I'm having an issue ( and as far as I know i'm not the only one with this issue), I just downloaded OS 3.0.1 and Halo won't load, requesting I install directx 9.b. DxDiag confirms I have DX10 and I had a pre-release OS build that worked just fine a couple months ago. I don't remember if I ever had 3.0.0 tho.

That only happens to me if I use OS with xfire. Try exiting xfire?

xfire was off and process terminated. Altho for the record, I fixed after 3 uninstall/install of 3.0.1

I'll hold you to that...

Thats pretty easy, just look at this changelog entry for what changed between when OS prevented start with Xfire, and when it allowed you to be an idiot and crash Halo via Xfire.
Change log here.
Of course, reading it, you can see an extremely simple way to fool it, as it just checks

so if you just rename xfire.exe to zfire.exe, it will run and your game will start crashing again because your no longer protected from your own stupidity *shrug*

Maybe he meant he'd edit OS to work properly without crashing, regardless of whether that message needs deleting or not?

Seriously, you people need to start assuming things more often...

yeah use a good version of winrar that also opens these formats or just use 7zip
http://www.7-zip.org/

Except the fact that it isn't OS that has the problem, its Xfire. Instead, he'd make his own custom Xfire that doesn't act like Xfire.

Hey, just wondering if there is a list of console commands for OS anywhere? I don't wanna look through all the thread's pages trying to find one. if so can i have the link ?

New OS console commands can be found here

Xfire's hooking method works perfectly. The only issue is that it doesn't have an actual .dll file for other apps to hook into.

Couldn't you just force Xfire to use a different .dll file?

No disrespect meant, but do you have any clue what you're talking about? Something's giving me the feeling you don't.

How do you use bloom in open suce like in the video demo of OS?

When I use the console commands in halo ce nothing happens>?

Something's given me the feeling I know I'm right.

Something's also given me the feeling I don't have MUCH of a clue what I'm talking about. I still know a litte bit about .dll files though. There's something called 'catching on' that happens sometimes when you're discussing a topic.

so is anyone working on a OS multiplayer map or single player besides CMT?

why is it when I compile a OS map I get a temporary uncompressed cache file in the map folder.I also get this error in tool OS

Invalid format in data file bitmaps
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

Invalid format in data file sounds
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

Invalid format in data file loc
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

WARNING: 11 clusters in structure_bsp levels\test\tutorial\tutorial have no back
ground sound or sound environment.
pre-processing custom tag instances...
done
culling uncompressed model vertices...done
culling uncompressed structure bsp vertices...done
culling uncompressed model animation data...done
Edited by Spark on Feb 15, 2012 at 07:39 PM

OS HEK won't open a scenario that has blank project yellow references, I think.
Also, make a copy of those scenarios because once you use them with OS HEK, they are automatically incompatible with the stock HEK.

I have a couple generic OS questions that haven't been able to answer yet so if anyone could help...


1. Does OS HEK allow for larger maps in terms of dimension? I know it allows for bigger cache file, bigger tag space but what about terrain size?

2. Does OS allow for More polies in a BSP, model and others and if so, how many?

3. Does OS allow for a greater number of triangles to be displayed on screen before getting disepearing faces?

Wait, what?! When did you discover a max tri count and what is it?

About your dissapearing faces, most likely caused by some other warning or error. I know nearly coplanar warnings will cause such issues and are usually in excess in large tri count maps.

There is a max tri-count for models, for BSP I'm not quite sure tho I know it auto substracts from tag space. As for disepearing faces, Are they really related to co planars? Personally, I fix them by Portalling a level. In the event there's just so much on screen despite portals tho, some Outside environments in which you actually see say 50 000 polies seem to cause this. BSP only tho.

Adding portal's gets rid of the issue, but does not solve the real underlying problem which is the nearly coplanar warnings you just ignored to fix by instead just placing portals. Me and Sali experimented with this issue during our Swampass level development. The level was very small and did not have many triangles at all. It had the dissapearing face problem and we added portals and it temporarily fixed the issue but not all of them. The bases had alot of those warnings which we later found out are the sole reasons for the face clipping. The only max tri count I know of would be the data transferred to a structure bsp that fits the space left till you hit the mapsize limit. The amount of faces that can be in a map I would imagine really is how well your computer can handle the engines rendering engine.

And how did you go fixing nearly coplanars? I've never heard of anyone solving it, even imported SP levels are filled with them. Also, this issue is present in my release RPG_Beta6.2 and the only way to have it occur is to go to a part of the map where you can see All exterior faces.

if i were to host a server with this and devmode, would the other person have to have OS for the gravity change to work, or would the server run it all?

I either made the surface planar... durp. Or I would move the vertexs that made up that surface to make the surface not planar but to the our eye it's such a small movement that the surface still looks planar.

how would i build a map with OS tool? i tried typing

build-cache-file-ex use-memory-upgrades levels\test\bloodgulch\bloodgulch_OS

with and without the "carrots".

I haven't complied a map in about a year, let alone with OS. so sorry.

Usage is:

build-cache-file-ex [mod-name (use empty quotes "" if you don't know why you use a mod-name)] [create-anew (true/false; use false if you don't know why you would use true] [store-resources (true/false; use false if you don't know why you would use true)] [use-memory-upgrades (true/false; use true to build as a .yelo and enable tagspace extensions, map-size extensions, OS-only scripting, etc)] [scenario-name (this is the same as in normal build-cache-file)].

