Everyone in this thread is a bunch of cry babys, including ShadowSpartan (whos always been one) and Rosanna. You both act ridiculously childish. If you want respect for what you do start acting like it. You will always get hatemail or people who want new features. Don't listen to them, because they aren't going to learn. Instead of listening to the people in this thread that whine and complain, take a break from the forums and start doing the content creation without the input of others if it really bugs you so much. You act like your doing the community some huge favor, which is a terrible mind set in any part of creating something.
Edited by Higuy on Feb 3, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Peace, everybody! Let's all just chill out!

That easier said than done when you're trying to bring people new content and do them a service, and all you get for it is a kick in the teeth and a 'f­**k you'.

I'm not taking credit for anybody's work here. As far as I'm concerned, the only credit I can take is for making this topic and continuing to try and get more content for the community to use. I don't expect people to get down on their knees and start kissing my feet for that, but I would appreciate a little more than 'hey, you're a total b­itch for not doing things my way'. It's difficult to want to continue when the community is so toxic.

The the community: take a look at what you're complaining about, and then realise what your lives would all be like if you didn't have these tools. Nobody's asking you all to be servile and mindless when they're released, but do have a little respect for the people taking time out of their lives to get you this stuff.

You are not understanding me.
This app is for people who are making maps?
But you are considering people's opinions who don't even map over those who do?
Why?

I like Adjuntant but there is people who thinks what make all by them self they get the same place what CMT even if they are trying to make a copy of halo 3/4/reach the haters always gonna hate, but this community would not be the same without you guys.
Edited by Horeb on Feb 3, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Yet again, its so funny hearing this from you given your stance a couple months ago about not caring whose code and research is actually being used in tools.


I know this was a reply to Masterz, but I'll go ahead and reply to it. That is exactly what Gravemind did, albeit using other people's work...and look at how that turned out. You are making next to no progress on something that is a total wreck underneath because he did not understand the stuff himself. Yet again, you have not done any of those things yourself. How about you take your own advice and try to make your own tool from scratch?


Really now? You are so quick to attack me, so who is being childish now? I was stating facts, simple as that. If you don't like it, then fine. You honestly have no idea what I have been doing the past couple of months, so you really shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly. This community has always been about getting their hands on whatever they want no matter the cost, not caring who did the work in the end just as long as they got their ripped content from games. That is what is wrong with the community, and it is what stops people like myself from releasing better tools. It looks to me like Rosanna is now starting to see the true nature of this community.

Whoa whoa whoa, settle it down everyone! Do we really have to fight over this matter?

One that makes a huge deal about every single little thing they dislike...

The difference here is that I'm simply working on the foundation that was built for me. If you want to make any complaints about who did the original footwork on this venture, level them at the guy that you all b­itched off the forum - I've simply inherited the work Gravemind gave me, and now I'm trying my hardest to figure out how to fix it since that's far easier than going out and spending several months learning how BlamLib works, and then trying to construct something around it.

If I've gotten even as far as I currently have, it's by standing on the shoulders of giants. No matter how or where I start from with this topic, I'm going to have to lean on somebody's work in order to make sense of this. The same applies for anybody else undertaking a venture like this - somewhere along the line, you're going to have to leverage somebody else's tools or research. There's absolutely no avoiding that, I don't make any apologies for making use of the resources available to me.

The reason I personally haven't gotten anywhere is that I'm having to learn a new programming language to even make sense of this project and continue where Gravemind left off. Elijah has been the one to do most of the work, and has kindly pointed me in the right direction with a great many things, and for that I thank him. However, it's all either that, or open up for the community to get off their collective arses and do some work for themselves, for once. I wonder how long something like this would take if left in the hands of you lot?

Well I am sincerely enjoying this thread. Thank you Rosanna for proving my points!

Although I'm confused, if you've done no work and as far as you've gotten is by standing on the shoulders of giants (and by that you mean shadowspartan LOL), doesn't that mean you've done nothing and are just taking credit for what was already done?

Bsp extractorz or gtfo lol.

This Threand maked me remember the latino guys in facebook...
:v Adjuntant is a tool what they give to us the mappers [i don't mean that Rosana and Elijah arent mappers ] we should be happy of that.

> implying I'm taking any credit
> implying I didn't already say that I've not done anything
> implying you can read

Look, no. You're a colossal tool, and you should just stop. Seriously, just stop. First you accuse me of having access to maps I'd never even heard of, and accuse me of withholding content from the community. Now you're telling me that I'm trying to take credit for other people's work, after I just explained how much credit I was actually due, and how much work I'd managed to complete myself.

Frankly, you're a total faglord and you should put a f­**king sock in it. You're embarrassing yourself.

I am pointing out the fact that you are complaining like a child on an internet forum. Man up and take some responsibility for yourself and your creations.

I don't care what you have been doing for the last couple of months, but we have seen what you have done in the past and was also quite childish and immature. Not that you didn't release your project, but how you handled the incident + ones like this (Same goes for Rosanna as well).


You act like your doing the community some gigantic favor by releasing extraction tools + the like to them, but also wanting lots of praise for what you did at the same time.

Lastly, perhaps you should reread my last sentence in my post.

I'm sorry you are talking like you are actually contributing to a project you admit you have done little work on.

I guess I am a tool... but at least I spend my time you know, helping people and not having temper tantrums and calling people faglords like I'm 5. Maybe that's why people like me.

Ok kids, lets play nice.

The reason I haven't done much work is because I've had to go ahead and self-tutor myself in the program's language, C#. Before I can do any meaningful work, I have to make sure I know what I'm doing, otherwise instead of you lot

A - p­issing and whining about the lack of updates ('whurz mah updatez?!')
B - p­issing and whining about the content of the updates ('whurz mah modelz/bitmaps/BSPs?!')

You'll instead

C - p­iss and whine about the quality of the updates ('fu­kken program keeps crashing nub fix naow!')

There is literally no pleasing you. If there isn't an update, you complain. If the update doesn't have the features you want, you'll complain. If you want, I could push the Champions Bundle extraction tool, but it's buggy as all Hell, likely to crash, and won't work with non-Bundle maps - you'll get your update, just like you keep b­itching and whining for, and I'd better not hear a single complaint when stuff breaks, or is incomplete, or turns your computer into a toaster.

If you truly wanted to help, you'd stop being such an egotistical pr­ick who swallows everything he's fed, and maybe offer your help in the project. If you can't do that, then I please invite you to stuff a d­i­ck into your mouth and then sew your lips shut.

You keep acting like I care about this app or have any use for it... I don't.

I came into this thread because

A. You were purposely holding something back (H4 Beta and it's content)
B. You are an ass, and I knew this would upset you.
C. I wanted to make you look like the further idiot you are.

My interest in extracted content for my own uses is pretty much 0, with some sounds being the exception. So keep whining about how I am ungrateful for your work, and how I so desperately want other games content. This app (and any other extraction app) have almost no use to me, other than seeing whatever cut content is not viewable ingame (H4 Revenant).

I would gladly contribute to this project, and everyone in this community knows I am happy to help whoever asks. I will not however, help someone who attacks everyone around them and makes no effort to be respectful of other in the community, and clearly has no place being here.

Except I wasn't. In fact, until you mentioned the Halo 4 Beta, I had no idea it even existed, let alone that there would have been any content within to extract. I am aware that certain placeholder models remain within Halo 4's files (Mk V Spartan models from Halo Reach, for example), but as for a H4 Beta? No. You might have noticed that I haven't exactly set a trend for withholding content, what with my hosting the Champion's Bundle content and even mirroring Adjutant itself - not to mention updating the OP with fixes and issues as I'm made aware of them. I'd like to know exactly how this makes me the type of person to withhold content - honestly, I'd love for you to tell me.

I'm not quite sure how this is making me look like an idiot, but if you're set out to annoy me and slander my name, you're going about it entirely the wrong way. I'd suggest that if you're going to make accusations about my character, you'd better have something of substance to back them up. But since this is the Internet, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from leaping onto a computer and being a complete tosspot, and saying exactly what you like without fear of reproach.

Seriously though, this thread is getting pretty out of hand.
BTW, the main difference I actually know of is that the Halo 4 beta didn't have as compressed textures (no texture discoloration,ect.) and orbital didn't have a skull on it. Also things like hud icons and menu icons were different too.
Edited by ZOBI3KING on Feb 3, 2014 at 07:49 PM

Ignore to mazters just jealous that Rosana is with elijah alot of time.

Oh how quickly we forget eh?

if yous don't stop making this man !mad! he will not do work on it and yous well not have some cool things in halo ce dose not got
o and you done some good work on it
Edited by DOOM899 on Feb 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Lumoria is the pinnacle of human evolution and only the most creative and skilled people on the world could have ever created it.

Actually, it has been proven in another thread that I was not the one going around showing off stuff and gloating about it. I am beyond fed up with being blamed for the stuff that other members of Zteam did in the past, so you need to grow up yourself and stop attacking me every time that I make a post. I did not start this fight, you are the one that started attacking me and calling me childish. Like I said before, I stated nothing but facts in my post yesterday.



You missed my point entirely. Developers, myself included, will not release their stuff if the developers who did the actual work get no respect or recognition whatsoever. I could care less about being praised, I just want credit to be given where credit is due. If the community cannot do that, then they themselves deserve nothing.

A. Please stop making me lol
B. Trolololol
C. Trolololol

Wow, such inelegance. Much troll.

