I just sit here facepalming over and over again about this thread.. So, limited comes in, warns people in his own fashion. 95% of the people take this warning as a direct assault, and in return, start attacking limited... With limited under attack, he now has to backup his claims, which proving them is more of an attack than his initial warnings. People attack him for backing up his claims, which they attacked him about initially. Everyone is forcing him on and on. Limited is against e3p0 based on his past, and yet everyone is attacking limited on similar grounds; that hes been a modacity member... All of you people are telling him to not attack e3p0 based on these grounds, yet you have no problem attacking him.... I am sincerely disappoint in all of you.

Warning people and then hating on a guy are two diffrent things, if it was a warning than it would've stayed that way but than it turned into a bash thread.

My point was simply that we do not need this drama.
We know about e3po here, i dont see why limited feels the need to cause this drama.
If all he is doing is warning us, then "thank you Limited"
So that is the end of it then?

I try to stay out of this as type of drama much as possible but I have to interject here to put this in perspective. Precisely because of his past actions and conduct Halo Maps will not host nor link to any .EXE file developed by E3PO that we can not disassemble to verify it does not contain malware or phone home. His actions in the past, which I will not go into, have earned his products this distrust.

I allow this discussion because not everyone may feel the same way and I do not engage in vendetta's. I do however have a responsibility to protect the reputation and trust of this website and to that end will not host or link to his developed programs. You are free to do as you wish.

Contradiction right here people.

^ Were over it way to not let it die....

Everyone should read this twice and then look at how stupid you are if you still defend E3PO. How can you say you value this game and community yet support the one guy who has gone out of his way to screw it all up, by trying to attack and destroy Dennis's, this sites, and this communities integrity.

I don't like E3PO, but I'm not the type of person to go out of his way to attack him even though I can't stand him and think he's a slimy untalented runt. If you care about the game and community, do something to show it, don't defend a boy who's tried to tear it down.

E3p0 is CE3's new Co Host so it looks like he turned anew leaf. Way to judge some one on there past and not present. Thats not right and people should grow up. Learn a person who they are now, not who they were.

Immature people these days...

Well it's only natural to judge a person from their previous experiences. He may be good now but there are people who would only trust people once.

Uhu...we have heard all of Modacity's "warnings" a million times by now. Now please just STFU and let the thread continue. You can always break him down to shreds in a designated Modacity forum.

Oh and I highlighted a beautiful contradiction in your post. Well done.

Why do you keep referencing modacity? You're from there (since it seems by your definition of being one of them you just need an account there), or did you just join there to flame people? Oh how ironic your posts are.
Edited by Sprinkle on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:11 AM

My point is I don't make a big deal out of him and go out of my way to attack himeven though those are my feelings, unlike some others (Limited). I just ignore him, but I thought Dennis made to good a post to stay silent on the issue this once.

And to the person above Lodex's post about give him another chance, people need to earn forgiveness and the right to a second chance, they just don't get them because they've lied to you in the not so distant past.

Both are valid arguments, however I'm leaning to Dennis' side. How can you simple trust someone who you may not know has turned a new leaf when there past doing's have proved them to be distrustful more than twice? The only way to redeem yourself from these types of situations is to simply be a better person - release your work, do not lie, let it open so people can look into it, and essential gain your trust back.

Recently, in France, a rapist got released for "good conduct", followed some treats, and raped + killed a 13yo girl.

All that to say that I love this kind of terrorism. Cant wait to use aio, only time will tell the truth

Okay so if we forget everything e3po has done in the past, and only focus on the most recent action of his for him to earn out trust and respect.

What was his most recent action? Oh yes the promised public release of HEKAIO on 20th November, which ended up to be a total lie and has yet to prove he released anything to anyone.

So judging just by that one action (which you keep badgering me to forgot his past), I can see he lies to his supports, he backtracks and tries to worm his way out of the bad situation and he then runs for cover instead of facing the music.

Also people around here need to grow a pair if they think my posts so far have been 'attacking', this is me being mild and submissive.

I havent been active on Modacity for a while, I rarely post nowadays, so please do not brand me.