(For the whole mod-name/mod-set things look up the documentation +/ code on the OS wiki; chances are it will not be something you use)

So in your case you would do "build-cache-file-ex "" false false true levels\test\bloodgulch\bloodgulch_OS".
Edited by teh lag on Feb 16, 2012 at 04:54 PM

That's some poor documentation. Instead of saying "if you don't know why to use true" etc, the author should mention WHAT each option actually does, even if it is chinese to the user. At least it then gives him an IDEA of what the options are for and further allows one to research the terms found in the description.

im now getting this error after installing latest version of OS.

os_tool Invalid format in data file bitmaps
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

Invalid format in data file sounds
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

Invalid format in data file loc
### FAILED TO OPEN DATA-CACHE FILE.

WARNING: 11 clusters in structure_bsp levels\test\tutorial\tutorial have no back
ground sound or sound environment.
pre-processing custom tag instances...
done
culling uncompressed model vertices...done
culling uncompressed structure bsp vertices...done
culling uncompressed model animation data...done
building predicted resources for structures...done
processing custom tag instances...done
structure bsp 'levels\test\tutorial\tutorial' is 0.26M
tag headers and names are 0.18M
streaming model vertex and index buffers...done
streaming tagsEAX: 0x00000000
EBX: 0x00000000
ECX: 0xEB5C9CBA
EDX: 0x0324E698
EDI: 0x00000000
ESI: 0x010A11C0
EBP: 0x0012A2B0
ESP: 0x0012A240
EIP: 0x004BA29B, 8B 04 18 03 ?????
5F796B73 ?????
EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION

EXCEPTION (that's all I know!)

+500. Thanks a bunches.

One more thing guys. I edited the gravity and i think i added bloom and stuff. im assuming i need to enable use-memory-upgrades?
EDIT: got it compiled..then it popped up and said something about using scripts from a different version of OS, when i have never used OS before in my life or had it on my PC.it said probably about to crash, and it didnt. and as far as i can tell, no bloom/post processing...
Edited by abkarch on Feb 16, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Edited by abkarch on Feb 16, 2012 at 06:20 PM

If you can upload the map file, I can see which script definition it's wanting to choke on. Before we released 3.0.1, I tested the scripting definitions checks on maps made with 3.0.1 and it worked fine (ie, no messages). If your CheApe.map isn't from 3.0.1, it's going to message you. If you made a map with with a build before 3.0.0 (ie, an unofficial build), then it's going to message you (because we've removed some definitions prior to the first release, eg, structure_bsp_lightmap_reset).

The message is there, and will continue to stay there, because if a scenario has an alien script function/global (eg, if someone tried to play a map with 3.0.1 that used the old structure_bsp_lightmap_reset), the game will execute in a way that will result in a non-descriptive "gathering exception data". This is why maps that use OS-specific script features have to be .yelo files, because the stock game crashes on maps with alien script functions/globals. Even if those things are never executed during game play.

Also, bloom should be off by default in 3.0.1 because too many people complained. And postprocessing doesn't just magically appear, it requires you to add them to maps or setup in your user settings.


@ The quip about poor documentation. If lag was one of the developers, sure, you could rag on him for not expanding on those parameters. However he's not. But they're expanded upon in our wiki. Which no one seems to ever use. Though at the moment I haven't finished the documentation on mod-sets. If people would actually use the wiki, then I would be more inclined to continue actively working on it. But I'm not going to lead a horse to water everyday if they're not going to drink it. Want "better" support? Help me help you. Halo modders out number OS developers.

@ Spark. For the love of Dennis, provide full details of what you did when you get unexpected output (everyone do this, not just Spark). You keep leaving out your command line arguments, but include part of tool's output. I don't know what kind of build setup you're doing so I can't help you at all. And If your original data files are crapped, then I can't help with that. OS won't touch (ie, modify) the stock data files (so it shouldn't be to blame in this case), only the ones that are for a mod-set.

EDIT: As for the comment about increasing the normal rendering limits, refer to our dx9 upgrades setting called "dynamicTriangles", which is off by default.
Edited by kornman00 on Feb 17, 2012 at 02:39 AM
Edited by kornman00 on Feb 17, 2012 at 02:40 AM

See, I am having the same script definition errors with 3.0.1. I have never used a version of OS before 3.0.0.

The only things I have really created since installing OS has been shader_model tags, using the new tag extensions.

Someone else in this thread mentioned I need to reference a Yelo Globals via a Project_yellow in my scenario, Which still doesn't work. Referencing one wasn't necessary before, Is it now?

Edited by Alexis on Feb 17, 2012 at 01:32 PM

Can you post the exact command you are entering into os_tool?

Also I would suggest getting a fresh bitmaps.map, sounds.map and loc.map from somebody; it's possible that at some point you accidentally used OS' mod-sets functionality incorrectly and nuked your stock resource files (mod-sets let you compile your own versions of those specific to a a large mod spread over several maps; probably not something you will use).

Additionally make sure that you don't have a mod name listed in your project_yellow_globals unless you know why you would want one there.
Edited by teh lag on Feb 17, 2012 at 12:53 PM

never mind guys I got it working.

thanks. I did figure out how to properly add the post processing (used the example one).However, i see no sepia effect or motion blur. Still getting the message.

Am i supposed to have a cheape.map in the map directory? there is not one.

cheape.map is in the HCE directory. It's what OSHEK uses for knowing what exists for it to allow them to compile into maps. you can grab the cheape project files in the google code source tab (believe its opensauce\shared\halo1\cheape\) and compile the newest cheape.map in opensauceIDE with that.