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I swear Hunter has me on his ignore list.

It's like I'm talking to a wall.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 6, 2009 at 04:34 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: MartynLeeBall
And who is my audience in this post? 9 - 15 year olds it seems like.

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You are too ill minded to actually understand and listen. So this is my last post on this bullsh*t. I am wasteing my time with you. Release the un-protecter I don't really give a sh*t now. I am hopind that Dennis will ban my IP. Leave you f*ckers to rip peoples work, and learn anything due to the fact there is no need.

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Everyone... I would believe cares about credit I don't think anyone really has to argue about that, but why protect the tags you made when you can't own them and only possess them. Sure they are your hard work, but Halo CE modding is a hobby it not your life long dream (if it is... then I.D.K what to say... maybe say sorry that you don't want a career???)

If they don't feel like sharing that fine no one forcing them to un-protect the tags. It kinda like the principal won't force you to serve detention, but you wont graduate if you don't. (something like that I think???)

Quote: --- Original message by: Lord_Lelouch
umm... Marka was it by accident that your entire post looks like a quote???

anyway to get back on topic should I dare to ask the status on recyclebin's un-protector??

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But if you made them, you automatically own them.

Essentially, you're being forced.

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Sigh... no it more like you sat here and complaigned about how immature we all were and ranted and tried to force us to see your way there is a different from your posts and his.

He states he doesn't approve of a un-protector he doesn't complain like a baby that if recyclebin made one that his reputation would be destroyed and he doesn't rant about how protecting maps is some GOD GIVEN right or something. For goodness sakes it a game.

Games have purposes too.

It like you wana force your views onto us Hunter.. when you post hostile comments you get hostile answers and people won't try to see your view.

He's probably exasperated that you aren't getting his message. You aren't trying to see our view anyway.

He not commanding people not to make one he simply saying he doesn't approve of it...

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But if you made them, you automatically own them.

Essentially, you're being forced.

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Law states otherwise. Microsoft "owns" them.
Edited by Marka Haiyana on Jun 6, 2009 at 05:53 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
That's a great idea! If Bungie and Microsoft own everything, why don't we beg them for CMT's tags?

People have their own reasons as to why the want to be "greedy". You see many people who protect their tags, as those who want to hide away their stuff. If you thought things over from another's perspective, you might be able to see why they do this. Think it over.

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Right that beyond my mental capacity lets go with that.

Don't understand that sentence

The only reason I see to protect a map is if your tags will destroy someones HEK content.

So if an author's dying wish is to leave it protected, you want to violate that wish?

Otherwise you should be nice and share. If you don't got enough common sense to realize games have only been around for maybe 10 years or so and people use to entertain themselves with throwing balls and sticks around.

Throwing sticks and balls counts as a game. Check the dictionary definition.

Because In my experience if you had this common sense you would know that fighting over who made what tags and hiding all your "toys" to yourself will only make people mad at you and your "toys" wont be so much fun to play.



Tell me what happens when you hold something in someone face and practicly brag about it?? I believe it quite clear you get it taken away... at least that how it use to be when you were little. ( or well when i was little maybe that why you all think you got some writes to this stuff, parents never taught you to play nice )

I don't believe that you've never bragged to someone in your life before. It's human nature to be better than others. That is undeniable.
Edited by Lord_Lelouch on Jun 6, 2009 at 06:28 PM
Edited by Lord_Lelouch on Jun 6, 2009 at 06:30 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: jesse

If someone doesn't want to share, they simply do NOT have to, just because you can't make your own, you're going to whine when others protected their stuff?
Edited by jesse on Jun 6, 2009 at 06:46 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: Lord_Lelouch
So with that if their a protector in place shouldn't there also be a un-protector to therefore null the issue completely.

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everything in halo belongs to Bungie and Microsoft

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That true, but Halo CE or rather HEK was released for modding and the EULA states it all bungies and microsofts so once again why are people claiming it as their own??


