The zip locked sandwich baggie just had an unzipper created? lol

Halo is an old game by many standards . . . unzip, unprotect it let the sandwich be eaten - its already moldy, regardless of whose sandwich it is or whoever is foolish enough to eat it.

Respect is gained by being respectful, and doing your best at whatever you do. To have someone copy, or even vandalize your work, or claim it as their own only diminishes them, not you.

Unzip teh baggie!

*makes note to self, not to revisit this thread*

LeLouch the problem is that most of the people posting here dont make their own tags anyways. Hunter and Donut make all their own stuff, and it looks great. The thing is that its frustrating to them when people use their tags because they put their hearts into it. Itd be like having your test cheated off of without your knowledge.

I doubt he actually did make it.

Or he could do what he wants with the un-protector. Hell, I agree with Kidd here, its not gonna make much of a difference if he does.

YES. They have the right to do with it as they wish.

Wrong. If they release it to the public they can release it in any manner or shape they wish.

You are correct it does not make any sense. Your ability to explain your reasoning lacks any intelligibility whatsoever. Just say you are against the idea of protecting map and be done with it. Your explanation as to why cannot be understood.


Thank you.

Whether you think it is right or wrong, good or bad the fact remains that because you can not own the rights to anything you make for or from the Halo game if someone decrypts the “map protection” then there is nothing you can do about it.
Edited by Dennis on Jun 7, 2009 at 08:33 PM

I think we should just close this topic with the fair conclusion that you should just do whatever the hell you want (rip from protected maps or continue to protect your tags), but also be prepared for the social stigmas which may follow (lazy prick for ripping or arrogant snob for protecting). And please don't bother replying or quoting my post regarding the opinions attached with each action - it is just what is generally being implied throughout this thread. They're not my opinions!

I'm siding with this guy. Its not illegal; just a matter of opinion. Lelouch and other guys can argue till the cows come home, and nothing will be achieved, because Microsoft hasn't sued, and will not sue anyone for portecting tags.

Although I don't believe your really made the app. Does it work on maps w/o a password? (ones that you can't use a password on to undo it)
Edited by chrisk123999 on Jun 8, 2009 at 12:01 AM

People why is this \thread not locked yet... >_>

Don't put in a password when encrypting the map.

Unleash Godzilla apon us , Recycle , it cant get much worse.

May I ask for you to stop making these posts? The thread is open. If Dennis wants to lock it, he will.



This a million times. Once content is in-game, people can do what they want. It's all within the law. If anybody doesn't like that fact, I'd suggest they think again before using Halo as "practice."
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 8, 2009 at 03:50 AM

From my perspective, it's more immoral and selfish to steal programs like 3DS Max ($1,000) and Photoshop ($299), then complain about people stealing their assets (that they made with those stolen programs) from a game engine they don't own, nor do they respect it's terms of use.

I can understand not wanting your hard work to be crapped on, but putting into Halo is a big, big mistake.

If someone wants to make high-quality content for nobody to steal, they should learn to make their own encrypted engine to put their models in and use free programs, or purchase 3DS Max and Photoshop.

Also, let me just say, Hunter. The way you act, does NOT make me want to respect your hard work. I own various beta builds of big, BIG projects, but I have enough respect for the people to not want to leak their stuff. You on the other hand, show zero respect to anybody with a different opinion. Telling people they need to die for supporting ripping and open sourced materials? Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you immature and a bunch of kids? If you want the sort of respect I show these other people, don't act like a selfish child and people may consider it. Until you get off your high horse and change your arrogant attitude, don't expect people to think too highly of you or respect your point of view.

Also, anybody know where I can view the EULA? I can't seem to find it
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 8, 2009 at 04:54 AM

Personally, I'd like to see the app released so the whole drama will be over with.

I can't view a single Halo modding youtube video without people complaining about rips. I can't post a link to a UT3 Master Chief model without people whining that it was ripped from the H3 beta... it really, really gets old after a while.

