I could take a crack at it. I got a pretty good handle on it with an unreleased map. Add me on Xfire (killdill101) and I'll send you a DL link if you want to see. No obligations.

Great sky!

Oh and check your pm's jesse, i've uploaded my effects for you.

First of the sky was made by Conscars.
Secondly, the Battle Rifle's scope shaders are awesome.

And that sky is very unoptimized.

wow just wow

TRUE DAT!

So I sent the map to be portaled for testing purposes, and it appears that even with proper portalling, it won't be enough to circumvent the 16k poly limit for on-screen rendering. It is suggested that I simplify some of the geometry, and I'll let you guys read the PM down below.:


Hey,

So I'm looking at your model now - you actually ingamed this beast? I'm impressed lol

I have some suggestions before I start portalling:

Some general guidelines:

You have a lot of backfacing geometry that has little impact on gameplay. I strongly urge you to remove it (see below for some of the worst areas)

Where those target-board things pop-up in H3, there are holes modelled into the floor - they should be removed

Fill in all the ramps/columns that are made up of those panels (not the panel-walls on top of the sniper towers, but the ones that build up the structures and have considerable empty space in them). You can save a ton of polies by filling these spaces in, and you can still have those transparent fences (though behind the fences you would see concrete instead of empty space). Again, see below for specifics.

You should fly around the model and look for any areas that aren't accessible and try to reduce the poly count.



Specific recommendations:

Fill in these columns instead of keeping them hollow:





**I've got to ask, are you trying to get 100% accuracy with the BSP? If so, I understand why you modelled it that way, however, filling in these areas will not affect gameplay (the thin slits between these panels are extremely hard to effectively shoot through in H3 anyway) and you'll save a bunch of polies on faces that are hardly noticeable in the first place.**

Here are some other areas that I would recommend filling in:



**This also goes for all other panels like this**



**This ramp, and other ramps like it**



**This L-ramp here, this is one of the worst ones. Super high-poly, lots of backfaces. I know you can see under it in H3, but personally I don't think it's worth it for such a minor detail. Plus, you can't shoot through that fence in H3 anyway.**

I hope you can accept some of this feedback, I'm looking forward to helping you on this project. Even portalling off the insides of those structures won't be enough to keep the map running smoothly (not to mention making all the geometry render properly).
Edited by Jesse on May 2, 2014 at 07:09 PM

Interesting, i've never heard of that guy/girl.

Kinda hard to see from those pictures (low resolution), but it looks like some areas could yield optimization, such as the floors. Evne if you cut down on small amounts of triangles, they will add up. I also noticed you have small details on other things, like the panels on the walls. Optimizing those would also be good. Don't forget you have the option of scenery, which can help make up for some of the detail lost.

It is I.

The main issue with the BSP is the high amount of backfacing/unnecessary geometry in the areas I pointed out in the pics. I recommended that Jesse fill in some of these areas in order to save polies, as well as simplify portalling. Part of my plan was to use exact-portals to portal off the interiors of the ground floor of the sniper towers, but they aren't closed-off if the columns remain in their current state.

In a previous PM I mentioned that those two sniper towers (which Jesse said were problematic in terms of rendering due to their high polycount) likely weren't the only culprits. By this I'm trying to say that there were likely other high-poly areas of the BSP that might be causing the on-screen poly limit to be exceeded.

The BSP technically could still be portalled, but the areas with the highest polycounts could be optimized further to avoid the need for overly complicated portalling (which is known to have a negative impact on performance/drawing, much in the same way as lack of portalling).

I already got a dump truck to fill in one of those areas with cement; that cuts out about 1000 polies (I still have two more sections to do).

It still looks good, and I managed to keep it in style of the map.

Nice, that's pretty significant. 1000 polies just on one side? Or after its mirrored?

Also dump truck lolll

Just one side. It should amount to about 2,000 when mirrored, but I expect that number to increase (overall decreasing polys) once I can fill in the rest later on.

a frog in a bog hit his head on a log and the noise went "bump!"
oh, and hows this going then? be ready for ce3? i see ur doing stuff for cmt too

is dis projeckt ded?

Dis proyect iz n0t d34d, jaunluis2 w1ll f1n1sh he alwaYz d0 all tehhs stUff br0.