps from inside of HEKAIO they will get multiple options to publish them. They will get to choose if they want to publish it to our custom made publish website that will display all of the tag authors that contributed into the making of the map along with screenshots of the map and ability to download and comment. Any team members that helped edit the map and the team leader will be listed as well for group projects. This will help give authors the credit they deserve and help prevent people from claiming tags are their own. You will then be able to categorize maps by their authors and even see all of the maps that have your tags in them. If someone was to delete the digital signature inside of the tags the tags will render themselves useless as the digital signature is also a key to being able to decrypt some necessary parts of the tags. Someone could always write a program to still rip the tags out of memory and remove the credits but if someone wanted to truly steal someones tag and call it their own then thats a whole different issue. When it comes to protecting tags i have not decided if the original authors will be able to decide to allow people to protect their tags. This would mean if I make a vehicle and send it to a friend but he wanted to protect his map i could choose if he could protect my vehicle or not from being extracted. Or possibly i can release my vehicle tag protected so people can use it, but can't edit attributes about it. In other words the original author has all of the rights to his own content and can choose to redistribute it editable or not editable. This is a different type of protection that i don't think has been thought up yet. Content can still be extracted, but the digital fingerprint encryption key would tell if it can be edited or not...

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 06:32 PM Msg. 76 of 439 Sounds kinda far fetched to me. While being very skeptical of this ever happening, i wish you guys the best of luck.

SlappyThePirate Joined: Aug 24, 2009 You are irritating, I'll release nothing	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 06:43 PM Msg. 77 of 439 Maybe a timeline/changelog for the editors to look at?

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 07:19 PM Msg. 78 of 439 Just incase there are people here who have never heard of Prometheus. Google "prometheus+haloce"

Sprinkle Joined: Jan 3, 2010	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 08:02 PM Msg. 79 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood If we can get people to work on a networking library in C#//VB//C++ that's pretty much how it would work. Why are you using visual basic, it has no advantages to any other language. Anything written in visual basic can be written in C#. If it's cause someone on the team only knows VB, than C# isn't that difficult to learn if you know VB.

ethreepoh Joined: Mar 2, 2011	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 09:56 PM Msg. 80 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Sprinkle Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood If we can get people to work on a networking library in C#//VB//C++ that's pretty much how it would work. Why are you using visual basic, it has no advantages to any other language. Anything written in visual basic can be written in C#. If it's cause someone on the team only knows VB, than C# isn't that difficult to learn if you know VB. It doesn't matter what language the plugins are developed in. People have specialized skills in VB that there is no reason for them to learn a new language to do the same thing they can already do. When it's compiled it's no different then if it's compiled in C#.

Dwood Joined: Oct 23, 2007 Judge Ye Therefore	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 10:06 PM Msg. 81 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Sprinkle Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood If we can get people to work on a networking library in C#//VB//C++ that's pretty much how it would work. Why are you using visual basic, it has no advantages to any other language. Anything written in visual basic can be written in C#. If it's cause someone on the team only knows VB, than C# isn't that difficult to learn if you know VB. herp dee derp. dee derp. And what else about the CLR? You can make DLLs that interop with C#, C++, and VB. Quote: --- Original message by: Maniac1000 Just incase there are people here who have never heard of Prometheus. Google "prometheus+haloce" This isn't Prometheus. I'm working on it. Edited by Dwood on Mar 13, 2011 at 10:07 PM

cyboryxmen Joined: Nov 7, 2010 --CG artist-- New mission. Refuse this Mission!	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 10:14 PM Msg. 82 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: ethreepoh Quote: --- Original message by: Sprinkle Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood If we can get people to work on a networking library in C#//VB//C++ that's pretty much how it would work. Why are you using visual basic, it has no advantages to any other language. Anything written in visual basic can be written in C#. If it's cause someone on the team only knows VB, than C# isn't that difficult to learn if you know VB. It doesn't matter what language the plugins are developed in. People have specialized skills in VB that there is no reason for them to learn a new language to do the same thing they can already do. When it's compiled it's no different then if it's compiled in C#. Actually, if you compile a program in Visual Basic, the program will be a lot slower compared to compiling it in C#.. or at least that's what my Programming For Dummies book says. Quote: --- Original message by: ASP GRUNTS Sry, I should have said western culture, not America. But you get the gist. I'm not even from the west. I'm in Singapore;South East Asia.

ethreepoh Joined: Mar 2, 2011	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 10:34 PM Msg. 83 of 439 Please stay on topic please. We need an icon. Best icon wins.

