We are working on the meta editor right now. Writing code now to convert all the tag structures into the layout xml files that can be loaded into the layout panel we are using. Trying to make it as simple as possible without changing the way people are used to working with tools like guerilla or HMT.


Large Image:
http://www.wmclan.net/i/images/05630758335355916936.png

http://www.wmclan.net/i/images/00609055261025932859.png


Just the window:
http://www.wmclan.net/i/images/90814510601460859149.png

Edited by ethreepoh on Oct 7, 2011 at 06:34 PM
Edited by ethreepoh on Oct 8, 2011 at 12:13 AM

http://userstyles.org/styles/38209/halo-maps-forum-dark-grey
Edited by ethreepoh on Oct 7, 2011 at 07:05 PM

.net in C++ :( it's a horror movie written by microsoft

Did this die?

No, it was just MIA.

So hows this going?

Wow, what a surprise no activity.

Heres the problem e3po, everything you personally are working on is completely superficial, your making the flash website, your making the GUI. That stuff should be the last on the list. You need to get functionality working, the core components up and running before you try to make it look pretty.

The app so far, what have shown has absolutely no substance...proof? Your screenshot has the words "Hello World" in...really? Very very amateur.

Have you tested it? Didnt think so...

I have, Its a Work In Progress still. But its still amazing at its WIP Stage. So maybe you should learn first before placing text in a forum where everyone can see and making your self look like an idiot. Last time I saw he was constantly working on it.

What a surprise! A nice post from Limited!

No activity? You have no idea what my every day activities ensue. Everything i'm working on is completely superficial? Flash website? I'm making the GUI?

First off, show me one thing on that website that is flash other then the SWF upload for user profile images. Second of all, I haven't worked on the gui since those screenshots. Third off, who the heck are you to tell me what I need to do to lead a project? What do you know about leading anything? I've been granted several awards from my school disctrict, state, and even in my workplace for outstanding leadership. I led a group that hadn't made it to a state championship in 15 years to getting first place in every caption. At work I'm the youngest person in the building yet I'm assigned as project leader for several projects that would cause the company to fail if something were to go wrong. Don't tell me the order I need to do things, I can lead my team myself. Each member has it's own duties and responsibilities, I'm working on what I have been assigned.

By the way... what do you know about the activity of hekaio?


The hekaio frontend and backend on the server is a crucial part of how hekaio is going to work. SilentK is coding the application while I work on the server side coding. I'm not coding hekaio right now, i'm coding the website.


We are releasing the first hekaio public beta on the 20th of this month.
Edited by ethreepoh on Nov 14, 2011 at 07:50 PM

Well we now know what kind of project leader you are, treating team members like objects how rude. Also can't wait to laugh my ass off at the disappointment that will be hekaio.

By the sounds of your work habits it sounds more like SilentK is project leader. I also expect source code to be released along with the beta, since this is an open source operation, or better yet have a repository set up like open sauce. Unless you have something to hide?

*bleh*
Edited by ethreepoh on Nov 14, 2011 at 11:20 PM

On further note I am awesome

I have a limited amount of sprinkles on my cupcake!!!! NOM NOM NOM

FINALLAH!!!

That's because my team members are objects, they find it nice knowing that they have a place in my small heart. Laugh your ass off all you want, i will be laughing mine even harder when you run it for the first time. You have been warned.

No source code will be released with the beta, we have everything to hide. Especially from you. We will be obscuring our executable too. We have not used any code from open sauce and we will not be releasing the source code until later in development, if ever. We will allow plugins to be coded and release a plugin project for people to build off of, but that is about it.

I personally would never install anything you create simply because you said this. Everyone here should now be wary of your malicious intentions. The fact that you refuse to open source it only strengthens my argument.

Here's your full post quoted again incase you edit it:

Edited by Choking Victim on Nov 15, 2011 at 12:04 AM

@Choking Victim

Riiigght... Because refusing to open sauce something and saying that he's going to be laughing when you run it for the first time shows totally malicious intent? Clearly, he's going to detonate a nuclear bomb underneath your house as soon as you run his app.

