Omg, I almost died at the irony. My point was, if you actually took time to understand my post, every 11 year old kid wants to re-create something, someone already made. Tags are released, but yet, people make the same friggen thing for the sake of bragging rights. Not that there is a problem with that, but when you have 50+ of the same thing, it really starts to lose its value, because it seems like everyone wants the same thing. I know people started doing this since H2, but at the time, there were very little people willing to actually finish something worth playing with. Now everyone throws a map together with H3 mocks and claims they are god. You might as well rip the tags and throw it in bloodgulch and get it over with.

Your excuse that it's new to the engine is complete BS. You haven't changed anything in the engine.

You CAN'T change anything in the engine?

Also people can do what they want. If your pissed off at people making crappy H3 Mods, whats the most you can do, flame them? I doubt they would even care, its the internet. People don't get bragging rights by themselves, the actuall community gives them that. Untill the community actually likes your work, your in no right to brag. So what if you get h3 stuff and start bragging? you'll look like an idiot. And so what if every 11 year old kid wants to make a remake? Its there choice. It's always going to happen, might as well learn to deal with it.

QQ some more.

<3 you too.

All mapping teams are great. I started off in a novice mapping team that didn't go anywhere. They give a good foundation to learn and groups members in the community that have common interests. When I started I jumped from team to team moving up to slightly better teams leading me to where I am now and getting to know and make friends with many people in the community.

LOL L0d3x were not the same people there on my xfire look for yourself it's a inside joke nothing mean.

Your post almost made it seem like you think that your mature. Unfortunatly hunter I see you as a key player in constant "DERPDERPDERP" that makes
ALSO


Hey

hey

hey
stop typing, your stupid is leaking
You have no right to say anything about how the community was before, (you weren't here) but trust us when we say ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS and NOTHING YOU CAN DO WILL CHANGE THAT
so sorry you had to hear that, but 11 year olds are ATTN whores (and some other members)
and as long as other 11 year olds tell these 11 year old that YOUR SO AWESOME DAWG, then people will keep recreating crap in order to look cool.

Edited by CLS_GRUNT on Dec 25, 2009 at 03:35 PM

not that I have anything against you, but you know its true :\

Mhm.

itails, the purpose of this thread is to state your views. You have stated them. We know what you're views are.

Just because we don't believe your views, doesn't mean that we dont know what they are. We FULLY understand them, its just some of us don't believe what you believe. Understand? There's nothing you can do anymore. Its quite obvious that your attempts to convince us are unsuccessful.

Now, is the time to swallow your pride, and back down. Shut up allready, alright? U've stated your views, and I'm *hoping* the purpose of this thread isn't to insult and troll people. Stop drawing it out into some flame war. >.>

sheesh....

A mapping team is only as equivalent as the members in it. Enough said.

Well here it goes. I'm going to tell you why you're wrong. Partially.

First, lets start with hugeass/coldsnap. They were not such a success because of new content (it had its part, yet small). What made them so successful was the fact that little johnny dumb ass over there can finally get the kills he's always wanted because now he doesn't actually have to play using guns and get beat because he sucks. Now he can just camp in a jet or what ever the hell else is in those maps and just shoot missiles at everyone.

Now recreating what someone else has already done does not constitute as custom, yes. But I fail to see why you're complaining so much about it. If you want custom content go make your own damn custom content. Now I don't play halo anymore, nor do I even mod for it. Yet I still have my Pit project which just so happens to fall into your little rant. This recreation of the pit is a way of challenging myself to see if I can produce the same results a AAA company has. And so far even Bungie was pretty impressed.

My point to you, is yeah these teams are stupid, made up of a bunch of hyped up kids who think they have the know how to make this awesome mod. Yet, they suck. I know that, you know that, and they tend to make fools out of themselves. But seriously, why do you care? Let them embarrass themselves at their pathetic attempts and until you produce your OWN custom content that I am impressed with you really can't tell people what they should and shouldn't make. Good day to you sir.

