So wait, since the h3mt thread got deleted again im guessing that h3mt arent gonna be showing their work for a while now?

anyways are you going to put some kind of crashed elephant? or something like it?

Correct. Experience has so far proven that maps with custom weapons are unbalanced for multiplayer game play.

There's a first for everything.

That doesn't mean it's going to happen soon.

It also doesn't mean it's not going to happen at all, there is always a chance...

Acctually, were making shure that our weapons are balanced dennis. Thats like our second priority.

That should be your first.

This.

Dennis, I respectfully disagree. IMO, the weapons that came with the Halo 1 game are extremely unbalanced. The AR is like an SMG, and yet the pistol is more powerful than a BR? That is not balanced. But, then again, neither are some custom maps, such as Coldsnap and Chaos Gulch. I think that CMT, Z_Team, and H3t/H3MT are very good at making balanced maps. And I think this Sandtrap remake could be very good if we give it a chance and not tear it apart.

PS:Sorry for any errors. I got hit with a discus at track yesterday and my arms acting funny.

I agree that the pistol in the original game is "over powered" in comparison to the AR, However so far I have seen only a very, very few maps with custom weapons that come out balanced. My main complaint is that people make custom weapons just to make custom weapons and give no thought to how they will fit into the level they intend to use then with. In any game there is a balance that needs to be struck between the level design and the weapon design and most people who jam custom weapons into a map never even consider it: They just think It’s cool to have a big gun!

This map is a re-creation of a Bungie level, granted it is from Halo 3, but the level was designed with the standard Halo 3 weapon set in mind. For the most part the Halo 1 and Halo 3 weapons are similar enough and the Bungie heat maps show that most people use the basic weapon set on that level. Once you start cramming other weapons into the level it will change the game play. As a level designer you need to think of these things and get your mind out the “coolness” of a new weapon.

My maps feature balance WHEN they upload to the sight. Just don't tell selentic or he'll rate it a 1.
Edited by DarkHalo003 on May 7, 2008 at 04:14 PM

How would you know? Nobody ever plays them. :o

I test with shielded bipeds of course! An entire clip of direct hits from my crossmodded AR is efficient enough for one kill, but during reload you can be beaten down senselessly. =/

makes me feel all fuzzy inside to know that i was responsible for like.... 14 of the kills on those heatmaps. there is a problem with remaking this map without custom weapons, and that problem is that the map was designed with the halo 3 engine, vehicles, and weapons in mind. alot of things in halo 3 cannot be replicated with CE's engine. things such as the spartan laser, the elephant, even the battle rifle (yeah i know, i was surprised too). sandtrap is a map for vehicles, so if you cant make the vehicles work right, or put the spartan laser as an anti vehicle weapon, well it will be unbalanced ANYWAY

Unless that weapons is practically an exact repilica of the halo 3 weapons >_>

thats the thing. there are limits to the engine that dont allow you to perfectly replicate things. the battle rifle even. in h3 it shoots a 3 round burst, in ce is shoots like... 3 bullets at the same time using the burst function. even the simple change in speed messes up the balance. in h3 u need to keep your reticle on the body and get all 3 shots in, but in ce they all either hit at once or dont hit at all.

Or make a fire effect to shoot the last 2...

How is it unbalanced if everyone gets access to the overpowered weapon?
And why does the beam rifle have so few kills? It is much better than the human sniper.
And i just noticed that Beam Rifle is BR just like Battle Rifle.

its fun on big team battle XD

Sure when and if it uploads to the site.

Refering to the Heat maps and the BR, the one or two times I've played H3 the Br seems to be a primary weapon, as its located all over the tunnel systems. Is that why the heat map is so large?

Yeah, cause I remember when I played on Live at my friend's house, that weapon was always laying around. It was nearly impossible not to pick one up and kill somebody with it.

yeah, i only use like three weapons on sandtrap the battle rifle, the sniper(i hide as far out in the dunes as i can without getting hit by mines), and the spartan laser. the only time i can remember using any other weapons frequently on that map was when halo 3 first came out and i was running around the map picking up every weapon and firing it like a retard

Yeah, but we can't add a crap BR to the map. It has to be accurate and actually delivers pure headshots. Also, Sandtrap BR's don't retain the same feel in first person if it is not H3 styled. Any other BR would feel out of place I think.
Edited by DarkHalo003 on May 12, 2008 at 04:53 PM

Welcome to the Halomaps.org forum! The hell of Halo! First off, we love proper grammar, and it'd be nice if you used it. Second, beta testers have pretty much been chosen, and coming in here new just lowers your chances, no offense. Third, LONGSWORDS RUIN MAPS and the map will NOT have 50 billion hornets, maybe not even 1! Fourth, you don't need them to send you the map, it will most likely be uploaded to this site in the HALO CE MAPS section.

actually the human sniper is better, it has a less visible contrail, more shots before reload and is slightly more powerful

NTM, you don't have to worry about overheating in two shots.

yea that too, the only thing the beam R has over the human sniper is that its not as load.
but it still has a freaking purple contrail that immediately gives away your position

I always liked the Beam Rifle :( Made me feel like a Gundam XD

Plus, the Beam Rifle's reticle is (IMO) easier to aim.

Rozar's right. Its not quite long enough.

No, they're supposed to be inset into the main part of the building right now they're just sticking up at the edge of it. the model looks okay but is pretty inaccurate and could be much better. I hope whoever is fixing it (GRUNT?) makes it look better.

SOMEONE CALLED???

Didnt you say you were fixing up the model? am i correct in saying that?

He's waiting for me to fix some holes in the model, I'm not looking at the map right now but I believe those pillars are set in, in the actually model.

Yeah they are, you can pick apart the other things wrong in this pic, but there are obvious things I changed on purpose. I referenced some of them in an earlier post.


Edited by YakZSmelk on May 14, 2008 at 09:53 PM


Edited by YakZSmelk on May 14, 2008 at 09:54 PM