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"You Shall not Abuse New Users, he was signing a promissory note to which every Halomaps user was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all members, yes, trolls as well as normal users, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Tools, Tutorials and the pursuit of Great mods."

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I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for trolling in the history of our nation.

4 months ago, a great Troll, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Anti-Masterz Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of CMT slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But 4 months later, the CMT member still is not free. 4 months later, the life of the Troll is still sadly crippled by the manacles of halomaps and the chains of discrimination. 4 months later, the Troll lives on a lonely island of mods in the midst of a vast ocean of halomaps. 4 months later, the Troll is still languished in the corners of Halomaps society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our Halomaps capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic (Dennis) wrote the magnificent words of the Forum Rules and the "You Shall not Abuse New Users, he was signing a promissory note to which every Halomaps user was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all members, yes, trolls as well as normal users, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Tools, Tutorials and the pursuit of Great mods." It is obvious today that Halomaps has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as its citizens of trolling tendency are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, Halomaps has given the Trolls a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient moderators."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of Halomaps is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this website. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of CMT and the security of Halomaps.

We have also come to this hallowed thread to remind Halomaps of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug given by semi-decent tags. Now is the time to make real the promises of modding. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of threads to the sunlit path of CE3. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of modding bias to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of Dennis' children.

It would be fatal for Halomaps to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Troll's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of moderating and banning. Two thousand and sixteen is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Troll needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if Halomaps returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in halomaps until the Troll is granted his trolling rights. The whirlwinds of trolling will continue to shake the foundations of our website until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my fellow users, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the Dennis' palace: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for trolling by drinking from the cup of troll-bait and discord. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with troll force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Halomaps community must not lead us to a distrust of all users, for many of our CMT brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that Halomaps' destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their mod is inextricably bound to our website.


We cannot troll alone.

And as we troll, we must make the pledge that we shall always troll for justice.

We cannot bring back deleted threads.


There are those who are asking the devotees of troll rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Troll is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of Dennis' banning. We can never be satisfied as long as our accounts, heavy with the fatigue of evading Dennis' ban hammer, cannot gain lodging in the threads of Halomaps. *We cannot be satisfied as long as the troll's basic mobility is from a smaller thread to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our accounts are stripped of their name and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "Do Not Troll"* We cannot be satisfied as long as a Troll in the CMT Thread cannot vote and a User in VKMT believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "bans roll down like rain, and account deletions like a mighty stream."

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great campaign mods and creations. Some of you have come fresh from large threads. And some of you have come from areas where your thread -- thread for your mod left you battered by the storms of trolling and staggered by the winds of other user's brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to mod with the faith that unearned trolling is redemptive. Go back to Halomods, go back to VKMT, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to CMT, go back to the Threads and pages of our newer threads, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my fellow users.

And so even though we face the difficulties of this thread and the next, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in Dennis' dream.

I have a dream that one day this website will rise up and live out the true meaning of its name: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all mods are created equal." (Dennis)

I have a dream that one day on the tall threads of Halomaps, the sons of Dennis and the sons of former banner users will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the thread of VKMT, a thread sweltering with the heat of trolling, sweltering with the heat of imminent bans, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and troll-lessness.

I have a dream that my four little map mods will one day live in a website where they will not be judged by the quality of their graphics, but by the content of their gameplay.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in the VKMT thread, with its vicious trolls, with its OP having his lips dripping with the words of "TROLLS" and "CANCELING" -- one day right there in VKMT new users and old veterans will be able to join hands with Dennis and Trolls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every thread shall be exalted, and every topic and mod shall be made well, the rough places will be made planar, and the crooked places will be unwrapped properly; "and the glory of Dennis shall be revealed and all users shall see it together."

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I return to Halomaps with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling threads of Halomaps into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to mod together, to lightmap together, to be banned together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free of trolls one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of Dennis' users will be able to mod with new meaning:

My website 'tis of thee, sweet land of trolling, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers were banned, land of the User's pride,

From every thread page, let freedom ring!


And if Halomaps is to be a great website this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious threads of CMT.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of Dennis' house.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Conneticut

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped cliffs of B40.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of Tinderland.



But not only that:

Let freedom ring from the VKMT thread.

Let freedom ring from The CMT thread.

Let freedom ring from every thread and page in halomaps.

From every sub-forum, let freedom ring.



