Ja porque empiezan a discriminar porque no se bien inglés, entonces me toca a las malas de está manera. además aLTIS expulsa de su servidor a los quienes hablan español ¿ES JUSTO LO QUE ESTA HACIENDO?

translation: It's not for nothing, but I think 'bigass' is more edited than Bloodgulch... In my opinion this is way too exagerated. Bigass came out a long time ago and you can't fill youtube more with bigass videos, and I say it because of aLTIS. Yes, it is a good map, it's very incredible, but this is exagerated. Nor Takedown Series nor Firefight Descent have as many videos as Bigass and they are way better. Please!

Any Final Version?



Translation: Hah! beacause I don't know a lot of english and you guys start to discriminate me, so I have to answer like this in a rought way. And aLTIS expels from his server Spanish speakers, Is it fair what hes doing?



Now I will talk about what you said Johnlex, I speak Spanish and aLTis has never thrown me out from his server, nor has any member of Halomaps. In fact they are very nice and respect the fact that I'm an Spanish speaker and English is not my first language. They accept me as I am and so they did to other latinamericans, you are just been very inmature and just can't take any criticism. Learning from criticism is the only way to get better, if you just rage you'l never get any good and you will lose respect from your fellow mappers.

Ahora voy a hablar de lo que has dicho. Yo hablo castellano como primer idioma y ni Altis ni nadie de Halomaps me han botado de su servidor. En verdad ellos han sido buenos con migo y me respetan como uno de los suyos aun sabiendo que espa~ol es mi primer idioma y el ingles no es mi idioma nativo. A mi me aceptan y también a otros latinos, pero tu solo eres inmaduro y no aceptas la critica de otros. Aprender de la critica es la única forma de mejorar, si solo respondes con rabietas nunca vas a ser bueno y perderás el respeto de tus compa~eros mappers.

Edited by PRPatxi on Feb 15, 2014 at 05:38 PM

Cuando hace mucho tiempo aLTIS sacó su primer bigass prácticamente varios mappers latinos promocionamos el mapa y el servidor ¿Que paso cuando nos metimos? teníamos prohibido hablar español porque o si no el servidor nos expulsaba y me han dicho algunos que se sigue presentando. Es tan así que en ese día Leonox97 fue expulsado 6 veces del servidor y tuvo que entrar con 6 nombres diferentes.
Yo estaba que explotaba de la ira y se hizo una revuelta en los grupos latinos y de hecho varios entraron en peleas..
Cuando sacaron la versión actual de este bigass el servidor de aLTIS seguía con la misma regla y publicaron una foto que se quejaban de eso y yo lo publique quejándome...

Si a ti no te expulsan del servidor bien por eso (Y) Tal vez a ti te conocen aquí
pero a los latinos no nos gustó esa discriminación, osea nosotros jugamos los mapas, los promocionamos en grupos tanto de Facebook como Youtube ¿y haciendo esas cosas?

me parece injusto, aparte trata todo latino américa como si fuéramos mexicanos, hay que comprender que no solamente mexicanos juegan halo si no toda latino américa en general..
Colombia, Guatemala, República Dominicana, México, Argentina, Chile, Perú, Y Hasta del otro lado del planeta Como es España, Etc...

Your turning this into an argument of racism when the problem is maturity; something you are lacking in.

Tu convertiring esto to una discusión del racismo cuando el problema es la madurez, algo tu le falta pulg.
El español no es mi lengua primaria por cierto.
Edited by ZOBI3KING on Feb 15, 2014 at 06:44 PM

lolman puedo unirse a la diversión, por favor?

[TMM]HR_Johnlex_vs_bigass
Edited by MEGASEAN2812 on Feb 15, 2014 at 07:03 PM

Huh? What's that Altis94?!! Did I hear you say that your Bigass map is going to have a bigass update that would give half of the Halomaps population nerdgasims?!! WOOOOOAAAHHHHHH! What?! WHERE?! What?! No way?! For real?!
("Psst! Altis... Post something on your Bigass project to redirect the topic back quick!")
Edited by P3 on Feb 15, 2014 at 07:10 PM

EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PIC

Esta bonito Haha

Hahaha No

Post more bigass pics, else Dennis will nuke the thread.