Also i fail to see how the un-protector provided by HEK+ un-protects... if anything that just for un-protecting if A you know the password. and B if you know the password

This is why the argument continues because A & B still amply *you must know password*
Edited by Lord_Lelouch on Jun 7, 2009 at 12:37 AM

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Simple because just as protections prevents something un-protecting takes away the protection... and if it requires a password it isn't really an un-protector rather it just security protocol. Un-protector would be something that removes encryption without knowledge of the security code.

Quote: --- Original message by: Lord_Lelouch
Simple because just as protections prevents something un-protecting takes away the protection... and if it requires a password it isn't really an un-protector rather it just security protocol. Un-protector would be something that removes encryption without knowledge of the security code.

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Yes this is true, but from my knowledge its all free anyways as the only thing you do when you make tags is waste money (time = money) as you can't make a profit on it.

As for me it wouldn't be about time, money, or "wanting a specific tag" it more along the lines in my opinion that their are people like me who can in no way model are own stuff. (I been trying for two years and my crap is worse than some beginners here still.)

I realize it not an easy concept to model your own things, but I actually don't have the mental capacity to draw or make 3d models.

Here my example: "I failed art every year I had... I mean I literally failed it. I took a test that said I fail at Artistic ability and am only better than 1% of the current people in society, I even failed my carpentry class.... only class i didn't fail was machine tool and that because you made things using directions and not from scratch"

Now this really had nothing to do with protecting or un-protecting I'm just saying there are people out there who can't model, and modelling is one of the big parts of custom content.

So, another reason i would approve of an un-protector is for people who honestly can't do such things no matter how hard they try to be able to still use the things that they may of wanted to make. I myself though instead of un-protecting maps, have tried to ask people to make stuff, but that doesn't always go over so well, and you still have to credit them later for the job so it not like it makes it the person's own creation.

(and yes an un-protector defeats the purpose of protection... just as a 50 caliber sniper rifle defeats the purpose of armor) Everything should be in balance and then their are no arguments.

Quote: --- Original message by: Lord_Lelouch
Yes this is true, but from my knowledge its all free anyways as the only thing you do when you make tags is waste money (time = money) as you can't make a profit on it.

As for me it wouldn't be about time, money, or "wanting a specific tag" it more along the lines in my opinion that their are people like me who can in no way model are own stuff. (I been trying for two years and my crap is worse than some beginners here still.)

I realize it not an easy concept to model your own things, but I actually don't have the mental capacity to draw or make 3d models.

Here my example: "I failed art every year I had... I mean I literally failed it. I took a test that said I fail at Artistic ability and am only better than 1% of the current people in society, I even failed my carpentry class.... only class i didn't fail was machine tool and that because you made things using directions and not from scratch"

Now this really had nothing to do with protecting or un-protecting I'm just saying there are people out there who can't model, and modelling is one of the big parts of custom content.

So, another reason i would approve of an un-protector is for people who honestly can't do such things no matter how hard they try to be able to still use the things that they may of wanted to make. I myself though instead of un-protecting maps, have tried to ask people to make stuff, but that doesn't always go over so well, and you still have to credit them later for the job so it not like it makes it the person's own creation.

(and yes an un-protector defeats the purpose of protection... just as a 50 caliber sniper rifle defeats the purpose of armor) Everything should be in balance and then their are no arguments.

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Lord_Ledouche, your logic is completely idiotic.

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Sigh... only people who will hate recycle-bin are the ones who feel their work is superior to everyone else's. Everyone else should understand that it just a game and it not like anyone is making a profit off any of the content put into halo ce maps and mods.



I'm starting to strongly agree with this comment^
Edited by Lord_Lelouch on Jun 6, 2009 at 02:54 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: UnevenElefant5

So rip from UNPROTECTED maps. Don't go around taking content the map's creators don't want you having. If you're gonna rip, rip from open sourced maps. There's a lot of open sourced maps with good content if you need it.

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One day Lelouch, when you put hours of time and tons effort into modelling, texturing, animating, debugging, and tagging, you will understand why some people protect tags. It's their choice so back off. You don't see us coming in here unexpectedly and derailing the topic just to try and tell people that protection is right so what the hell gives you the right to come in here and tell everyone protection is wrong?

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Wait.........people are going to hate me if I release my unprotector?

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Yeah, it worked.