A drum magazine would require an ejection port for cased rounds, while a revolving cylinder like the Milkor MGL would not, because the whole cylinder can swing out to the side and the spent casings can be dumped out of the back. Drums are sealed, save for where they push cartridges into the chamber, and they don't store the spent casings inside themselves like revolving cylinders do.

Edit: Fixed first link.
Edited by Echo77 on Dec 19, 2014 at 05:01 PM

looks neat nice job bourrin

low poly cplould use more Poly's.

I was looking at the old macworld ar and noticed a large amount of space... im starting to think it wasnt bullpup back then, which would be kinda cool.



inb4 macworld mod
Edited by VKNG on Dec 21, 2014 at 09:21 PM

The assault rifle was originally designated as the "MA5 ICW" (Objective Individual Combat Weapon) and sported an integral grenade launcher. The area you've circled is the magazine for the grenade launcher.

Addtional images can be found here: http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm%3Fpage=topic&topicID=45109
Edited by Echo77 on Dec 23, 2014 at 02:00 AM

i forgot about the Grenade launcher xD but yeah, i remember that thread, i should bump it with some more stuff i found :D

You should. That's what I was hoping people would do any time they found obscure concepts and early screenshots.

I am seeing the end now !
Here is what I baked so far :

shadows map :

normals : (some are misoriented, I need to fix a few things)


I'm using the scanline renderer and it's taking super long.
Any help about getting the normals to be perfect?
Wireframe : http://puu.sh/dH7zJ/ad2d797a78.png
Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 23, 2014 at 07:28 PM

i wanted to finish this with higher detail and my own textures so im going back to it. plus im going to fix the animations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYtPp6ax2g&list=UUUECh2PGUeikGZPwPiE9VHw

http://savinpvtmike.deviantart.com/art/Br55-Dec242014-update-502314565?ga_submit_new=10%253A1419444275
Edited by savinpvtmike on Dec 24, 2014 at 01:22 PM

Actually the pixelated normals are due to the fact that some craved lines are 45° from the tangent of the baked surfaces, next time I won't do them this way.
Applying the same smoothing group is going to make the model look bad with level of details, or if I want to make something that does not look too bad whithout OS, and at the distance people will look at it, it's not needed that much... I will try using mental ray but it doesn't work for normals for me, I will try to find what's the best because rendering everything takes too long.
I'm using separate smoothing groups for this reason :

Explained in that tutorial which I should have seen much earlier.
http://www.chrisalbeluhn.com/Normal_Map_Tutorial.html
But it doesn't cover many of the visual issues you can get in a normal map.
Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 25, 2014 at 05:43 PM
Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 25, 2014 at 05:50 PM
I have horrible grammar when tired.
Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 25, 2014 at 05:52 PM

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Edited by Super Flanker on Sep 20, 2016 at 11:38 AM

Yeah I figured out how to correct many errors due to that stuff now, and wrong normal orientations. But I still suck at texturing and I have the feeling that most tutorials I find are obsolete

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Edited by Super Flanker on Sep 20, 2016 at 11:39 AM

it would be possible to make for halo, just make the first frame of the animations rotated on the previous chamber, then going back to original at the end of the animation. That's how the rocket launcher works. Even in reach, the tubes aren't symmetrical yet you see always the same side. The inverse doesn't work because the last frame links in like 1 frame to the usual idle anim. (Bigass ma5k reload bug)
I tried texturing a bit, but I think it looks lame. If anybody wants to enhance it, I'll give the bitmap :

I have trouble identifying civilian revolvers because most of them look pretty similar to one another. The closest thing I could find was a Smith & Wesson Model 17-3, but it's chambered for .22 LR.

At a glance, it seems that the bore diameter on your model is bigger than that of the chambers. If that's the case, you'll probably want to reduce it a bit and make the walls of the barrel thicker.


If you decide to make it magazine fed (as opposed to using a revolving cylinder), bridging the gap between the barrel and the receiver might be something to consider. It would make it look like there's a chamber for the grenades to get stripped out of the magazine prior to being fired, as opposed to just having them phase through the front wall of the magazine and into the barrel.

Edited by Echo77 on Dec 27, 2014 at 12:58 PM

I mostly lurk, so I may have just missed this, but what ever happened to that bad ass rocket launcher you were working on for bigass?

He will never finish it.

For an actual reason or is that facetious because its taking forever

I stopped working on the RL for a while because of a lack of time and motivation, and bad methods. I'll certainly go back on it when I have finished with the grenade launcher.
here is a viewport shot :

a bit more of texturing. The texture for the gun seems more complete. And I will make it with the drum barrel at first, I think it's the best looking.

Edit : fixed the symmetry error.


Edited by bourrin33 on Dec 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM

lovely model.

Ingamed ! (without normal maps)



It looks less good than I expected though

oh god thé détails 100/1.

Looks pretty good. What'd you do your texturing in?

Photoshop with a photo of steel and 3 brushes : square, round, scratch, blended in layers. The texture is also low resolution (1024*512) which explains why I didn't use much stuff

nice job bourrin. hope we will see it on a map.

Looks great! I feel like Martyn should be here giving crit. What happened to that guy?

Weapon on back?

Anyways, I like the gun a lot!

The backpack weapon is the bigass DMR/ long range rifle. 2.104 was supposed to have backpack weaps but they caused lag over 10 players.
I'm not doing higher res texture (yet) because the AO maps take quite long to render, and I want something halo friendly. And I think I may remake them sooner or later.
I was also expecting crit from Hunter but he seems to never be here when I need him. I guess he can't give harsh enough crit, so he doesn't talk :D

And I think it lacks something. I will make a scope and sights on the top, or even remake entierly the barrel cover as I deviated from the original concept ( http://www.halopedia.org/images/f/f4/EarlyGrenadeLauncher.jpg )
I also should have modeled the holes in the lowpoly as well, they don't look very good at the moment. Or just on one side for first person.

looks very cool

Incredible texture pass.

The ingame fps view reminded me of the halo 4 saw.

Keewl work.

Back to the rocket launcher ! I'm remaking the barrel claws because they were an horrible mess before, with better topology etc.
old :
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Edited by Super Flanker on Sep 20, 2016 at 11:39 AM

great job on the rocket and grenade launchers. they look amazing

i personally think that you should be able to see the grenades in the launcher for coolnesses sake :P idk if its possible to sync up the animations properly with the barrel mag running out though(i dont have much animation experience with ce)

Killzone's idea seems pretty interesting.

I'd like to adapt the idea by adding:

A transparent portion to the rotating magazine so we could see the ammo count.

(You may have to add mechanism details)

I couldn't find an exact example but this image hints towards my suggestion:

That also figured on the original concept but I was too lazy to implement it. I don't know how it would work for the last magazine. The best thing I could do is a bitmap linked to total ammo function along with ammunition animation, but I'd rather give a try to that when everything has been done and clear for basic functions.