I shall post this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-s8E-DojfU

-Excellent effort on the tags

-The Ar is 100% perfect; its Beeeeaautiful and its function is sooo balanced

-Magnum is very balanced

-Gauss rifle, unless youve tested this already it should be 1shotkill with less splash damage

-I like the ability to destroy the falcon, this should be applied to all vehicles... except somehow teammates can betray you like this annoyingly

-Increase accuracy and damage on the Falcon turret but take off the rocket secondary

-Decrease damage on the Gauss Warthog and increase it on the Default warthog

-Is bullet magnetism possible in CE to reduce obnoxious amount of lead?

-Warthogs are getting jammed by trolls infront of the armory door, please this.

-Add a Tunnel System around the base and a Cave system through central map... too exposed as infantry.

-I dont know about a BR or DMR. It would be good with the lack of rifles, but I do like the simplicity of this version.

-Higher spawn times on power weapons. If this is done, then you will need to add BRs/DMRs to the map for Balance or even to default spawn weapons set

Again, excellent tags. This is currently so balanced, and the best Modded MP map to date that I can think of. You should create small as well as medium sized maps so all these other terrible maps with ten sets of tags get faded out.
Edited by GreatCesar1 on Feb 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

You should do a synthesis of our chatlogs and try to find the best lines
80% insults, less than 10% actual bigass stuff

btw, Johnlex2; stop being jealous because our map is more advrtised than yours. That's called perfectionnism
Edited by bourrin33 on Feb 16, 2014 at 07:26 AM

Increasing damage on weapons isn't always the way to go; you could just increase the accuracy of the chaingun hog that way it's not completely useless if you're not up close and personal. So far almost all the weapons seem to fit their roles just fine (even though I disagree with the incredibly high ROF of the MA5K,) but the vehicles need some balancing. IMO the falcon needs a buff because at the moment it just seems like a huge target. It's not exactly effective against infantry since they're so small and hard to find. Also, the gun is hard to aim when you're flying and rockets have slow travel time/ridiculous reload time. Plus, the maximum flying height could be increased some.

I really don't know what Altis is doing with the map now, or if he's changed the weapon set, so these problems might have already been fixed. Also regarding destructible vehicles, I'd say all or none. The mix between them doesn't seem to fit, even though the tank most definitely needs to be destructible.

If you are wondering what has been done:

V2,073
*Edited weapon damages for Scorpion and Falcon; (Falcon is stronger and Scorpion is weaker)
*Added support for gametypes such as Classic Snipers;
*Edited Falcon camera; (no more lift)
*Edited destroyed Scorpion shader to fix black texture;
*Slightly reduced damage for shotgun;
*Fixed Spartan Laser reticle;

V2,074
*Mines give less damage to teammates and owner;
*Added night mode;

Later on I was too lazy to edit changelog... Well Bourrin did some updates to the base, I still try to fix all errors but it seems impossible unless I would move to 3ds max 8 and Blitzkreig. I fixed glitch with binoculars that spawned 2 gauss snipers in one place. Edited falcon gun to be more accurate and powerful and slighlty lower ROF. Done some other small edits to other vehicles and weapons.

About destroyable vehicles, I really dislike the idea of having all vehicles destroyable, mostly because there is no way to display their health on HUD (it's probably possible with OS).

Also, I still don't like the idea of having DMR. I only wanted a BR but Bourrin and others really want to have DMR as well.
Edited by altis94 on Feb 16, 2014 at 01:10 PM

Would it be possible to add something to block vehicles from jamming the door ways? Maybe like putting these in front of them?

http://www.productgiant.com/images/669.jpg

Just so that the hogs and mongooses can't jam inside of them, but the players can still get out.