Moving on from this thread, what have we learnt over the past few pages? As a whole e3po cannot keep to his word, how to progress? Well thats up to e3po to silence his glorified timetable and give us accurate release dates, or simply not even mention dates but he will need to expect people will demand progress updates, rather than being fobbed off with very lacking poor screenshots.
Edited by Limited on Nov 22, 2011 at 04:44 PM
Edited by Limited on Nov 22, 2011 at 04:47 PM

Oh look it's not just a gui, it can actually list all the tags too! yehaw.



This is what people will see when they load up hekaio for the first time. Notice the check boxes.


Me and silentk are working hard on getting a release out before 2012. We will not promise that it will be released before 2012, but we are really trying to get something out for Christmas. We are not making any promises.

Yesterday we both had a conversation about the way that we are doing this currently and have both agreed it would be better to look over the code we currently have now and scrap the current project. I started a new project last night around 2AM and have built just about everything we had before in C# for the gui. It is much easier for me to work on the project in C# as I can fly through C# and get gui stuff built super simple. SilentK works has started moving all our existing code and working on the new tag code in his own C++ project, HekaioLib.dll. The people that tested the private release of hekaio have shown that it is not what was expected. We are still early in the development and we have not brought anything new to the table. The app would not load on windows xp machines and had gui issues on some systems. This is why we have started a new project and i have been testing it throughout the processes using my XP VM.

This will also make it so that instead of people not being able to use hekaio in their own projects they will be able to reference our hekaiolib.dll and do everything that hekaio will be able to do using DLLimport.

The screenshots that are seen above are the previous C++ CLI project. I have not taken screenshots of the latest build because SilentK has not yet built HekaioLib for me to reference in the project.

SilentK is away for a week for thanksgiving but will be working on HekaioLib in his freetime, when he feels the need to. This is his time away and should be respected.

I will post back here when we have more information.

That's it? That is all you got... It can list the files in a map file and it already has stability and compatibility issues this early in development jesus... The very first program for halo 1 xbox probably went through the map file and listed all the files in it. How did you expect to have a beta 2 days ago?

Opening a tag is exponentially more difficult to open because the entire structure of the tag needs to be known to load all the data, plus the data is stored in big endian, it would have been more astounding if you could at least open one tag -not from a map file-.

I ask you now, who is laughing their ass off? If I were you I sure wouldn't be, I'd be weeping.

If that's all you've gotten done I wouldn't even be promising a 2013 beta release.

No, that is not all that is done. We have all of the server side code needed to run the program. This includes team logins, member administration, cloud tag storage, and more. It doesn't only list all of the tags, it can extract them as well. We also have created an XML file format for each tag and instead of storing tags the normal way each tag will be converted into xml files and be available on the cloud.

I will not be posting anymore in this topic until we have something more to show.
Edited by ethreepoh on Nov 22, 2011 at 07:33 PM

So it has drm and you extract unknown tags into a non geurilla compatible format, why not a little video to flavor the mouth huh?

I for one think storing tags as xml is a bad idea, what if there's a problem (it's bound to happen) and they want to use sapien or geurilla instead? If your going to support conversion you might as well just use the format.
Edited by Sprinkle on Nov 22, 2011 at 09:20 PM

"Elitist idiot" from Modacity reporting in here. Thought this looked pretty neat until I asked why everyone is hating on e3p0 - pretty funny how you guys are defending him for the crap he pulled. Surely Dennis refusing to host anything of his here should be setting off alarm bells o_o;
Edited by Timo on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Agreed. Half of the members here have probably made major mistakes in the past and been forgiven for it.

I've made a major mistake in the past myself, and I've been forgiven for it, so I have sympathy for e3p0's situation. I'm disgusted that anyone can have such a ridiculous outlook on the past. As I believe I replied to someone previously, I suppose some of you are the kind of people that weep over a dog's death decades earlier. Well, I feel sorry for you all, I really do.

You're storing tag data in XML? I would hate to see how big that turns a 10MB structure_bsp tag into, let alone an entire tag set. Or worse, loading that tag set. Unless your program will do everything the HEK does when you do a release (beta or otherwise), I would stick to the HEK's binary format.