And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every thread and page, from every state and every city's internet connection, we will be able to speed up that day when all of Dennis's users black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, trolls and regular users, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Halomaps User spiritual:

Free at last! Free at last!

Thank Dennis! we are free at last!





Edited by Jesse on Aug 29, 2016 at 04:05 PM

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OK people you have had your fun; now get back on topic.

Quote: --- Original message by: Dennis
OK people you have had your fun; now get back on topic.

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Killzone, don't pull a Killzone on that BSP lol

Quote: --- Original message by: killzone64

jesse.... that post should be saved in some archive somewhere



i havent pulled a killzone yet on my main projects XD. you saw rats nest (just in a different form and not textured fully) in the mental ce3 trailer, backwards s is still a wip (backburner as it needs huge reworks), and select is being redesigned.

http://puu.sh/qTcqU/46f45df653.png
http://puu.sh/qTctT/b36f3be9cf.png
http://puu.sh/qTczQ/d66aa0cad1.png


also.... seriously? whats with all the off topic stuff... dont chase off a project or derail their thread thats common forum etiquette. sometimes i wonder why im still on this forum...
Edited by killzone64 on Aug 29, 2016 at 08:02 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: killzone64

jesse.... that post should be saved in some archive somewhere



i havent pulled a killzone yet on my main projects XD. you saw rats nest (just in a different form and not textured fully) in the mental ce3 trailer, backwards s is still a wip (backburner as it needs huge reworks), and select is being redesigned.

http://puu.sh/qTcqU/46f45df653.png
http://puu.sh/qTctT/b36f3be9cf.png
http://puu.sh/qTczQ/d66aa0cad1.png


also.... seriously? whats with all the off topic stuff... dont chase off a project or derail their thread thats common forum etiquette. sometimes i wonder why im still on this forum...
Edited by killzone64 on Aug 29, 2016 at 08:02 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
I see a lot of unneeded polygons. Well, they seem to be unnecessary. Are you doing any UV trickery for textures or something?

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It's his workflow and generally one which I use myself.

Model out whatever is in your head and don't give too much thought to optimization. That part comes later.

Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker


It's his workflow and generally one which I use myself.

Model out whatever is in your head and don't give too much thought to optimization. That part comes later.

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It's also a lot easier to work with when you have room to work as opposed to trying to modify already optimized mesh.

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Actually Jesse its quite easy to re-align verts to an edge which doesnt lie parallel with a coordinate axis(if you're using 3ds max). There is a constraint in editable poly that allows you to constrain movement of the selected verts to the edges they are connected to(for faces and edges this applies to the verts that make up the faces/edges selected).

The hotkey for constraining to edges is shift+x. I dont think there is one for constraining to faces, but there is a rollout for selecting the constraint. Changing the constraint counts as an undo state, so keep that in mind.

Here is a little example of it being used and of the location of the rollout(I have it opened up in the top right). I grabbed the top, shifted it, grabbed the middle line, slid it to the top of the cylinder, let go, then drug it to around the middle and let go.

http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o630/MosesofEgypt/asdf_zpsjgt58ojq.png~original
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Aug 29, 2016 at 09:32 PM

Quote: --- Original message by: MosesofEgypt

Actually Jesse its quite easy to re-align verts to an edge which doesnt lie parallel with a coordinate axis(if you're using 3ds max). There is a constraint in editable poly that allows you to constrain movement of the selected verts to the edges they are connected to(for faces and edges this applies to the verts that make up the faces/edges selected).

The hotkey for constraining to edges is shift+x. I dont think there is one for constraining to faces, but there is a rollout for selecting the constraint. Changing the constraint counts as an undo state, so keep that in mind.

Here is a little example of it being used and of the location of the rollout(I have it opened up in the top right). I grabbed the top, shifted it, grabbed the middle line, slid it to the top of the cylinder, let go, then drug it to around the middle and let go.

http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o630/MosesofEgypt/asdf_zpsjgt58ojq.png~original

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That helps so much.

Do you know of a way to drag a vertex along an edge without distorting the edge?

I think this might work for that but I'd have to test.

Share more knowledge!
Edited by Jesse on Aug 29, 2016 at 09:49 PM

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Explore your 3d packages and who knows what you will find.

Quote: --- Original message by: Super Flanker

Explore your 3d packages and who knows what you will find.