Also... it would be nice to see maybe some denser wooded areas to sneak through, and maybe some homing SAMs (shooting one rocket at a time, and of course, that need to be operated byh a player) on the roof of the bases for Falcon defense.

Two more points...

I really like that cave system throughout the map idea, and the tunnel system in bases idea (maybe they could lead to the binoculars area as well for when you're getting spawn camped by a Scorpion...). Also, displaying vehicle damage IS possible... I'm pretty sure that Extinction does it.
Edited by MyHogs on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Edited by MyHogs on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Edited by MyHogs on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:01 PM

As I said, bases were edited. Now warthogs don't get stuck there. I can't really add more scenery so no moar trees. And extinction doesn't even have destroyable vehicles.

1) Awesome, thanks. Much needed. :)

2) Damn, no more trees... ah well. I understand.

3) Check out the Wraith and the Ghost on Extinction.

https://imageshack.com/i/13ukbqj (Top Left)
https://imageshack.com/i/mr2bnij (Top Right)
Edited by MyHogs on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:15 PM
Edited by MyHogs on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:16 PM

Just because meters are there, doesn't mean that they actually work. Those vehicles are indestructible and meters always show full health.

I'm sure I'll get around to this eventually.


This map has such horrible tag organization I can't even find half the weapons actually. Sigh.

The map is not meant to be ripped.

Then protect it? *lol*

What's the point of protecting the map if there are tools to unprotect it?

But... you could manipulate it to show the vehicle health. All those meters are doing is reading a varaible. Just configure them to show the proper variable. And obviously, you can make them disappear/appear on vehicle enter and exit... I'm sure that it's very possible. You'll figure it out, it'll just take a bit of digging around. There's been far more complex things done on maps.

They would only work for the host. All players would just see full health all the time.

Bad excuse for poor organizational skills. I might be one to also do this but its the truth

Just.... I know where everything is. No one else is working using this tagset and I see no point in organizing everything.

None of the clients pass collision model data to one another, the meters won't work.

Use the same logic that the players health bar uses. In Guerilla, when you're doing custom HUD's, you set them up to read the health and shield variables of a player. So all you need to do is, in the vehicle's HUD, add a new meter that follows the same logic that the players shield meter does, but rather than having it read the players shield value, have it read the shield value of the vehicle that the player is currently in.

I'll look at some other maps that do vehicle damage as well to try and find something.

:::Weapons:::

I used to make pro settings for halo 4, and this is the most promising Halo CE mod I've played. So I just have a few specific personal recommendations on weapon tuning:

-Handguns: There is no real difference between the two handguns. Considering the Odst tag has 66% clip size and more recoil, I suggest Buffing the accuracy greatly on the Odst pistol tag, removing the recoil, adding the recoil to the HR magnum tag and and making the HR 4shot kill(sk) to the head keeping its accuracy. Also have different reticle shapes for each(keep the HR magnums reticle, but change the ODST's to resemble a more accurate weapon).
In the end, there will be a distinct difference between the two:
*H:R magnum: Damage buff(4sk), +Recoil
*ODST Pistol: High Accuracy, slight Spread to prevent OPness, No Recoil, 5shot kill to head, Faster firerate than its counter weapon.

-Assault Rifles: I like the balance with these currently, the MA45 is an outdated looking model though(at least the textures).

-Snipers: Gauss Rifle needs a Direct damage buff, which can be down without it eliminating the purpose of the SpLaser (Take the Halo4 Rail gun for example; one shot infantry kill, 6-7Shot kill on just a warthog).
*Sniper: I like the lead and everything on this so far(Im uncertain about how they spawn in the base, maybe add another outpost on the map for them or weapon crate somewhere hidden), if you could add bullet magnetism when in range 'unscoped' this can be done in OS.
*Gauss Rifle: 1sk direct impact on infantry, less splash damage Range. I do like the bullet drop and bullet velocity on this alot(maybe with this buff you could drop the clip size to 2-3, which in this case will function exactly like a Binary Rifle).