Map makers need source control more than they need cloud storage.

He's made multiple indications that he hasn't changed in this very thread. He stated that this application will have a server based authentication system that can be used to restrict who uses it. He's pulled the rug out from the community before with such a feature, what makes you think he won't do it again given the chance? It's a completely unnecessary part of the application that is counterproductive to it's very nature. Why make an application to "help" the community in the first place if you're going to play Stalin with it?

Funny I don't see a thread with your name on it that says Dennis isn't going to host anything you upload? So what exactly did you do that you think is comparable to e3po.

I guess your the kind of person that keeps their dog locked in a cage so that he lives for 10 years and avoids the risk of him running around playing outside and getting killed. Lol seriously though what's with you and a dog that lives to be 10 years old, you miss him?
Edited by Sprinkle on Nov 23, 2011 at 09:37 AM

My old doggeh grew to be 14 years old...y'all mirin'??

Ive not read this thread, but remind me the point or purpose of a need to log into the software...

It should be open to everyone, and not controlled by anyone...

You seriously are quite slow in thinking. I was pointing out that you shouldn't care about the past because it's ages ago, even if it's a week ago. Anybody could be a totally new person after even a few days. So, don't cling to the past, look at the present and the future. If e3p0 does anything stupid again, then that is what's happening in the present, not what happened in the past.

I most certainly don't keep my dog locked in a cage because I wouldn't care if my dog was killed, I would just move on, though I would be fairly sad.


And the thing I did that is comparable to e3p0 is betray my old clan and cause chaos within the clan's alliances. Other clans despised my clan and I've put a lot of work into fixing it.
However, e3p0 can't fix his mistakes until he's released the HEKAIO, so just wait and be patient.

So how is foresight clinging to the past? Your analogy only disproves your theory.

Oh well as long as we're talking shelf life here, don't ever bring up anything that hasn't happened in the last 20 minutes, like jesus dying, and ghandi and whatever!!!

You log in because you work in HEK basicaly in a live stream so you can see what all goes on. the files are shared together with you and your team so you don;t have to be throwing around random map files every now and then. This is basicaly an organizing tool for your team

Maybe I should rephrase a bit. Knowledge of the past is fine, what I mean is, you shouldn't take the past into account when taking a judgment of a person's personality or life.

You answered the following question months ago when I asked, I am just wondering if it is still the case: Can you completely opt out of the 'cloud-saving' and sharing options, and solely use the tool elements (after logging in).

I'm still a little worried this cloud sharing is just a way for e3po to have access to everyone stuff.

Glad to see you thinking ahead e3po, keep up the good work.

To those of you who keep talking about us bringing up the past, get over it - thats so in the past.

Wim has hair.

That's how life works, you don't hire the guy who has a known history of stealing money from his place of employment and has been caught for it.

If you truly believe someone can turn over a new leaf that easily, than you should also believe that they can just as quickly and easily revert back to old habits. As proven over and over in this thread.

Yeah, at most it should be an opt-in service, not a mandatory everyone-must-go-go-go setup.

Data mining how a user uses a program doesn't require a hard ID, it can (and should) be done anonymously (better get the user's permission first), so I can't see that being a reason.

They can't sell the program so it's not like they're trying to protect against piracy and lost revenue.

They can offer features that require persistent user tracking, like storing data in the cloud, but I would say at least less than half the community even has a need for cloud storage. If cloud storage is such a big requirement for 1.0 (IMO, source control should take it's place), then it should be configurable by the end user as to what cloud service they use.

Restricting users is bad, especially when you require users to login for every use. Servers can go down, support can be dropped, and so on. There's no real justification for requiring users to register before they can use a program which is suppose to do the work of, tried and tested, unrestricted programs. IMHO, I would be more concerned about offering new alternatives for getting from point A to B than just reinventing the perfectly-fine-as-is-and-working wheel; this is one of the major problems Prometheus had, 1.0 was imagined far too grand and replicated a lot of things which already worked in the HEKs.