Dwood Joined: Oct 23, 2007 Judge Ye Therefore	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 10:34 PM Msg. 84 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: cyboryxmen Actually, if you compile a program in Visual Basic, the program will be a lot slower compared to compiling it in C#.. or at least that's what my Programming For Dummies book says. That alone disqualified the book as a reliable source of information. Burn it or throw it in the trash.

Sprinkle Joined: Jan 3, 2010	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 11:18 PM Msg. 85 of 439 It's better to generalize all of your code, although one person is fluent in VB that doesn't make the language any easier to understand for anyone else that would need to take over if something were to happen or if he needed help. Lol and I guess you, sir Dwood, are a more reliable source of information. Should throw some DriftWood into a fire. I think you (cyboryxmen) probably just got the two mixed up, a program compiled in VB and C# would both run slower than one compiled in C++. Just as any DLLs compiled with VB and C# will run slower than a DLL compiled in C++. Edited by Sprinkle on Mar 13, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Dwood Joined: Oct 23, 2007 Judge Ye Therefore	Posted: Mar 13, 2011 11:37 PM Msg. 86 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Sprinkle It's better to generalize all of your code, although one person is fluent in VB that doesn't make the language any easier to understand for anyone else that would need to take over if something were to happen or if he needed help. It's not an issue with our team.

Sprinkle Joined: Jan 3, 2010	Posted: Mar 14, 2011 12:01 AM Msg. 87 of 439 If you say so. It's safe to assume your making the tag extraction for the team seeing you pretty much stated it multiple times. I'm guessing your using BlamLib as you as well suggested the use of it. So what exactly are you doing since BlamLib pretty much does everything for tag extraction.

cyboryxmen Joined: Nov 7, 2010 --CG artist-- New mission. Refuse this Mission!	Posted: Mar 14, 2011 12:40 AM Msg. 88 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Sprinkle I think you (cyboryxmen) probably just got the two mixed up, a program compiled in VB and C# would both run slower than one compiled in C++. Just as any DLLs compiled with VB and C# will run slower than a DLL compiled in C++. Edited by Sprinkle on Mar 13, 2011 at 11:21 PM Oh yeah now I remember. Sry, I didn't memorised the codes well but that was my mistake. The book is still legit so there's no need to burn it. It was a library book anyway. -Zekilk

CLS_GRUNT Joined: Jan 21, 2007 Old	Posted: Mar 14, 2011 01:55 AM Msg. 89 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: anonymous_2009 Quote: --- Original message by: CLS_GRUNT Why you would even consider adding another form of protection is beyond me. Much less problems would arise in this community if everything was open. This community is too immature to respect authors work, and half don't bother. If most people in this community had instant access to awesome weapons/vehicles ect... hundreds more mods will be made which are all pointless, unless complete rework is done. And not many people will bother to learn to create new content if its there for them to just use... All of what you have stated is mearly speculation and assumptions, you wouldnt know if anything you have stated would actually happen seeing as you were not part of the community before HEK+. Another thing that you cannot just simply grasp is that the primary function of this game is to entertain, so what if people do not want to do everything by scratch, if its fun for them let them be.

XlzQwerty1 Joined: Aug 6, 2009	Posted: Mar 15, 2011 04:35 PM Msg. 90 of 439 There is already a tool called batch bitmap extractor. By firescythe

Alberto Joined: Mar 6, 2011 Disillusioned by the internet. Getting a life..	Posted: Mar 15, 2011 05:12 PM Msg. 91 of 439 I have idea.. Tool Pallete: when clicked plane shows texture on and in level.

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 15, 2011 06:35 PM Msg. 92 of 439 Im not being mean or anything take it as you want,after reading alot of this,alot of you guys are shooting to high,I don't think half this is going to get done. No offense

General Shepherd Joined: Feb 15, 2011	Posted: Mar 15, 2011 06:37 PM Msg. 93 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 Im not being mean or anything take it as you want,after reading alot of this,alot of you guys are shooting to high,I don't think half this is going to get done. No offense How goes H2SPT?