This is all really silly, and Masters, if you are only here to troll Rosanna please leave, we don't want you here. You aren't helping anything but your own ego at this point.



lol'd again.



You know it bro ;)



Not to toot our own horns here, but we kinda are. You know, nothing is stopping you from making your own custom look alike Halo 3/ODST/Reach/4 models - but if we release a extraction tool you will have direct access to the original material (which would probably look better), and will port it into CE or what ever you guys do with them.



Agreed.



Where'd you here that from?

If this is a Usefull, Helpfull Tool why the people is fighting against to the creators
"when you bite the hand who gives you food the hand stop to give you food"
The tool for me is just amazing,

"when you bite the hand who gives you food the hand stops to PIMP SLAP YOU TO HELL!"

Finally a somewhat mature response from you. My source who gave me the beta way back when, also reported to me that you had it, and that Adjutant supports it. When I asked if it was released, they said no, as far as they knew you were keeping it to yourself. I am obviously not going to give up my source, and drag them into a crapfest and therefore obviously I am limited into "proving" anything. Your reaction towards everything only speaks for itself, people can believe what they want to believe.


The only stuff I've ever wanted to protect was CMT MP maps, as it was part of an ongoing project. There is more CMT custom content out there released than any other mod or map team out there. While we have mostly protected content, we always did our best to make sure as much of it could get out there as possible. The reasons for protection were solely to keep the team stable, as some members had expressed their desire to quit if certain content were to be released unprotected. In the end, I ignored those requests and released everything I had, when I dissolved the team.
Edited by Masters1337 on Feb 4, 2014 at 01:41 AM

You know that you posted the test chamber map, right? A 'test' map? You know that a test map is not a beta, right? Straight out and simple, test chamber is in no way, shape, or form, a beta. Why would Rosanna want or need the test chamber map for? She was not included in any aspect of development before Gravemind left the scene, so it would not make since for her to be aware that Adjutant supported it and on top of that she did not know a thing about it till I informed her of it. How would your scores know that Rosanna had the map anyway? In your story were they the one that gave it to both of you? If so, she can do a hell of a lot better job at keeping her mouth shut in place of playing hero at every chance she can get unlike you.

So now that we are clear on what the test chamber map is, let’s go into how you obtained it. The test chamber map you posted was the first Halo 4 content that people were able to get at, so it was natural for people in the xbox modding scene to get excited about it, and because of this it was very popular and it fell into the hands of people who liked to spread around private content (kind of like you I guess) and eventually it ended up on public file hosting sites.
Now, why did that map open you think? Hmm, it’s kind of a rare map to people who know nothing of the development of games… Ah! It must it must be because Rosanna (who at this point knows nothing of what test chamber is) is using Adjutant to make a secret tag set! *GASP* /sarcasm

Let’s get into the real reason why Adjutant dose support the test chamber. It’s what some of some of the ground work for Halo 4 support was made with, because it was out before the actual game. It makes a good hero story though that evil Rosanna was keeping all the secrets from you the whole time. The fact that it was supported was never hidden, nor was it ever talked about however.



It's this "screw the wishes of the developers" mindset that is common around here that makes people with skills and knowledge literally close the tab they have this forum open in and never come back. You killed any chance of those people in your team from coming back because you had to be the hero and release there aspects of the project against their wishes.

i like barns

So we can boil this down to 'I blindly swallowed down everything I was told, and then ran off slinging mud across the forums at the first opportunity, based on nothing but hearsay, rather than asking Rosanna herself first to find out the facts'.

And you wonder why I'm so angry with you. I honestly wouldn't have minded a mildly-mannered PM asking me if what you knew was true - I would have been more than happy to say 'sorry, this is the first I've heard of this, but if it's true, feel free to make a post about it in the thread so other people can use this information'. But no, instead, you took it upon yourself to don your shining white knight's armour, clamber up on your horse, and mount a one-man crusade against somebody who didn't even know what the f­**k was going on.

Contrary to your beliefs, I don't actually have access to much more than the stock Halo 4 maps available on XboxDB, the Champion's Bundle content, and Adjutant's current source code. Anything past that is a mystery to which I am most certainly not privy. But, of course, none of this matters when there's mud to be slung, right? The first sign of drama is your cue to start throwing fairly baseless accusations formed from little more than 'by the way, I heard this' rather than making an informed opinion yourself. That's pretty pathetic, and there's little wonder my reaction to you was less than pleasant.

Maybe next time you might want to hold yourself back from slinging mud around, and actually dig up the facts first, before you end up making yourself look like a complete boob.

ha ha, you said "boob"...
Seriously, can we please stop the fighting?
No matter who's coding it or if anyone's holding anything back or blah blah blah I find Adjutant to be a very helpful tool that I enjoy using.
Edited by clonecam117 on Feb 4, 2014 at 01:06 PM