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MatthewDratt Joined: Sep 11, 2010 TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 08:09 PM Msg. 911 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: PopeAK49 None of the CMT members answered my question. if they don't answer, the answer is yes

Ifafudafi Joined: Jun 23, 2010	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 08:17 PM Msg. 912 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: thellt this is how ive been worried everyone from cmt has been feeling.... I can guarantee you that everybody working on TSC:E is working literally every day to finish the map, and that finishing the map is the main priority in our lives outside of food, rent, and other things necessary to ensure we can spend literally every day finishing the map

slashrat Joined: Aug 10, 2005 TSC:E Environment Art Lead	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 09:07 PM Msg. 913 of 1967 This mod has become my life aaa save meeeee

RabbitFood Joined: Aug 9, 2014 tripping a path through an internship	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 09:39 PM Msg. 914 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: slashrat This mod has become my life aaa save meeeee here

justiyt Joined: Aug 25, 2014	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 09:50 PM Msg. 915 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: teh lag Quote: --- Original message by: justiyt Is there any tangible progress? The picture you posted on the 15th is exactly the same as the one you posted on the 11th which is exactly the same as the one you posted on December 2nd. i have been updating a single picture hosted on dropbox so i don't have to go back and edit the main post every time. wait, no. that's not right. sorry everyone -- we've actually been sitting around doing nothing. actually we've been deleting parts of the map, reversing progress that had previously been made! So where is a link to the picture?

Danger_zone_98 Joined: Nov 26, 2012	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 10:12 PM Msg. 916 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: justiyt Quote: --- Original message by: teh lag Quote: --- Original message by: justiyt Is there any tangible progress? The picture you posted on the 15th is exactly the same as the one you posted on the 11th which is exactly the same as the one you posted on December 2nd. i have been updating a single picture hosted on dropbox so i don't have to go back and edit the main post every time. wait, no. that's not right. sorry everyone -- we've actually been sitting around doing nothing. actually we've been deleting parts of the map, reversing progress that had previously been made! So where is a link to the picture?

WWLinkMasterX Joined: Mar 29, 2009 subliminal message.	Posted: Dec 20, 2014 11:29 PM Msg. 917 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt Quote: --- Original message by: PopeAK49 None of the CMT members answered my question. if they don't answer, the answer is yes boy has that gotten me into some deep trouble in the past...

xnx Joined: Feb 12, 2013 h2 marine anims or i detonate the vest	Posted: Dec 21, 2014 05:23 AM Msg. 918 of 1967 I mean, she was passed out drunk in my bed, that's practically an invitation!

thellt Joined: Feb 14, 2009 chiperdilly the great 1999-2017	Posted: Dec 21, 2014 05:54 AM Msg. 919 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: xnx I mean, she was passed out drunk in my bed, that's practically an invitation! hce.halomaps is down with a 403 for me....

SGT Arroyo Joined: Jul 23, 2014 golden	Posted: Dec 21, 2014 05:56 AM Msg. 920 of 1967 Halimaps is down overall on my pc

Danger_zone_98 Joined: Nov 26, 2012	Posted: Dec 21, 2014 05:53 PM Msg. 921 of 1967 The pic was updated. UV mapping is getting done.

teh lag Joined: May 6, 2008	Posted: Dec 21, 2014 06:00 PM Msg. 922 of 1967 it is true. we just finished the second-to-last bsp's lightmap uvs. only one bsp needs lightmap uvs now - then it's nothing but rendering left for the map.

raphaelBLOOD WAR Joined: Dec 4, 2012 I wipe your maps with your own blood!	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 02:40 PM Msg. 923 of 1967 Any suicide grunts in spv3 and evolved?

RabbitFood Joined: Aug 9, 2014 tripping a path through an internship	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 07:35 PM Msg. 924 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: raphaelBLOOD WAR Any suicide grunts in spv3 and evolved? Aren't all grunts suicidal, really?