In all seriousness, I'm assuming ethreepoh means he's going to be blocking certain people from using the app, which is possible because it's run serverside.

And how on earth does refusing to open sauce strengthen your argument? TM's not open sourcing, so I assume they show malicious intent too? And all of Microsoft's games, Valve Games, and any other games created by large companies show great malicious intent. O:
Edited by Jaz on Nov 15, 2011 at 01:12 AM

Midnight release perhaps?!?(They're as fun as hell) I'd stay up for this app :3
Edited by ODST_Nick on Nov 15, 2011 at 02:10 AM

Don't bring my team into this, but we do infact give you the scripts and also leave the map unprotected if you want to edit it.

I don't trust anything he makes, especially if it's run server side. He's done sketchy things in the past, I'm warning you for your benefit. Not mine.

Lol I hope you realize what you just said makes it sound like you have malicious intent no matter how you look at it.



Why hide from me, unless it's cause you have a noob programming it and you want to help hide him from shame and embarrassment. If anything I'd only want to look at it to laugh at how poorly designed it is, for those reason I can see why you want to hide it. It also seems you are using C++ with .net, you might as well be using visual basic. Either way I won't be surprised or impressed by anything it can do, not even if you added a "make awesome map" button.

Ahem...

This is why we don't have nice things....

Remeber that one guy who was working on synching AI and you all flamed him and saying its not working, or like you don't do much of the work so you suck? Yea I got a beta, it was working but no one wanted to see it done so he threw it away.

If you think you can make something Better go ahead, don't smash peoples dreams and ideas.

Oh whats that you can't make it? All you can do is troll a thread and you can't make it? Can I ask you something? WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING?!

This is something some ones going to release, if you don't want it, heres a simple way not to have it, Step 1: Don't Click the download button. Congragulations you did it!

So basicaly to sum it all up, people need to stop bringing people's ideas down, We could have so much more if we could just get along.

In simpler terms, try it before you throw it away. Wasted food could go to better people than you.

Haha what a joke e3po. Great job managing a project in a controlled environment. You could hold your teachers hand and ask for guidance when it went to pot. Get into the real world and you will realise the pressure.

How can you not comprehend that the website is far inferior to the app? You seem to be putting all of your (measly) effort into working on some website. Remember your 'atrocious' announcement website? The amount of rubbish you posted on there, all the fancy visuals - we already discussed the fact you blatantly forgot to incorporate the wording 'All this is mock, none of this exists and we are completely speculating this will work'.

Project lead, Ha...your suppose to be controlling the reigns, making sure people keep to deadlines, making sure you boost moral within the team. All we are seeing is empty threats, empty promises (4th Oct release? That was over a month ago)

Also the fact you say "Okay this doesnt have any OS in it, yet omg we are going to hide all the code so you will never be able to read", even in the same damn sentence is just an insult to Kornman and everyone else.

The company you work for are clearly wreckless, no wonder the US screwed up the world economy, they let you in charge.

5 days until a release, this will be very interesting. I'm already contemplating what flavour of popcorn to buy for this horror show.
Edited by Limited on Nov 15, 2011 at 06:07 PM

I don't remember people flaming me?.. but, I guess if you say so, then they must of been doing it behind my back then? And just because im to lazy to make big maps out of it, it doesn't mean that I threw my stuff away.. I even posted a tutorial on how to do it in some thread who knows how long ago... *shrug*

At the moment, I don't see whats different other than its all in one single application. I'm perfectly fine with all my seperate programs. Can you quote me the lines where dreams and ideas where being insulted? Or, as you put it, "smashed"? If it has a billion new features that HEK didnt have, it would be nice, but we haven't seen anything function other than the same basic guerilla UI we could use in guerilla, and a right click to make certain files.

I am going to assume the people who are being rude are people who don't care about it. Why would someone spend their time coding something they didnt care about, etc. Actually.. I haven't bothered reading this thread indepth, but I believe most of the complaints in this thread are people insulting direct other people, not the work (although I may be mistaken, to lazy to fully read the thread)

From what I saw, recent complaints where again, direct conflicts towards people, which appear to be warnings of users previous interactions with other users, and precautions they feel should be met.

Getting along would be nice, but each person is an individual. People can never see perfectly eye to eye, but we must live with each other regardless, and through teamwork can accomplish more than we could alone.

People are free to their opinions and thoughts. The same way they don't have to read this thread, you don't have to read their posts if you don't want to. You should of learned when you where young that when someone\things not incharge of you (parent, boss, laws, etc) that their opinions are worth whatever you want them to be; Just because someone calls you a fatass, it doesn't even matter, and you can ignore, accept, or fret about it. Just move on with your life, because there's no point standing still.


Anyways, on the topic of it, in the current version, is there anything other than default HEK stuff shifted into your app? Since there is a upcoming beta, you should instead be trying to advertise the features that people will see, as well as recapping what features you originally set out to create, and at what point they are planning to be implemented. By not stating anything, Internet-lurker nature will make everyone believe that the bare minimal to function was made. I noticed in one of the pictures, something about scripts; What sorts of scripting features are in there? just notepad? colored data types? auto-fill script commands? etc.

No kirby not yours, it was another person that was doing it.

Hmmmm, something seems off...oh, here, page 4:

BlamLib is a part of OS. All of OS right now is licensed under GPLv3. If you (ie, this team) referenced the source (for documentation) or are including it in this project then your project is required to include the source and license information along with any releases. Beta, stable release, doesn't matter.

As the OS page says, we do offer license exceptions on a case-by-case basis. However, this community doesn't need any more closed applications. There's no point.
Edited by kornman00 on Nov 16, 2011 at 01:06 AM

I believe ethreepoh already mentioned previously that the reasoning for not going open source is that there is a map protection system in place which would be compromised if hackers knew how it works.

That's not a valid reason to not comply with the licensing agreement, assuming ethreepoh did use any of OS's source code (like blamlib). Keep in mind that if you release this software and disobey the terms of the license, korn has every right to take you to court for copyright infringement.

See the following page for what can happen if you violate the license:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html

Personally I always feel you should put the community first.
In my opinion, time could be better spent in a different way, drop the map protection feature and instead focus that time on a feature which would include an automated Credit List based on what's all included in the map.

From what I've read in previous topics where people just rip content from other maps is that the actual author is mainly not happy for not being credited on their work and effort.
It seems to me most authors of maps are really willing to share their knowledge as long as you give them the credit for their previous work.
So community wise I see more benefits in keeping things open as much as possible, so other people can learn or just be creative with it, while paying respect to the actual author.

As to Kornman00 statement: "this community doesn't need any more closed applications."
I partially agree with this statement as long as it does not put the whole system or intention behind the application at risk. I can imagine that in some applications parts just have to be kept secret in order to prevent easy abuse of the system or an easy compiled spin off, while other parts could easily be set up as open source for other people to learn from.

OpenSauce and/or BlamLib is not being used or referenced in the hekaio project.

I was mostly referring to game tools (since it was the context of this thread). IE, Tools which improve the map making process. Leaving server apps and the like closed source, I agree. Unless the original makers are stopping support and moving on, then I would suggest they either hand the control over to someone else or release it to the public for continued improvement.

As far as "protecting" maps, it's a pointless battle (especially since you'll be releasing the application which does it). If someone really wants to rip the content, they can do it. Obfuscating the tag names is only a small hurdle. As long as the game can process the map, a modder can rip from it. As a tool developer, I would be more concerned on spending my time making useful tools which <i>all</i> map makers can use, not just the handful of paranoids.

I'm amazed it's possible to "copyleft" a program that goes in against the original EULA of the game.