Looks cool tho i remember Head Boob made a level where ur as the flood but ur body parts came off. Is this fixed in this mod?

Don't worry about that. Lone's been working on the mod for quite some time now, but he said he'll be disappearing for another six months sometime.

ok good. So sad how Head Noob's ancient pc died and he lost that sp. And b/gulch firefight. And a death island sp

I'd be willing to accommodate you with a better flood styled hud if you so please.

Was wondering where he'd got to. He didn't tell me :C

Although I didn't really plan on updating until I got back in late June, I decided that I will today. It's a small update mind you, regarding a new unit.

The Sentinel Marauder:




E1: Ignore the texture mis-alignments. They will be fixed.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Jan 22, 2011 at 09:25 AM

Don't remove the cap at the middle top, make it like a normal sentinel with two extra arms, not a headless one.

Nah, leave the top out... but maybe add a cap elsewhere. I like how it looks different.
It should also fire shoopdawhoop.

nice an update! so what does it do, does it shoot sentinel lasers or something?

The primary function of the Sentinel Marauder is to clean up all remnants of a Flood infestation, by focusing on destroying all remaining infection forms in the area.

As a result, it fires a fast shooting sentinel beam that does minor damage. However, Marauders travel in packs of 6-8 at a time and move faster than a normal Sentinel.

those sentinels look cool

I'll assume they are more fragile then?

Yes, and they don't have shields.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Jan 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM

How about unguided Needler projectiles, minus the supercombine ability, for a little visual distinction between the two weapon systems. Doesn't take much to kill the infection forms. Plus, it'd be purpley. :D

Oh yeah, like the sentinel enforcer's needles.

Yeah, like those. That way when you're getting shot at, it's a lot easier to identify than if it was simply a weaker variant of the standard sentinel beam.

But it wouldn't make much sense for the forerunners to make a cleanup unit with a weapon that has a lower rate of fire and travel slower than the standard unit's weapon (unless the needles fire at a rate similar to the beam, and are hitscan)
Imo make it a thinner beam with a red light.

Or simply have it pulse waves of damaging radiation.
The problem is a fast and lighter unit not designed for heavier combat shouldn't have 4 limbs and look heavier (and be bigger) than the normal combat unit. Nor should it be called a marauder.

well if it's for cleaning up, then what's better than fire!

If you're gonna choose a clean up unit, make smaller than a regular sentinel, and look more like a constructor than an actual sentinel.

The 4th model should be some kind of heavy sentinel that fires a high powered laser shot that does AOE shield damage, but fires slowly.

In relation to the Marauder:
It's half the size of the original Sentinel.

The reason it has a faster firing weaker weapon, is because it's designed to kill lots of infection forms en masse.

It travels faster than the normal Sentinel.

In relation to the Normal Sentinel:

It's because the Normal Sentinels, at least from my point of view, are primarily designed to be anti-combat form which are slow-ish, easy to hit targets. Therefore they made a slower firing beam that hits harder, rather than use the Marauder.

If the name really annoys that so people, I'll just change it....

You still haven't told me why it has more limbs than its heavier cousin.
Also, in what way is the Marauder's weapon faster-firing than the Sentinel's? Do I have to remind you that the beam weapons have can constant fire anyway?

I still think it should just emit radiation, or the weapons on it can turn and aim independently from the main body, as to not waste energy turning the whole body around to hit a single infection form.

Also, would it be possible to make it so that when you die as a combat form the control simply passes onto one of the remaining combat forms in your group? It would allow much more realistically low health (they die in numbers similar to grunts) without crippling the player, and it would still make a fair deal of sense, since the flood can be controlled by the Gravemind at will, so when the one under the player's (Gravemind's) control dies, he simply switches to another one which previously controlled itself until it makes way for you.

As a result you don't need to have an illogically durable combat form, and you could give much more variety, for example, some forms might have shields of varying amounts, some might not, some might be missing an arm or two, etc. It would make gameplay more fun and still make sense.

That is, if such a script is possible.
Edited by IcePhoenix on Jan 24, 2011 at 07:30 AM

Tbqh, I didn't have a reason for giving it more limbs besides the fact, that I wanted it to look different from the Sentinel, while still trying to keep the same design scheme.

If you want a reason that's rooted in canon. We planned to have the Marauder look around little vents and such for infection forms, the forward limbs means more protection from the front, where a normal sentinel may be susceptible to getting latched onto by an infection form.

The Marauders weapon has half the beam length and higher firing speed. It has a 'cone' where it can target any enemies in front of it in a certain angle.

Rephrase the last question, and I'll answer it.



No radiation.




It would probably be possible with some complex scripts. But in the end it would end up being a case of us leaving AI/bipeds in one spot for the player to 'bump possession' into. I.e it would leave AI/bipeds standing around that no doubt, you, or someone else would complain about.

Alternatively, it could be a biped spawning script. But, I'm afraid that wont happen either. Because, I'm fairly sure about this, once the original player 'biped' dies, it's game over, last checkpoint e.t.c.

We've already got our own story/plot typed up for the Campaign. And since, atm, it doesn't conflict with any canon. We're sticking to it.

However, we play to have the Gravemind 'utilize' different combat forms throught the mod. So no, you wont be playing as the exact same combat form.



Tell me, how would missing arms and limbs make it more fun, if the player is shoved into a combat form with no weapon-usage, or no melee usage. I assure you, there would be more complaints than it's worth.

As I have stated already, we wont be doing this.

The way we have it at the moment is that the Combat form the player plays as (in the full version) will be a Flood elite with armour, and minor shielding. Before you bring up the player losing limbs. Also isn't going to happen. When I first tested the mod, with limb damage on, the first shot in cases to the unshielded player ripped off the arm. For the entire level.



In a nutshell yes, but we wont be using it.

Someone's fingers are sore.

I concur with lonewarrior's intent. There doesn't really need to be a reason for four limbs.
Again, it looks really cool, and it ought to be on halomaps.

You could create cutscenes through parts of the level where your combat form dies and the control switches to another one though.

Thanks, but no thanks.

We plan to use as little ripped content as possible, utilising custom content mainly.

We also have our own infection form, that no one's seen yet...



Hmmm, I hadn't thought of this. I suppose we could do it for a few of the levels.

Posting to show my undying support <3

maybe you can make the beam more powerful and have it charge the beam before shooting as fast as the spartan laz0r's (3 seconds) before shooting a beam bigger than the sentinel's,but yellow,just for cleaning up more "serious" flood infects (hives,infection forms,ect)

I'm fairly sure that's what the Sentinel Enforcer is for, cleaning up major Flood infestations.

Making a dedicated 'hive destroyer' for Sentinels sounds good though, guess I'll add it to the list of 'Optional Stuff'.

List so far if anyone's interested:

X
X
Koo’s Flood Infection form model (Needs texture )
Y
X
Dedicated Flood Hive Destroyer (Sentinel)
X
X

Note: Concept stage basically means we have drawings for the basic layout of what we want. These are easily subject to change, and usually don't reflect the end result.

Oh and things marked with an 'X' we don't want you seeing yet (All X's are new units, not weapons/vehicles e.t.c). Not eveything on this list will necessarily make it to the end product either.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Jan 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM

What does the Y mean?

It's the codeword for something they don't want us to know about yet.
Probably an X.

So did Stauffenberg

Lone's dead til late June, so I don't really see why this thread should suffer in the meantime.

^google search would have told you,so did stauffenberg,refers to...
Claus von Stauffenberg was a german officer.

A GOOD German though, planned to kill Hitler, Operation Valkyrie.