Echo77 Joined: Jul 20, 2010 Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 07:53 PM Msg. 925 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: RabbitFood Quote: --- Original message by: raphaelBLOOD WAR Any suicide grunts in spv3 and evolved? Aren't all grunts suicidal, really? I'd say that most Grunts value their well-being, which is why they try to avoid combat and are quick to run away from a fight, especially if their commander is killed.

teh lag Joined: May 6, 2008	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 08:07 PM Msg. 926 of 1967 i am assuming that the question refers to the behavior seen in h3+ whereby grunts run around with armed plasma grenades and try to commit suicide with them. we have no such grunts.

raphaelBLOOD WAR Joined: Dec 4, 2012 I wipe your maps with your own blood!	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 08:33 PM Msg. 927 of 1967 Ahhh come on no grunts to rush up behind u with grenades to make u jump until your chest hurts?

Spartan314 Joined: Aug 21, 2010 Former biped rigger & FP animator	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 08:41 PM Msg. 928 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: raphaelBLOOD WAR Ahhh come on no grunts to rush up behind u with grenades to make u jump until your chest hurts? No.

teh lag Joined: May 6, 2008	Posted: Dec 22, 2014 11:55 PM Msg. 929 of 1967 all bsps have complete lightmap uvs. the worst part of the lighting process is behind us! now, we just wait...

RabbitFood Joined: Aug 9, 2014 tripping a path through an internship	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 01:57 AM Msg. 930 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh I was always wondering how one UV's faces using a shader that should have self-illumination. uh wat (No seriously, explain please.)

SGT Arroyo Joined: Jul 23, 2014 golden	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 07:44 AM Msg. 931 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh I was always wondering how one UV's faces using a shader that should have self-illumination. Re-UV those same faces to the texture, give it a new material with the self-illumination mask? do you even English?

Darkzealotx Joined: Jun 15, 2014	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 07:49 AM Msg. 932 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh I was always wondering how one UV's faces using a shader that should have self-illumination. Re-UV those same faces to the texture, give it a new material with the self-illumination mask? Lolwut?

SGT Arroyo Joined: Jul 23, 2014 golden	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 07:50 AM Msg. 933 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Darkzealotx Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh I was always wondering how one UV's faces using a shader that should have self-illumination. Re-UV those same faces to the texture, give it a new material with the self-illumination mask? Lolwut? exactly

SGT Arroyo Joined: Jul 23, 2014 golden	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 08:02 AM Msg. 934 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh Well, when importing the lightmap BSP, one has to completely Re-UV the BSP. If there are triangles that should emit light, one would have to give them a separate light-emitting material in 3ds max. My question is how will they tackle in doing that, as the lightmap BSP doesn't have the same UVs as the original BSP. Let's use an example. I have here a H3 BSP with some panels that should emit light through a self-illumination bitmap. http://puu.sh/dGmdR/0d22466997.jpg They can take those surfaces and Re-UV them exactly as the original BSP so the self-illumination bitmap can do its thing. http://puu.sh/dGmeo/634b93e5fe.jpg Or the could just light up the whole surface and not worry about exact precision of the light that's emit from the surface. http://puu.sh/dGmeI/a65ea41333.jpg There is also an alternative to bake the lightmaps one the original BSP and use the projection modifier to bake the lightmaps from the original BSP to the lightmap BSP(The same way how one would bake a normal map from a high-poly model to a low-poly one). Though I have not tested this out and thus don't know how well it would work. I think this would be the best method if it does work though. thank you for explaining teleports to new high charity

The Kingx Joined: Mar 16, 2014 ᕙ༼ ಠ益ಠ༽ᕗ	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 11:36 AM Msg. 935 of 1967 are you going to make a new thread when it releases

Danger_zone_98 Joined: Nov 26, 2012	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 11:38 AM Msg. 936 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: The Kingx are you going to make a new thread when it releases They should, right?

