Actually, our learning capacity is often at our greatest after we have observed or copied.

I see nothing wrong with trying to recreate maps from other OS systems. Keep up the good work jesse! Btw once you get to the sapien phase, could you keep both teams spawning points a little more sporadic?

The only problem I found with H3Foundry was bumping into a tango after a second, a little tiresome after a while. Otherwise great work!

- Happy fan

Everybody needs to learn their skills and limits. If you have no accurate gauge of either, you will never succeed. As AscendantJustice said, copying usually shows your capacity to learn.

Also note that Jesse isn't ripping anything here, the entire BSP is being modeled by hand and the HUD he made custom back from Foundry. The only real rips here are probably the weapons and some of the textures.

And the objects that will be populating the map are ripped.
Edited by 1bobsam1 on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:15 PM

plasma pistol needs to have more purple in it and the grip needs to look more rubber

Personally, I find the speedy confrontations necessary for H1 multiplayer. Important factors like the sheer amount of lag/leading in a typical game, how many players are even there, and to a lesser extent the inaccurate weapon stats/poor balance and the ineffectiveness of melee all contribute to how Halo 1's multiplayer can be played. Keep in mind, no matter how similar a map is to another game, it will always be played as Halo 1.

Don't get me wrong, never will there be a case in any game where spawning with an enemy aiming at you is a good thing, but considering all the limitations of Halo, whatever can be done to get people into the fight faster I feel is needed. No one wants to trek into the field just to get immediately killed by a nade or power weapon, or loose in lengthy lag-fueled firefight.


All I can provide as an example is a relatively recently recorded game on Foundary of 5~6 players. It never took too long to get back into the fight when I did happen to go down:
http://youtu.be/087dv5ll5I4

That gameplay was beautiful :o

Leading isn't as much of an issue as it used to be. Most servers run SAPP no-lead, which makes the game feel more like H1 Xbox LAN, aka higher fidelity towards the way the game was designed to be played.

I must agree though that speedy confrontations are key to Halo's gameplay. The trick is to always find an enemy player within a few seconds BUT not to see them spawn (with proper spawn point placement, the engine is designed not to let enemy players see other players spawning - that is, unless a well-coordinated team spawn-traps the opposing team). Check out different spawn-point configurations used in competitive/MLG forge variants from H3 to get an idea, then test test test.

I'll model all of the objects I can, but I'll used extracted textures. There isn't much scenery in The Pit anyway. Some obvious examples of what I WON'T be modeling are the pelican and warthog outside the main level. That's apparently what spelled doom for Penguin...

what are you planning on for the grav lifts?

I'll probably go with Kirby's method, or I could just use a simple ladder :v

Or even a teleporter, I don't really see why not :o
Edited by Jesse on Nov 26, 2013 at 04:10 PM

I logged onto Xfire today and received this map file....















No SMG?
Half map
UV errors
NO PELICAN
only found a sniper rifle

such tragedy
nothanks
much disappoint
not amaze
Edited by Invader Veex on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM

strected textures
horrible shaders
not even custom. its a rip from halo 3

worse map ever

Gentlemen, please. Be patient and give Jesse some time. I'm sure he'll add the SMG soon.

8/3 Doges
such play
much graphics
such variety
too pro
such future
wow

plz use open sauce so it can be hd

Learning Pythagoras?

I typically break things before I fix them.

Looking good jesse. It's been great to see how much your skills have been improving since the development of foundry.

Ever check out Halo 4's Pitfall? (No hate please).



This would be awesome as hell to see in CE, but would obviously 100% require open sauce.
Edited by Ki11erFTW on Nov 27, 2013 at 05:42 AM

Oh Pitfall.... they broke you in Halo 4.

ftfy (and yes i do hate h4, but i have reasons)

jesse, i'd love to see this as an OS .map with quality textures and LODs, foundry's LODs needed love and attention, i hope you'll be able to make this one even better.

lol

nice gameplay but getting real tired of people who cant shoot and just spray and punch

look man, i'm not trying to argue with anybody. i don't know why your coming across so defensive, if u want i can rephrase what i said.

i'd very much like to see this project done up as a .map with support for OS enhancements, and also include some excellent quality h3 textures compressed in a way that doesn't kill the detail or add any sound. i'd also like to see better LODs, because the ones in foundry didn't look very good to me.

now that that's out of the way, i never mentioned mipmaps so there's no need to point those out, i thought the ones in foundry looked fine. lastly to say i don't know what i'm talking about is kinda rude, i'm trying to give constructive feedback, in a way that people understand. i don't quite get why that's such a big deal.

Actually, I spent a considerable amount of time working on the LODs, and each model that had them (nearly all of them) were perfectly tuned so that they wouldn't change at a distance where you would notice, and this was done to stop objects from 'popping' when using LODs.


Here are my examples of the LODs from when I began creating them:









These are just a few of course.

Of course.

Don't forget that it's all based on your screen resolution. If you run the game at 1920 x 1080p, you won't see the LODs pop in unless you are completely across the map. If you change it to 600 x 400, you only need to be a few yards away for them to show up.

yeah i know, i guess my post processing (non OS) made them appear differently for me. i'll take it back then since i guess it just didn't look the same in my game.

Wow, didn't know that. Is it solely the resolution that is the determining factor, or more so the aspect ratio? Like will 16:9 pop at the same distance while 4:3 does so at different distances?

According to Guerilla, it's based on how many pixels the object is taking up on the screen.

*Bump*


Couldn't stop gushing over Jesse's work.

And to keep this comment moderately on the same page as this thread, here are a few foundry game plays of my own. And a [HUN] {SS} one too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZaczaYRqC8 - Foundry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqkP0uEiQg - Foundry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7iYXJdDl8Y - Foundry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-7K3lgQaM8 - [HUN] {SS}
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I am not in any way taking a dig at Jesse or any other BSP maker.

(Far be it from me to judge, others who are more capable than 100 of me put together)

But the greatest maps are often the precursor of people who take a part in testing a WIP MP map, avidly and give detail pro's and con's of the match.

And secondly it makes a great deal of good if the map maker actually played halo custom edition from time to time. It really would give you a better approach as to tackle the balance between:

A beautiful map - And a game play friendly map.



To sum up guys, making your map as sexy as possible doesn't really help you gain popularity unless you actually partake in what Gamer's like and need.

I.E: Play some Halo Custom Edition!


- 1 more thing. (Jeez I have type writing diarrhea) I am not exactly sure how to make the grade for a WIP Mp map tester, but if you need a tester Jesse I'd be happy to help!

> I am more trustworthy than Obama

> Your map will not appear on wikileaks

> I really would like to become more involved in projects like these, in any way that I can.


- Avid fan.



46.249.47.12:2535

I don't like this statement. Yes, popularity is not exactly in cohesion with the beauty with the map/game, etc... But if people went by those rules we probably would have never got some very interesting and exciting maps in this game, let alone, a lot of other indie games that take artistic freedom. A lot of times its not about what the "gamers" want, its about what the developer wants to create and show through a game.

i love that "more trustworthy than obama" part, literally almost everyone is more trustworthy than our president. i mean come on, a democrat who says he'll lower taxes, obvious lies even before he was in office. (also i thought jesse was mexican so he may not understand the reference)

Can Mexicans not also be Americans?

Obama this likes this

i never meant to imply that, i was merely saying he MAY not understand the reference if he doesn't keep up with american politics. many americans don't even keep up with american politics.