-Laser: I like where this is at right now(of course one you add a reticle). Its damage should be 2.5-3x stronger than the Gauss in the end so its all purpose vehicle weapon(add a splash damage effect maybe). Since this weapon is Hitscan, it has a much higher use over the gauss rifle against vehicles

About the DMR vs BR: I honestly have to so say DMR(either one should replace the snipers in each base) because most BRs are very broken and are hard to get right in CE. For the DMR, it should have Halo4 Vanilla range(100meters scoped in red reticle range because its a larger map). I think the DMR would fit better over the BR because...
1)The DMR would have a very distinctive advantage over handguns at longer ranges
2)The single shot weapons seam to have much better bullet registration over burst or automatic weapons due to online latency
3)The DMR would be able to actually counter the snipers at long range which no other weapon in this tagset seems to be capable of doing!
...So DMR > BR in this case, of course you could add both


:::Vehicles:::

[yes, a proper health system is possible with OpenSauce]

Scorpion: more accurate machine turret.

Falcon: I know you are doing everything right so far on this, but I don't think the Rockets fit at all. You should buff the primary fire turret removing the rockets.
Unless you have rockets only shoot twice before reloading ratther than 6-8shots (cant remember)
- This needs at least 175% health so it doesnt get taken down with two clips of Sniper or one clip of Gauss

Warthogs: (they all need a faster rotating turret, I dont know if this is possible)
*rocket Hog: perfect
*Default: Needs damage buff~ 125-150%
*Gauss: Splash Damage needs a significant Nerf, 180% slower Rate of Fire(RoF). I feel like this is really the most unbalanced thing in the map. Maybe take these out of the the Base and add Trooper warthogs instead, then replace the spade with a Gauss warthog(IDK honestly because the spade matches the aesthetics of the house in the center of the map).

Mongooses: Shorter Respawn time in bases.


:::Map:::

-I understand a tunnel system would be complex, but I think it's necessary(around each base and a more natural cave system in the center).

-You should add small base near the mother base on each side (manly for a much larger range of spawn locations! its to tight and a scorpion can easily spawn kill over and over in the map current state.)

-With OS it is possible to have more scenery, but I don't think its really necessary. This map should keep the open battlefield look, a few wouldn't hurt, but if you want to avoid making this into another gaudy disaster mod in I recommend keeping it minimal.

-Add a few more points of interest on the map with weapon crates.

-Use OS to prevent disappearing patches in the map.

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The map is in good shape, all these thing are minor personal recommendations though.

1. Are you aware of SAPP no-lead?
2. I am not changing Gauss Rifle. It's supposed to be anti-vehicle weapon and it works best against Falcon or Scorpion.
3. I am not going to use OS because most of the players haven't even heard about it. And dissapearing patches can be fixed without making the map yelo.

Im aware of SAPP, I wasnt sure if the server for this map runs on it. I dont have anytrouble with lead, but thats because I run on 10-20ms ping to the server hosting this map... so I thought people with 100-200ms ping would have trouble. I don't really care about changes to the sniper base weapons I was just had an idea and said it as an unnecessary alternative. However, I do take the idea of the DMR/BR serious as part of this map, as well as the magnums which need fixing. Again, a DMR should be added because it's a large map, it can counter/challenge snipers, and it has an advantage over the magnums. The BR would have non distinctive purpose in relation with the magnums in this map (unless you want to make major adjustments) and modded BRs are so broken online. Good point about OpenSauce, I ve gotten so used to it I forgot most people do not know what it is, LoL. Mongooses can get jammed in the base vents, maybe you should put the outside of the vent higher and use a ladder to get to the top.

(you could add an smg with a 60 round clip, to be counter for the nerfed shotgun just for fun but not necessary)

-oh and the AR should be the starting weapon instead of the MA45, the MA45 is an automatic headshot weapon, and the AR goes along with Reach Magnum nicely especially in looks

Edited by GreatCesar1 on Feb 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM