I was able to reduce about 10,000 of the original 60,000 Without damaging the shape of anything; I fixed tons of smoothing errors, and lots and lots of geometry errors:
There were about 5 overlapping surfaces, and tons and tons of degenerate triangles. There's your phantom bsp.
As for the uv's, They are just texture coordinates. They literally have their own block in the model file. They don't change anything about the geometry their applied to so there's no way that's what caused your geometry errors.
Edited by Banshee64 on Dec 7, 2012 at 04:28 PM

Again, I beg to differ. Changing the texture UVs can cause errors as I've encountered some in the past. Pretty unlikely, you'll say, but messing with UVs sometimes reveals other errors tool let by.

Now using the "Optimize" modifier Will cut the poly count from the 62 000 it stood at to about 40000 although that usually makes tool cry. I'm not saying my modelling is perfect or even good by the way. It's however pretty easy to criticize.

Also, I don't use any special "Tool". Your errors may come from import or simply because tool itself has never been perfect. I have uploaded maps which went totally fine, changed UVs and tons of errors spawned out of nowhere. Sometimes I would simply revert to a backup in which the model was exactly the same to avoid these.

Further proof, Have you noticed some faces are see through? no matter how I tryed to texture them they wouldn't allow lightmaps to run.

Oh and for smoothing, you're probably right since I don't really use it / know how it works within Halo

Btw, Current RPG_Beta7 BSP is 53 000 polies excluding the Covenant Cruiser
Edited by OpsY on Dec 7, 2012 at 08:12 PM

I'm trying to say you have nothing to loose by fixing uv maps, because if someting does go wrong you can use a version you saved before anyone tried to fix your uv maps.

You are right. Except I don't quite like spending 3 full days running lightmaps :)

hows the map going and can i be a beta tester

I hope Halo CE survives the possible Death so I can play your map :(
if there is any way to beta test, I'm your man, if that's a hassle, no problem, OpsY.

i hope ce does not get infected

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Okay, now I want to know. What could it possibly be infected by? Unless it's fat, 13-year old whinging COD players that don't understand what good gameplay, story, level design and art is.

I am away for a couple of days, hopefully when I return one particular asset i'm waiting on will be ready. This would be good news to further project. I can't wait to officially announce what that breakthrough

Want for the map?

The Halo 3 POA? She's a beauty. Is the model fully fixed? I'd like it. Although I cannot fit it inside the map unless I decided to go all-OS. I'm already full, everywhere. 50 000 polies of BSP, about the same amount in different elements (Boarding crafts, Longswords and other devices). I'm pretty much maxed up content-wise. I would very much like to work and create an interior for the ship however!

could you send me the link?

I'm going to try and print it with a 3d printer

Hot damn, it's one of those moments I wish I had a 3D printer...

they're a pain in the butt though

If they is any conflicting or merged geometry, it won't print :P

You should do it, This map needs something that really stands out from the previous ones. Open Sauce makes everything better; and if you use it i hope it means you or someone else will upgrade every shader in your map.

Fixed that for you. People need to realise that the game wont die nor will the servers, just the browser.

please dont make the map an os how about you put that POA In another map instead

There is now POA in Halo 3. This is from Halo Reach, and yes it is 49,554 polies. MaxFile is 2013, model is fixed. Includes .3ds export.

http://ihalo.org/halo/reachassets/halycon_reach.zip



Do you REALLY have one? Does it support textures? I want to print 343 GS, I had a company that would print him in Aluminum with the texture, and I was gonna make him light up myself with LEDS and batteries, which is cool and all but it was $2800 to print it, I was like noo way
Edited by iHalo on Dec 11, 2012 at 02:17 AM

You could get it printed in plastic and then paint it yourself?

Anyway, fixing the UV's will be a lot of work, but would make it stand out a lot more. the one thing i didn't like about the last maps was the fact that they had horrid UVs and everything looked fake.

get back on the topic on hand hows the map going and when is there an update on it

OPSY, why don't you release RPG Beta 7, and then release an OS version as well? For those special people.

That's one thing I have not noticed with the big project maps, such as Requiem, Extinction on Steroids. Why can't, when it is finished, make an OS version? Or develop an OS version in parralel with the vanilla version.

It only prints in plastic :\

sorry if I got your hopes up, but like Hunter said, you could always paint it

That was me, not Hunter, we have the same avatar so confusion ahoy. (ihaditfirst)

isnt requriam halo 4

Really, I am eager to turn to OS Mapping. I just don't believe dividing the playerbase, making two substantially different versions of the map isn't something I want.

However, I could, using OS, merge hi-res versions of RPG_Beta5 6.2 and 7 into a single map. That's something that could fit and that while I did try, couldn't happen with vanilla. That would.

Again, I won't do OS until it's more mainstream and mostly, until it allows xFire to work.


Btw, thanks IHalo for the model. I'll take a look into it. If anything, I will have to lowpoly it if I ever want to work with it. There's probably many places that can be lowered.
Edited by OpsY on Dec 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I can't figure out how to use OS, otherwise I'd probably be using it more.
though if someone explained to me how to run it, I'm sure i'd have no problem. It looks like a great system, and a great step, maybe the next chapter, for Halo Combat Evolved.

OS doesnt work with my halo custom edition

You mean you can't be bothered to read the instructions?

Check; http://code.google.com/p/open-sauce/

Or just you know, use the really easy to use installer that's just as easy as any other installer in that all you have to do is click Next a few times.

wow I never saw that... thanks. embarrassing.

Not your fault that OpenSauce's instructions suck.

Don't worry. No need to be embarrased is my point.
Edited by ODST_Nick on Dec 12, 2012 at 01:48 AM

Yeah, My legit copy of CE I bought isn't letting me Host a .Yelo server. My CD Key is "invalid" somehow -_-
Pleading the 5th amendment on what I went through to get a working copy of Halo.
I am an evil person.

just keep rpg beta 7 a .map file not a .yello

As I said, I won't be making OS projects yet. It's tempting, for the future, to do so. The extended amount of space and polies is the kind of thing that is required to make extensive RPG maps. For example, I want to make a City map. Now, seeing how Halo is I have to limit the "Size" of the city to something rather small since Halo maps cannot be more than something like 4X4 kilometers.

that'd be friggin awesome. I need to get my Legit copy online or figure out how to get my not-quite-as-legit copy to run OS

OS doesnt work with my ce and my copy is legit