Fun fact: Models and even programming code for Unreal is completely open sourced. Anyone can modify it. That said, take a look at this:



http://wiki.runestorm.com/index.php?title=UT3_Gallery

I don't hear THESE guys whining about people ripping their models and game code. Their very original and very, very well-made, highly-detailed models, textures, and complex weapon code that they made from scratch.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 8, 2009 at 05:08 AM

There should be a file labelled Eula.rtf in your HCE root folder.

forgive my lack of originality, but...




All joking aside, I'm noticing you continue to disregard everything I direct at you. Why is this, Hunter?
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 8, 2009 at 05:27 AM

Even if you release an unprotector, someone will just make a new protector that the unprotector can't unprotect. Y'all are just being gripey over this whole thing when it's easily possible to fix. People make new stuff and old stuff gets wasted. That's how I see this whole thing. If people are still bickering over the fates of the maps and the content from two years ago, then y'all need to grow up.

Hunter: Please leave. You make the same stupid comments everytime you post. You claim you want people to respect eachother's work, but at the same time you're doing this for yourself. You WILL release a map and you WILL probably gripe about someone hacking it. Like it's been said tons of times, if you don't want it hacked, use a different encryptor or don't put it in Halo. I don't know why you wouldn't want someone else using your stuff, especially if you're the first one to release it publicly, but I suggest you stop participating in this thread and actually carry out your leave. You're the one who we dislike here, not because of your opinion over map protection, but because the quality of your opinion is so miserable we're tired of hearing it.

Marka: Agreed. That's why I removed 3ds from my computer.

Recycle: Instead of releasing an unprotector, you might as well release the tags you gain with the permission of the creator. No blackmail. If I unprotected Snowgrove and asked CMT if I could release the tags, then I'd probably remain dignified while at the same time no one is outraged. Only do this at the discretion of the creator though.

All: Ask permission before using or releasing content that was otherwise meant to be kept protected.

That's not entirely true. People also count the BSP. Look at Sciophobia. It has a spectacular BSP, but classic weapons. Many people still download and play that. Look at the favorite maps of 2007. Autumn Slay. It has a great BSP, but again, just classic tags. People still played it.

Autumn Slay has a terrible BSP.

Certain elements of it look nice.

Autumn Slay was the first "big" map ever made for Halo CE. It was also the first to change the look of the forest enviroment. It is a pretty map and people forgive its flaws because it is in fact pretty.

Well excuse me. It's slightly pretty IMO. The BSP's cliffs look a little funky and it's not portaled right. For forestry scenes, at first glance, it looks nice. However, it was far from very pretty IMO.

For all the stuff you say about saying to others to grow up, you really need to do it yourself. Honestly, you sound like a 13 year old having a hissy fit. Learn to accept others opinions and move on.

E1:

Probably will happen.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Jun 8, 2009 at 08:02 PM

Hunter, relax man. Its not like you release maps any ways lol

If I were you, I'd reflect on what has happened on these forums.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 8, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Just remember guys, properbot and recycle bin are the same people.
http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm%3Fpage=topic&topicID=25907
Edited by jacknme on Jun 9, 2009 at 01:32 AM

he did say that in the post you quoted, just so you know

So, Bin. What programming language you usin to make the unprotector?

I need to get some programming under my belt, and.. what better way than to try my hand at one and see what I can come up with ;D

A map will not unprotect if it is protected irreversibly?
THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!

Where did you get Bloodshed?

Same way how you cant divide by Zero.

Good thing the new Spv2 maps and Zteams new maps being released are going to have way better protection than HEK+'s

or he could just work on a program that rebuilds the strings list for the names of teh tags =P solves irreversible protection and any encryption

Also to protect your maps for good just make your map with irreversible protection then no one can retrieve them well until the above is done.
Edited by new101 on Jun 9, 2009 at 07:32 PM

You cant if you dont even know the name of the tags.

does anyone else find it ironic and amusing that the person who started this thread is named "peace lover"?