Juzo Joined: Jul 1, 2014	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 11:47 AM Msg. 937 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: teh lag https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10778064/wip/B30_BSP_Progress_Chart_No_Spoilers.jpg all bsps have complete lightmap uvs. the worst part of the lighting process is behind us! now, we just wait... Alright... now it's just a waiting game now right?

slashrat Joined: Aug 10, 2005 TSC:E Environment Art Lead	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 11:53 AM Msg. 938 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Infinite Guardian Alright... now it's just a waiting game now right? This is essentially correct. We do have to rerender individual lightmaps from each set as we find and fix errors. However, the bulk of the unwrapping is now done, so anything past this should be very small tweaks. Ideally the renders will be perfect but that rarely happens on the first try. Bsps 5 and 7 have been rather difficult to nail down but they are close. Edit: Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh Well, when importing the lightmap BSP, one has to completely Re-UV the BSP. If there are triangles that should emit light, one would have to give them a separate light-emitting material in 3ds max. My question is how will they tackle in doing that, as the lightmap BSP doesn't have the same UVs as the original BSP. Let's use an example. I have here a H3 BSP with some panels that should emit light through a self-illumination bitmap. http://puu.sh/dGmdR/0d22466997.jpg They can take those surfaces and Re-UV them exactly as the original BSP so the self-illumination bitmap can do its thing. We are not using light emitting surfaces, as I could not get them to cooperate to my satisfaction. All lights are replicated using omnis. For some strip lights that means there are 12k lights in a scene. It does allow me to control every single light source very precisely, which is great, but it has led to some rather laggy files. Old aether used projection to bake the lighting, the new setup uses a single mesh set with a second layer of uvs on top. The render only materials/lightmap are hidden or set to not case shadows. Edited by slashrat on Dec 23, 2014 at 12:05 PM

slashrat Joined: Aug 10, 2005 TSC:E Environment Art Lead	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 12:39 PM Msg. 939 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh I didn't even consider having omnis for everything. I guess that's why it takes so long to render everything. What renderer are you guys using? Vray? Mental Ray? I gave mental ray a shot but something about it when interacting with the baking resulted in horrible looking blotchy and ugly renders. Light was ignoring walls and illuminating the next room, etc. My small experience with vray seemed to imply absurd render times, so in the end I went with the standard scanline renderer with light tracer activated.

slashrat Joined: Aug 10, 2005 TSC:E Environment Art Lead	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 01:11 PM Msg. 940 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh Ouch, that explains so much. I personally use Mental Ray, but all I'm doing is baking AO maps and thus no light other than a skylight usually. Btw, does the new OS upgrade the lightmap memory limit? Pretty sure I couldn't compile my maps if the total lightmaps size surpassed 20 MB or something. Edited by Mootjuh on Dec 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM Yeah if mental ray has worked then the renders would go much faster, but this seems to have been our only option that we could find that served our purpose. As for the lightmap limit, tbh our map limit means we have to keep our lightmaps as low res as we can, but at a balance with quality. As a result we haven't stress tested super hires lightmaps. I don't believe that limit was upgraded though.

YSlayer12 Joined: Aug 31, 2014 "We are made of MLG Qwikscopes"	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 04:49 PM Msg. 941 of 1967 Meep?

slashrat Joined: Aug 10, 2005 TSC:E Environment Art Lead	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 06:16 PM Msg. 942 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: Mootjuh Don't know how much clusters you guys have per BSP, I'm assuming alot. But I couldn't get 20 lightmaps with all a 1024x1024 resolution. Some of our bsps have upwards of 70 lightmaps.

1bobsam1 Joined: Mar 18, 2010 I win. You lose.	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 06:29 PM Msg. 943 of 1967 ^Good god... I'm excited.

YSlayer12 Joined: Aug 31, 2014 "We are made of MLG Qwikscopes"	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 07:22 PM Msg. 944 of 1967 So close yet so far...................

RabbitFood Joined: Aug 9, 2014 tripping a path through an internship	Posted: Dec 23, 2014 07:47 PM Msg. 945 of 1967 Quote: --- Original message by: YSlayer12 Meep? I am astounded by this question. Never before have I thought to ponder such clear, meaningful ideas. Truly Sir, you have brought light to my once clouded eyes. I thank you. praise jes�s

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