Hey guys , nice thread you have here.

hi, t is about an inch away from d on a qwerty keyboard. its not hard to make that mistake. i guess every spelling mistake you have ever made makes you retarded too? i was agreeing with you until you made that stupid response to higuy's post, which was also right btw. halo ce HAS always been about remaking stuff from halo 2 and 3. we have like 5 different halo 2 tag sets from a while back. now on the topic of retarded and comprehending posts, higuy never said anyone changed the engine. you took a nonexistent argument and tried to make higuy look bad with it.

tl;dr: your argument in your first post is legitimate, but its nothing new. what youre complaining about has been going on in the entirety of halo ce's history. dont attack people for pointing that out

People will always try to remake stuff from other games in different engines. Just look, M00kz is remaking Halo weapons in UT3. It's not something exclusive to the community. It's just that some people like to have fun with it and try remaking something, just to see if they can.

too much to read, i'm just going to guess and say iTails actually cares about something he said he didn't care about.

In response to OP:

The main flaw in your argument is you don't recognize the difference between skill building and being original. People like playing maps featuring content from other games; it's a tried and proven method and there's less risk in taking advantage of this (not that most new mappers will know this). They just want to bring their favourite features from other games into another favourite game (Halo CE). There's nothing wrong with this and they're not trying to be CMT or H3MT. It may be unoriginal, but it's a challenge they're facing nonetheless. In either case, they'll be building their skills.

In fact, I think that copying is BETTER for learning than creating original content. Without a plan, new modders will tend to make things up as they go. This leads to all sorts of problems. Recreations force them to compare their modeling, skinning, etc. with the works of professionals. In this case, they can adopt better strategies, learn from their mistakes more easily, and only worry about creating content instead of also designing it. My point is that it DOES take skill to re-model a BR. No matter what you're modeling, you have to do a good job of it. Doing a recreation simply gives the modeler a clearer goal.

I do agree, however, that modders with little to no experience should not be starting a mod team. Team leadership roles come after years of experience in modding, not before it. What I'm trying to get across is that there's nothing wrong with team after team recreating Halo 3 content, what's it matter to you? if they want to learn by copying the work of others then by all means let them. In fact, they should know it's the better way of going about learning their skills.

Conscars, you're right, except that most new mapping teams don't end up creating their own tags. The talented people here already belong to distinguished mapping teams, and a lot of the time the new mapping teams end up using tags from the narrows leak or hceripper's site, which doesn't really help build their skills all that much (except maybe tagging and population).

Working with tags is an essential skill needed for CE modding. I can name many people that started out ripping tags and have gone on to create great custom content. It's all part of the learning process and some people take longer than others. These mods are often no more than personal experimentation.

Then they're not a team, they're just a bunch of friends playing with the tools they have available. Conscars is correct.

Coagulation Mapping team anyone?
everyone has to start somewhere...

Selfish? >:@

What about that HRMT. I heard they're gonna finish their version of the game before bungies comes out.

/rumourspreading

lol

I think I've had enough of this thread. Thank you Higuy, Conscars, and everyone else who responded maturely.

/EDIT: beige text fail

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No. HRMT is mainly for Macs. (Ew) BUt it is, Cryosis v2, look on youtube, that's HRMT.

The PC Side has moved on to make Halo: Aero in CryEngine
Edited by iHalo on Dec 27, 2009 at 03:34 AM

Ooo, I'm looking forward to Halo: Aero. So far the ODST models look nice.

mapping teams are a joke

just like good anime, realistic video games, and 4chan

There's two HRMTs. Halo Reach Mapping Team, and Halo Recon Mapping Team.

Yer, which I am excited for.

Heed the words of the all mighty Sim:

If thou wanteth something doneth correct, thou must do it thyself.

Therefore, all mapping teams are BS.

Most of you don't know me, only some of the older people here do, but the reason for that is I came and I left. Itails, your saying people starting teams with out knowledge won't get anywhere? I started H3m (part of the 3 mapping teams that got together to make H3MT). I had absultly no knowledge of anything apart of playing the game. Hell back then I didn't even get how shields worked in multiplayer. But I 'fail' in love with halo 3. I made a mapping team and I was told to jump off a cliff. Guess what. I learned so much since then, that I won't regret being an idiot and starting the team. So sometimes not all theories work, yours as an example. - typed off of iPhone so sorry for mistakes if any.

This.

Go jump off a cliff.

Na, I love you buddy.