ethreepoh Joined: Mar 2, 2011	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 11:49 AM Msg. 94 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: XlzQwerty1 There is already a tool called batch bitmap extractor. By firescythe HEKAIO is an ALL IN ONE program. This means just because there is an app for extracting bitmaps already, an app for editing map files, and an app for extracting maps into tags doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented into HEKAIO. This is why we are developing the plugin infrastructure. This will allow for already existing app developers to port their applications into plugins to be loaded in HEKAIO... The point is that we don't want to have to open up multiple applications to work on projects. Of course you will have photoshop and 3ds max open as well, but there is no reason for you to have to have 3ds max, photoshop, tool, sapien, guerilla, halo, bitmap extractor, HEK+, and teamviewer open just to share your screen and work on a project. Not to mention Teamviewer is terrible for sharing an editing environment and only one person can have control at one time.. Firescythe has agreed to help work on the project as well and has been implementing features into blamlib that we will be using as soon as they are implementable. Currently we are still looking for a directx developer that is able to work with us on this project. HEKAIO WEBSITE: http://www.hekaio.info/

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 12:53 PM Msg. 95 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: General Shepherd Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 Im not being mean or anything take it as you want,after reading alot of this,alot of you guys are shooting to high,I don't think half this is going to get done. No offense How goes H2SPT? Great thanks :P Got a new method for H2 "like" shaders. Finishing up great journey. Gonna post new thread in may.

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 01:32 PM Msg. 96 of 439 fixed Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 02:07 PM

Jaz Joined: Mar 21, 2010 [Insert sarcastic comment here]	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 01:49 PM Msg. 97 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 Quote: --- Original message by: mastur cheef can we havea WIP video. so we can see how it all works? i really would like to see the real time shader in action Edited by mastur cheef on Mar 17, 2011 at 01:14 PM I didn't make realtime shaders,just alot of steps for better shaders,my stuff isn't halo 2 graphics i'd be a fool to say it was but im trying to raise the bar tell me what you think. I've gotten alot of pm's from users wanting to know how,im still perfecting it though. Post opinion's don't pm me,that makes me think your scared to say openly good job. Pics H2 refrence No offence, but nobody in this thread cares about your Halo 2 stuff, stop going off topic. Mastur cheef was referring to seeing videos of HEK AIO Edited by Garagorn888 on Mar 17, 2011 at 01:49 PM

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 02:06 PM Msg. 98 of 439 let me fix that ^^there removed pics remove the above quote and pics and your back on topic Quote: --- Original message by: ethreepoh Until we decide what this is going to be I'm not going to get into huge detail of what this is, what it will do, and how it will do it. I am in need of developers that wish to spend some time working on a HEK AIO project. This will be much like what Prometheus promised, but never ended up getting released. The basic functionality of the app is already in place but to build it to the next level some hard research and development needs to take place. This project is in the beginning stages and is currently being rewritten from the ground up. We are working on a white paper with what we plan on putting into the application and our goals and deadlines. Once we have a solid team ready to go with accounts setup on my version control server and have a todo for each of the developers there will not be any more development taking place. If you are interested please contact me via email or one of the methods below: XFIRE: e3pobot AIM: helixservers MSN: E3pO@wmclan.net Current Team Members: E3pO - Project Lead Deelekgolo SiLentK Dwood Kiwidoggie Conure Chaos Oxide Some features may include: Real time editing of tags on multiple clients. This will allow for multiple team members to be in the same editing environment at the same time and be able to get work done much faster. Joe Blow can be working on getting a shader to look correct while John is working on adding vehicles and scenery to the map. These edits will be in real time and sync across multiple machines across the world. All changes can be logged and have a digital signature with version control. Everything is done inside of the AIO app. There will be a custom 3ds max export plugin that will allow you to export into our custom format. When you make a new project inside of the AIO app it will ask for a max project to import or start from an existing project map file. When you select the max option it will automatically generate the needed shaders and compile the textures you have assigned inside of 3ds max. It will optimize your 3d mesh to use the least amount of polygons as possible without ruing your mesh. It would be the difference of trying to listen to a high bitrate .wav file and a high bitrate .mp3.. Real Lightmaps. Because we won't be using tool at all for converting data into tags we will have full control over what is being generated. This will allow for fully custom UVW lightmaps with the options of different rendering methods. Ambient Occlusion, Real Radiocity, ratGPU, etc. Drag N Drop anything into the app. Do you have a .vehicle tag you want to add into the map? All you need to do is drag n drop it in and it will add it automatically to the scenario and have the vehicle waiting at your cursor to be clicked and placed. Lets say you want to put in a different sky? All you need to do is drag n drop a sky tag or right click and "Use Sky" to activate it. You will have the option to then regenerate lightmaps if you wish. Realtime BSP Edits. Because we strive for everything to be in real time you will be able to change minor things about bsps. Lets say you have a face that just doesn't look right in game but looked fine inside of 3ds max. You can manipulate it easily inside of the editor. Editing terrain or hills will be easy with different brush sizes to smooth hills or make mountains. This goes for UVW maps as well and other painting fun. Paint Brush madness. There will be multiple different brushes and tools to manipulate the bsp and the textures\lightmaps. Lets say you don't want to open back up photoshop to add a vehicle trail. Select the paintbrush tool and choose your favorite trail type and paint away. This will also allow for edits in lightmaps. Moving objects in the editor is easier then ever. Changing the rotation on objects and moving them around is super simple to do and can be snapped to different grid systems. This will make aligning up objects really easy! And much more.... If you are not a programmer and would like to give ideas feel free to leave a comment. If someone wouldn't mind posting the image linked below as I am not able to display images for another 3 days. Thank you http://www.wmclan.net/i/images/89897393289180700123.png Edited by ethreepoh on Mar 7, 2011 at 01:55 AM Okay so I actually sat and read this,NO! never will see the light of day...I mean really use sense. Schooling+Time+Skills=Bungie programmers these above users no schooling + little programming years or months -skills =not being completed Did you even read what your suggesting your gonna pull off? Custom file formats,networking,lighting calculations etc C'mon guys. Everyone shoots down big mapping projects but somehow think this will make it?? Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 02:27 PM

