I know that's supposed to work. You get my point.

I don't know much about coding or programing, but I would be glad to help you guys out.

personally, id like to instead have a UVW map, selection instead. Cant imagine the amount of times, where according to 3dsmax; my uvs looked fine. But when viewed in sapien or ingame, it's just slightly off. Where to some; is nothing, but to others (like myself) get frustrated at these minor things.

wait will you be making a new map extractor.
I'm tired of having to always re-download hek+ every time it breaks down. although I just think we need a new extractor

I really hope this works on windows XP.

It will be able to extract any (hek+) protected map. That's the (answer to the) question you're /really/ asking. When this is released we want people to use our program and the protection it will offer :)
Edited by Dwood on Mar 11, 2011 at 12:50 AM

i'm kinda handy in c# hit me up if you want me.

windows primarily

MS is doing a similar thing with PC games to push xbox 360 more, and yes it is. Or it's just because we want all the hek+ protected tags lolollooolol
Edited by Dwood on Mar 11, 2011 at 08:32 PM

It's not really protection, all it does is replace all tag paths to be "<protected>" making it difficult to extract them cause theres only one tool which has been released. No matter what kind of "protection" that is added, if halo can run the map, it can be extracted.
Edited by Sprinkle on Mar 11, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Indeed this is true... Though efforts can be made with extensive obfuscation of vehicle names and scripts and encrypted files that inject themselves into memory to be played.

But there is no reason to get that serious about protection...



Website is on it's way and will be released as soon as we decide to release our first public beta test.


Currently we are working on tag extraction, the script editor, and the importing and viewing of jms files. There will also be a basic plugin infrastructure for developers to start creating plugins for HEKAIO.

I forsee ripper whiners turning into hekaio whiners.

Why would you even want to add a protecting ability? Wouldn't you have learned that protection is a pretty stupid idea by now from HEK+ over the last 5 years?

Again, will this work on windows XP?

Changing vehicle names and scripts would almost have no affect in extraction and loading encrypted files into memory would require an external program making it not work for halo without that program, making it pretty useless.
Edited by Sprinkle on Mar 12, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Yes, and Windows Vista and Windows 7 and possibly even mac and linux with wine\mono.


It would have no effect on extraction unless someone extracted a script and want to try to find a vehicle name named >I‼^yq│ Ç•o. And yes, and external application would be needed to load it into memory. Or just HEKAIO when teams are testing private builds..

Why you would even consider adding another form of protection is beyond me. Much less problems would arise in this community if everything was open.

Still wouldn't make a difference, you'd be better off spending time working on something more useful than something that would just make the name of a vehicle less memorable or obvious.

I agree with the sentiment you and grunts have shown. I guess I'll leave the ability to open maps with hek+ protection but I'm not going to work on protecting it... Someone else is most probably.

Oh, and it will be nice to drop all the people who are like "no i haz tagz that others dont" attitude.
Edited by Dwood on Mar 12, 2011 at 04:04 PM

Each tag through HEKAIO will also be signed with a digital signature to verify the original creator. When the tag is compiled, the person the has compiled the tag's HEKAIO username will be added with it.

Protection is not a high priority, actually it's not a priority at all. We will be adding a protection plugin when we feel the time is right. Until then we have other deadlines that need to be met before the need for protection would even exist.

Digi Sigs are fine, but having an out right protection system is just foolish.

You can already extract zteam tags with like 10 other programs

This community is too immature to respect authors work, and half don't bother. If most people in this community had instant access to awesome weapons/vehicles ect... hundreds more mods will be made which are all pointless, unless complete rework is done.

And not many people will bother to learn to create new content if its there for them to just use...

What if we changed all the tag names and references to that of the author's? :D
Edited by Dwood on Mar 12, 2011 at 06:52 PM

Well, considering that fact that almost 0 percent of the things made in this engine are "high quality" work, I don't see why anyone would actually give 2 cents. Sure they may have made it and put "hard work" into it, but lol, really? I, personally, find that if people mod my levels, that means that he/she found the map to be fun, and wants to add their own touch to it with some custom weapons or different tags etc. Same goes with weapon tags, scenery, etc...

It's actually really funny - I mean this Halo community in general. Half the people here all complain so much, yet actually create so little that they can really call "theirs" in design. 95% of the threads on this website are either

a. projects that will never make it

b. remake projects that will never make it

or c, projects with very little original designs or levels in it.

and then, out of the blue, (very rarely), we get d, the exceptional 5% of awesome projects that has a good chance of surviving, and may survive, or just be lost forever.

Sure, some people do quality work actually, and try though. But its unfortunate for them, the people who don't complain, make quality work, and actually finish it becuase they enjoy doing it in a timely manner that they have to be in a community where the majority of the people are immature kids who can not do anything but complain about other members ripping content that they remade off some game, when they could easily just go play it on their xbox instead of some 10 year old PC game.

I have a question about all-in-one (and not an off-topic comment about how much the 'community sucks'):
If this lets a team all work on the same map in real-time, how do we connect to each other? My guess would be something like an hek server that others could join. Just interested and curious.

If we can get people to work on a networking library in C#//VB//C++ that's pretty much how it would work. We'd release a server app and I think e3p0 would let people use his servers for a low rate.

coincidentally, i happen to be working on a dll with networking functions in it, but im not sure if its what your looking for... ill PM you with my email; i dont come by here much so that would be the best contact

definitely should be. But they may provide an option to use/do not use passwords, so your project can become so-called "open-source", like anyone can contribute etc..

People will not be able to join unless the person running the server white-listed them.
Edited by Dwood on Mar 13, 2011 at 06:16 AM

Why would I insult you when your making a point, people in this community seem to think I insult for no reason when I only "insult" when someone is being pathetic, or insulting me (or hinting sarcasm based insults at me)

butt yeah, decent content is still harder to find then crappy content, as most new people dont know how to rip the content.

only issue I have is the fact that people make these stupid mods with loads of weapons stuck in a map with no layout set for game play value and, when people dont credit someone for their time and effort, which most people dont bother.

We've had this discussion before, and nothing has changed.

99% of the people around here just want good content to put into their bad maps that they didn't really work too hard on, because they think it'll make their maps better. It won't, anyone who puts a genuine effort forward, and creates reasonably good content can usually just ASK for things they want, and get it.

Why do you think I have the Delta Halo UI, and was able to use it in rev.


If you're a big enough loser to not bother respecting the artist's and developer's choice to keep their assets out of your hands, and instead be a greedy baby who feels the need to rip and steal them against the author's wishes, well fine, you're probably what's wrong with the world, but there's nothing we can do about it, atleast legally, which I'm sure Dennis is going to come along and point out eventually. The fact of the matter is though, the legality is irrelevant, it's still stealing, whether or not the law says it is.

A lot of members of this website are teenagers, and a lot of them are more professional than the adults. I happen to be a teenager myself, and I hate that so many of the adults on these forums swear at everyone and everything because of every little thing. So no, I think you'd be an even bigger loser if you thought all teenagers are immature.

Anyway, I hate rippers. What is the point in ripping content that you can easily just ask for? As SeL said, most of the developers on these forums would happily give out their content if asked nicely. However, a lot of people are too lazy to put any effort into anything, so they steal content rather than earn it.

There at most 3 adults in this forum.

Huh, please point out these adults, there's only a small handful of regular posters on this site who jump out at me as being reasonably mature, and the only one of those who is obviously an adult is Dennis.



There's just as many idiot adults on this planet as there are idiot children, hating anyone because of something they have no control over, in this case age, is dreadfully immature. As is generalizing the group like you just did.