Quote: --- Original message by: 032 Mendicant Bias
I believe the main reason as to why these tools were kept from everyone was because of how unfinished they are. There's still a lot of bugs, and quite a bit of assets that we can't extract yet.

Quote: --- Original message by: 032 Mendicant Bias
While you do bring up many good points, in the end it isn't really up to me.

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper
Another point to be made, some of us are perfectionists, so we try to get things as close to perfect as possible before release. Personally, i dont like releasing poorly made assets, because all that does is get people to whine and argue that i have no skill.

My point is made

Quote: --- Original message by: TauSigmaNova
not all of us want this stuff to make CE tags though :(

Quote: --- Original message by: Alexis

So only your assets, and those of a certain "quality" are those of which should exist? With all honestly, I can say that anything YOU create... Good, Bad, Great... Whatever... Will be nothing to anyone next week. Or the week after. Your content will be drown in a sea of Blood Gulch Mods and other random things that now trickle out.

Clearly the "Point" you have made... Is that those involved want exclusive "dibs" on the content to assure a "standard in quality".

Zteam Syndrome.

Quote: --- Original message by: Masters1337
This thread is hilarious on so many levels. A bunch of kids reaping the benefits of someones work who they complain tries to hold them down, while trying to hold down other people. Grow a sack and either do the opposite of the people you've criticized, or shut the fudge up.

Not that ripping content will be necessary in the future anyway.

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper


You fail to grasp my meaning.

I did not say that my assets and my assets alone should be the only ones to exist, as you have implied and/or stated. Some people prefer to have their assets at their maximum level from their ability prior to handing it out to the public.

Take this into consideration, How often do you see game designers simply make a game, and halfway through production, release it; any further additions or whatnot being either a v2 or whatever. Or Engineers and/or Inventors releasing their products before they work out all the kinks? The same essential rule applies here. Another thing, Think about Closed Betas for games, what purpose does that serve? The answer is simple: make it better.

The idea in its entirity is to make everything perfect for the public, or as close to it as possible. Sure it may seem like "Dibs" are in play here, but there's a bit of necessity to it.

I get where you're coming from, as i would appreciate having said content in my hands as well, but at the same time, i understand that incomplete tools with massive bugs aren't exactly too great to posess either

Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33
inb4 ugly ports

Quote: --- Original message by: TDog

All retardedness and "politics" aside, the truth is rather simple if you use your brain:

The community is full of ignorant kids who have nothing better to do. This "upper class" in the community is only doing this to get a reputation. Do you honestly think a bunch of cocky and egotistical teenagers, in AMERICA, are going to spend their time and effort on making something for someone else? No. You don't see people posting magnificent new content with "Anonymous" as the author, do you? I'm sure none of these people would be willing to make this tagset if they wouldn't be able to put their names on it.

Dream on, and grow up. All of you. There is one motive, and one motive only, in this group - to get things before other people do. This is how it is in the entire community, because of the general age group and its associated level of maturity. This holds for everyone except a select few. And I assure you it's none of these people.
Edited by TDog on Apr 2, 2013 at 09:06 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: Thorolf Kveldulfsson

It won't be long until you show off your hideous idea of amazing ports.

Quote: --- Original message by: Bungie LLC



Yes. Yes, you are indeed correct in that conclusion, judging by majority standpoint. However, ultimately, we can become angered, disheartened, or envious due to the fact that more "privatized" groups of Halo: Custom Edition modding possess a more sophisticated number of tools, that would allow them more potential as far as, say, "ripping" assets from a retail game, or providing an enhanced level of quality in certain tags that can not be normally performed in an orthodox method. To dwell on such feelings of disdain towards the groups that are in possession of these tools for betterment of themselves, and not sharing such potential with the community, is all but moot. Ultimately, it is of their own decisions that these "assets" be released; not by our own. In an unprofessional standpoint, one must just "Deal With It," and disregard the thought of possessing such tools, rather than to feel (unkindly) to said groups, and pressuring others of those groups for their release. Some community members are just the kind to "show-off" or foreshadow tags. Again, ultimately, there's nothing we can do about it. This is a free community; it is of the modder(s) preference of how they conduct their modding and releasing of said product.
Edited by Bungie LLC on Apr 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Quote: --- Original message by: Ki11erFTW
One thing i dont get, why waste your time porting everything into halo CE if the farthest its gonna get is in tutorial.map?

I appreciate those who make the tools, but the majority who use them, my god. Put a project together, and make some use for them. If you don't learn how to model BSP's look up tutorials. Back in 2004-2005 we didnt have any of this crap. (other than a few selected people). So most of us were forced to learn.

The tags are nice to see in the game, but not nice to see when ported just to port. What is the honest point of that?

Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh


I'm assuming this is canceled after the leak?

Quote: --- Original message by: jabberwockxeno



Not all of us use this stuff for CE.

I use it in 3ds max for animations and renders. Rips are useful in that respect to ensure I get everything as accurate as possible, particularly if I'm making a scale image or renders for halopedia.

I NEED rips in those cases.

Anyways, i'm concerned this whole thing will scare gravemind into doing something drastic like taking down adjutant.

We just want some transparency into what you are working on behind the scenes.
Edited by jabberwockxeno on Apr 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: Ki11erFTW


3ds is something I could get. I'm directing this at you, if people need them for reference thats a great reason. However we all know there are those handful of people who are gonna post pics of tutorial.map with these things. (its already started).

Quote: --- Original message by: waffles
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqehb0eOK01qktqch.jpg

Impossible to replicate the vast majority of things within the h4 engine with current ce engine capabilities, and theres gunna be a full tagset? Not to mention the amount of models that are already within reach, that haven't even been touched.

Does putting a medal on poo make it that much better?/=/Putting h4 models over stock assets, makes a lacking game engine better?