ethreepoh Joined: Mar 2, 2011	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 02:55 PM Msg. 99 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 Okay so I actually sat and read this,NO! never will see the light of day...I mean really use sense. Schooling+Time+Skills=Bungie programmers these above users no schooling + little programming years or months -skills =not being completed Did you even read what your suggesting your gonna pull off? Custom file formats,networking,lighting calculations etc C'mon guys. Everyone shoots down big mapping projects but somehow think this will make it?? Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 02:27 PM Do you have any idea what your talking about? Go find some more talented programmers and have them give me a message. Until then, I'm willing to bet you have no idea who any of those guys are or what knowledge they have. Feel free to doubt us all you wish, this project will be worked on and will be released regardless of how finished it is. Once we have a stable build its going to be released. Sure not every single feature in the list is guaranteed to be added but the majority is not a long shot at all... I've personally developed file formats for work that are being used in commercial environments. Custom file formats is nothing special whatsoever. I've also developed a successful network library that is used by many applications that use my servers to communicate and store users in databases. I've created a clone of the gamespy master server....

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 03:04 PM Msg. 100 of 439 You basically said sure all of this isn't gonna be finished,just something. Which goes back to what I said not all of this is gonna even see the light of day,it's not. Regardless of how finished it is Basically what I was saying..? Your taking this the wrong way.. Just saying Since Dwood say's all my post are terrible and come of always as haughty. Though this whole damn community comes across that way. Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 03:36 PM

SlappyThePirate Joined: Aug 24, 2009 You are irritating, I'll release nothing	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 05:56 PM Msg. 101 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: DarkLord0912 You basically said sure all of this isn't gonna be finished,just something. Which goes back to what I said not all of this is gonna even see the light of day,it's not. Regardless of how finished it is Basically what I was saying..? Your taking this the wrong way.. Just saying Since Dwood say's all my post are terrible and come of always as haughty. Though this whole damn community comes across that way. Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 03:36 PM What's your problem? There is absolutely no reason to start a debate about whether this will be done at all or not. No reason other than for you to vent whatever the heck you're on about.

Dwood Joined: Oct 23, 2007 Judge Ye Therefore	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 11:04 PM Msg. 102 of 439

DarkLord0912 Joined: Jan 17, 2009 Works on bigger and better things	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 11:12 PM Msg. 103 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood Dwood is that your girlfriend hmmmmmmmmmmmmm??? This community in 5 words: Your wrong and I'm Right Edited by DarkLord0912 on Mar 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Maniac1000 -Helpful Poster- Joined: Feb 24, 2007	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 11:26 PM Msg. 104 of 439 That is to write something on paper, you mean right as in correct. You are incorrect and i am write.

Sprinkle Joined: Jan 3, 2010	Posted: Mar 17, 2011 11:49 PM Msg. 105 of 439 Quote: --- Original message by: Dwood Some stupid picture here. Wow you have nothing to say anymore so you revert to pictures? Sad. Shall you try to speak and express yourself with words next time. Still haven't answered my question to what exactly it is you are doing on this project. Edited by Sprinkle on Mar 17, 2011 at 11:50 PM

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