Map protection will just evolve and become harder to crack if an unprotecter is released. It already has started.

Extremely ironic.
Also, I think we scared him off, as he hasn't posted in this topic for a while lol.

Maybe bungie realized this and decided why encrypt when there is always going to be a decrypter. If they had the choice i bet they wouldn't have it compressed to make it easier. Just be greatful for people wanting to use your tags and get rid of the modified halo maps section.

they compressed it to fit on a disc i believe. Zteam broke the compression and from my/ the communities knowledge bungie isn't yelling at them for it.

Also maybe put work into making a credit's section permenatly burnt into the tags so everyone can know its yours. then again if people want to they may be able to change the credits.

Heh it only took 358 posts to come up with a compromise =P


Yet is there a tag that you can not just recreate?
Edited by new101 on Jun 9, 2009 at 09:11 PM


Wait this is a great idea for open sauce =P
Edited by new101 on Jun 9, 2009 at 09:12 PM

Well all you would have to do is remake the compiler like you said to add in the original map creator's team name. When the credit is "blank" the tool allows you to enter the message then let guerilla has a credit's section which is grayed out. Also the tool will not allow you to right the message since it already has a name. But for letting you choose which tags are yours you will need to write a gui to simplify things.

This ol' Discussion again? I would stay away from it altogther. It got me hacked about 10 times. Zealot tried to make an Unprotector, It all came crashing down. The older members will know what im talking about...

Anyways, its likely that Yada, Yada, And Blah , will never give out their unprotectors so you all can just give up. In essense, HEK+'s encryption system is very weak, if you have half a brain and a degree in computer programming you can crack it.

ANYWHO, People who protect maps are ussualy selfish and dont really care about the structural/experience of the community, and it will burn because of them.
Edited by HogdriverOneFiveFive on Jun 9, 2009 at 11:28 PM

You should edit their names away so they don't get spammed with PM's.

Dont jump on the bandwagon, Those are people who MAYBE have them, dont jump to conclusions, god damn. lol, You werent even here "The first time" so please dont start.

The community will burn because of CMT? i think not.

What if I wanted to learn from the protected tags, because those are usually the best... I'm not doing anything harmful to the community, but rather helpful.

I wish people would just stop bumping this and aguring about protection/riping is useless people protect map for their own reason and not intending to destory the coummity to be honest there is more unneeded drama in here than gay marriage and abortion combined.
Face one day there will be a unprotecter and 1,000 map mods with CMT and Zteam crap all over, and people who rip half the time don't even care or know about credit like protecters forgot their "tags" legally don't belong to them, but if I want to protect my map Mirosoft isn't going to send ninjas to break my legs kick me in the nuts, teabag me and take my computer as long as I don't make any money.

Edited by SegwayMaster1324 on Jun 10, 2009 at 11:17 PM

What the hell has that got to do with halo?
and it cant be too wrong, penguins and elephants do it...

The bold is so wrong it isn't even funny.

the bold is so ignorant it deserves an award.
homosexuals are no different than heterosexuals except that their sexual persuasion is toward members of the same sex. its not like theyre all rapists. my uncle is a homosexual. he and his partner have been together for at least 15 years now, and they are wonderful people.

btw you wanna talk about morally incorrect? morally incorrect is to stereotype an entire population of people as hookers. thats morally incorrect. seriously, why did you even bring that up? jesus its like your TRYING to piss everyone off.
until we have a frogout4.gif, this will have to do

Actually, it's hilarious :P

Please stop. I don't know whether to ban you for being hateful, stupid or just off topic. First off your response is completely off topic and second has shown a level of ignorance that is nearly beyond measure. I won’t dignify your post with a rebuttal except to say if you continue to post in this manner your account will be banned.

... My respect for you just hit 0. I'm sorry, but that was the most intolerant thing I've read in a while. I know a gay couple who have been together for well over two years, and they're relationship isn't going to end anytime soon.

Before you start debating, become more tolerant and open-minded of other people's opinions and/or lifestyles. Good Lord, you've flat-out destroyed any respect I may have had for you. And trust me, that's not easy to do.

To be more on topic, I've given my two cents on this subject. There's not really much else I can say, and in all honesty I hope one day an unprotector is publicly released, just to end all the damn drama. I don't think Halo CE modding should be taken so seriously to the point where people start getting so protective of their work. It's unhealthy to be so possessive, and the risks of putting it in the engine and having it ripped are too high.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 13, 2009 at 06:19 AM

Oh. Brett would tear you five new 'holes.
You are so lucky I don't show him that post.

*points at m00kz custom title*

fo shizzle dawgz.

What HEK+ does with reversible protection is just use a password to encrypt the tag filenames and then stick them at the end of the .map file. Then, it deletes all of the tag filenames and replaces them with just one, "protected". All of the tags in the map are then referred to this one name as their filename. You already know this, since you say you can unprotect these maps.

But, with irreversible protection, the tag filenames are just deleted and all of the tags are referenced to the one "protected" filename. The original tag filenames cannot be recovered.

The reason I'm saying this is because you have to get creative now. If you can't find the original filenames, then all you have to do is make new ones.

So, what you should do is create generic filenames based on what kind of tag it is. For each tag, just create the filename and refer the tag to that filename, only this time the program has to do it from scratch since the original filenames are nowhere to be found.

For example, for a ".biped" tag, create it under "characters\mapname\biped1\biped1.biped", and then stick its corresponding gbxmodel, model_animations, model_collision_geometry etc. tags in the same "characters\mapname\biped1" folder with the same filename: "biped1". Then, for the other bipeds, keep counting upwards: "biped2, biped3," etc., with a new folder for each biped and its shaders, bitmaps, etc.

Basically, just have the unprotector automatically create filenames that would group each major kind of tag (biped,vehicle,weapon,scenario,equipment,etc.) with its dependent tags (models, animations, bitmaps, shaders, etc.) with the map's filename as an overall folder above the tags' folders so that you know what map the tags belong to.

It will take a while to find a way to organize each tag correctly, but once that's figured out, any map using normal protection that doesn't have its filenames encrypted can be unprotected neatly.

That was so screwed up I have no idea how to respond to that.

Take your Christian beliefs somewhere else, but not here. This isn't church.

For the background, this might sound ignorant, but how about a key in a lock, with the key unlocking the lock, or "Unprotecting" xD

Nice try, but no. That's not going to work. Even if your brother said it, there was no need to quote him here.

This still stands: