Normally I'd say XP because of speed and awesomeness.

But.

XP
Pros: streamlined, efficient.
Cons: no DX10+ support, no support for 3gb+ RAM (when compiling maps RAM needed) vulnerbale to attacks without AV, cannot play newer games (Halo 2)

Vista
Pros: Bare minimum for gaming PC. eyecandy wonderland. built in av/uac. 64/32 bit versions available. supprots halo2 and
Cons: prone to BSODs, must remove affects for HEK++, overprotective uac prevents debug file saving, sucky driver support.

7
Pros: Best of both worlds, streamlined like XP, pretty like Vista. easy to install drivers for good Halo gaming experience.
Cons: UAC overzealous (see vista), visual effects disruptive, visual artifacts in Halo (?), targeted most often by viruses since its the MS 'flagship' product.

Ubuntu Linux
Pros: Fast boot times, cant get viruses, free, "faster than a pc and prettier than a mac".
Cons: limited driver support, windows program loader required, relies on opensource GL rendering instead of DirectX (frame rates may drop), little to no games run natively.

anyone feel like voting? ill keep track.

XP:3
Vista:3
7:5
Ubuntu Linux: 3
Edited by Actual on Dec 9, 2011 at 06:35 PM

I've never had any of the problems you list for windows 7...

7, because I like it the most, because it's windows 7, because Microsoft named it that, because they felt like it, because they're humans, because humans have feelings, and without feelings we'd be practically braindead.

So if you don't like 7, then you're braindead.

to use the default halo directory you have to disable uac, or move it somewhere else. typically 7 has the ebst drivers, but bad ones cause artfacts. and you need a pretty good AV, as 7 is prime target for attacks since its new flagship of MS.

quite frankly i love 7 just as much as XP but no OS is perfect. (yes, looking at you OSX)
Edited by Actual on Dec 8, 2011 at 07:19 PM

300 new virus's each day on 7?

lolwut.

I never disabled UAC and I'm using the default halo directory fine. :/
And I use McAfee AV. Pretty good one, but often has to update or else it won't work properly.

I never seen these visual artifacts on Halo running in 1920x1080.


Yeah if you're an idiot, then you do deserve 300 viruses on your computer.

Well, debugs. like when something doesn't work in sapien/guerilla, txt file isn't there.

as for viruses, htere's much, much more. that was just an estimate. there are 7 billion people on the planet, of which at the very least 2 million are computer literate or able to reseach enough to make a virus. of those 2 million, id say 400,000 are willing to make a virus for the lulz or money. like i said, W7 is now MS's flagship. what better target?



simple searching/downloading can yield viruses nowadays. the point is that with the amount of viruses targeting windows 7, it simply is unsafe to browse without a proper 50$+ AV or internet secuirty suite.

if you can come up with other cons to W7, you're more than welcome, these have just been what i went through using 7 and speculation.
Edited by Actual on Dec 8, 2011 at 07:36 PM

It works fine on windows 7. It even has backwards compatibility mode with XP and Vista.
I've been going without an antivirus for 5 months now. I download smart. If I really have to scan something I will use virustotal.
I usually don't have to download anything anyways. I got everything I need.
Things like 3ds max and xsi and such are free from the autodesk site so no need to pirate with the chance at getting a virus.

Well, that's that. No arguments for other OS's, so Windows 7 is the best for Halo. ty guys.

Explain you math, why does XP rate a 1?

It's number of votes, not like 1 out of 10 :P

I find vista superior to xp. I've been using it since it came out and have hardly had any trouble on my system becuase of it; I'm not sure why everyone complains about it so much. I have Windows 7 on my mothers laptop and I find parts of it annoying (e.g, task bar thing on the top, weird tool bar, etc), but its not much different than vista from the looks.

XP: Can do anything Halo 1 related perfectly fine. Your complaining about ram.. if you want a XP base with as much ram as you want, go for Server 2003 R2 32bit. its less stable than normal XP, but far more stable than 64bit XP, and through PAE (Physical Address Extension) can use as much ram as you want. I go back and forth between that and W7 64bit on my desktop PC.

Vista: Uses up more of your computers resources by default, just doing H1 stuff your gonna be slowed down.

W7: More optimized Vista, with like 3 more visual changes (I prefer vista visuals. Who wants their windows basic theme to be a very light blue?..)

W8: W7 with tablet interface tossed over it, bootloader removed from boot (bootloader is now AFTER the operating system starts, its freaking retarded. Now you waste time loading two OS' to get the one you want open), no more safemode (so no way to get around viruses (besides, the bootloader being afterboot means that if you have a bad virus, it isnt going to matter anyways, you'd need a bootable CD/DVD/BR/USB/etc)) the replacement is a CMD option, where even with that, it has to reboot to load CMD from somewhere else (so don't think you can load explorer to get some form of imitation safemode. after nagivating to your other partitions, stuff like winrar will work though) If you re-enable your startmenu (defaultly gone and replaced by tablet crap) you will loose any new/additional features added in your user profile, it will just go back to W7.


viruses for windows would basically work on any windows OS, the fact that most programs run seamlessly between OS' is plenty of proof.

Seriously, what big features do you think XP is missing in halo modding?.. If you want your sidebar nagivation, replace your Internet Explorer favorites with shortcuts to all your folders, poof, instant navbar in XP explorer. Want your startmenu search? theres programs for that, etc. You can get all of W7's new features in XP while saving ram, and if its a laptop, battery power too. With more battery life, you can mod longer while on the go.

Linux, works great with HCE, I can even get additional information from HCE that I've never seen in windows, just by launching it from terminal. 3dsmax8 doesnt run correctly (I know I had it running once, forgot what I did) but there is ways to get around it.

Linux is an awesome OS but it's incompatible to almost everything. using wine makes programs slow down cuz there not running natively. im the one who voted for XP though. but still, lack of dx10 makes xp terrible for gaming, and any patches makes it just as bad as linux; not running natively.

XP, my FPS on Vista and 7 are terrible when compared to XP.

300 viruses daily

wow

l2 internet



I like your style. I dual boot 7 and ubuntu
Edited by HaloIsAHorribleGane on Dec 9, 2011 at 02:44 AM

for f***'s sake, I'll change it.

but windows 7 is like a flashing target, to cripple that is to give MS the bird. I don't have Linux or OSX in the options cuz Halo CE & editing kit will not run on them natively.

Really, the only thing ubuntu has going for it is fast as hell boot times and security.
Edited by Actual on Dec 9, 2011 at 03:12 AM

oh and the fact that it's free, let's not forget that

yeah uh use wine on ubuntu. most windows apps run fine on it

there's obviously going to be complications since ubuntu has the whole "you have to find drivers manually" aspect, but you can very well run windows apps on ubuntu pretty easilly

not to mention many of those windows apps even run faster than in windows lol. install MS office in wine, installs like 3x faster, office loads 2x faster, etc. (had to do this because openoffice wasnt liking the special formatting in some homework assignment I was given)


Come on, ubuntu comes with so many drivers lol, I just need to tell it to install my nvidia which it knows about already, and poof, my driver collections on both computers are done. No windows system comes that prepared for either of my computers.


anyways, run HCE in wine from terminal, watch the output lol. at the end, it acts as if it was compiling a map.

I had a hell of a time getting my monoprice graphics tablet working with Ubuntu. And even then Sai had no pressure sensitivity in wine

Gimp worked fine, but Sai is my program of choice

furry

please don't pull things out of your ass. it muddles the results. WINE is a program loader if your crap runs good under linux it'll run better on windows, thats a definite.

dont get me wrong, i love linux, ive installed it on every single computer in my house. but when it comes to gaming it fails to deliver. this isnt an os war anyhow, so please restrict discussion to windows based OS's.

if anyone has some cons for W7 feel free to mention them. the ones listed, as i said before, are from my expereince with the respective OS's and speculation.



pulled that from the mac websites, apprently it's a big problemo for MS marketing. like i said, speculation. ive only gotten 5 viruses with Windows, surprising since i do torrents and stuff, but id imagine tons more out there.

Linux has been added to optoins and your votes have been recorded, thank you.
Edited by Actual on Dec 9, 2011 at 06:39 PM

Best OS for modding/playing Halo titles:

Whichever one you find most comfortable and that actually works on your computer.

this isn't a flamewar, so that wont work here. just say which os you're comfortable with most halo-wise so any passer-by can discern which works best from the OP.

If you're really that worried about Windows Defender, UAC, and Vista Aero detracting from your computer's precious performance you can easily turn them off. There is literally nothing stopping you.

Also

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/09/why-does-vista-use-all-my-memory.html

Add memory management to the list of things Vista does better than XP too.



Just like they run on Linux under wine lol. Also UAC in windows is basically Sudo in Ubuntu, so as far as malware is concerned it's the same rules, if you give a malicious program super user privileges you're going to get compromised.



Hahahahahahahhahahaha no it doesn't what are you talking about.

I've used XP through 7, and various linux distributions on a handful of pcs, including on the same ones, and I have NEVER noticed any of these performance hits people complain about. These PCs have ranged in specs from Pentium 4s with 512mb of ram, to my current pc with a Core2Quad and 4GB RAM running Seven, after running Vista.
Edited by SeL on Dec 9, 2011 at 07:08 PM

Thing is, it does. I did it on both my PCs, my laptop using a 32bit linux and XP, linux installed office far faster, and loads it far faster. Same with my Desktop, comparing W7 64bit of a 64Bit linux. Linux file systems are intended to be far faster, so its completely reasonable for a program to install to and read from something made to be faster, faster *shrug* All I know is that it goes faster, weather its wines magic, the file systems, or microsoft just failing, who knows, all that matters is it does happens. (Both windows use NTFS, in linux I either use EXT3 or 4, im not sure which one.. ill check some other time)


Even disabling every service you can, you still can't save as much ram as you can with a clean install of XP leaving the default services.. even adding a reasonable amount of additional crap on xp.


And since wine isnt always running in the background, you have to go manually load your virus every single time. And yes, UAC is one of the many ways microsoft works everyday at trying to copy linux. Have you seen the konboot stuff? almost (all? idk if W8 Developer Preview or W7SP1 are added yet) versions of windows, and a few outdated linux kernels can be used with any password, so if you either have an outdated linux, or windows, UAC/root is useless (although idk where UAC came into this discussion..)

And when I said it works great with HCE, I mean its great with HCE. There is a minor thing where sometimes it gives me a message about memory allocated in the same place as halo wants to be, but ya, runs as smooth as in windows, and the 3d processing hooks through wine gives me full active camo without havting to have any graphics fixes for my card, etc.

You don't seem to understand the purpose of memory.





Having free memory is NOT a good thing Kirby, the purpose of RAM is to store commonly used information where it can be accessed at a high speed, instead of read slowly from the hard drive.



Sorry, no.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2720&iTestingId=14752

I've tried to use it, it doesn't work very well for me, and the issue with WINE is that it's different for everyone, regardless it's still going to be less compatible on linux than it will be on windows.



That's not what I said at all.

I'm simply saying that if you give malicious software sudo privileges in Linux, you're just as screwed as you are if you give it administrative authority in windows with UAC. Linux is far from immune from malware, and anyone saying otherwise is trapped in a fantasy world.

So apparently vista and 7 do a horrible job at memory management, because when im watching movies, or playing a game, what I want loaded into the memory, is the movies, and the games. Good thing for XP where I can have the memory exactly how I want it; running on the programs im using, rather than default windows crap that I shall NEVER use.



As you link me to the wine page that says HCE is gold, the second highest level of app compatibility.. lol

Yes, if you download some random software, from a random source, that developed a package directly for your system type (deb, rpm, etc) rather than source code that you can just read, then you could get a random package. The distribution maintainer can easily supply updates to block those packages, or, you could just choose to install packages from trusted sources *shrug* If the source has been read and has been reliable, changes are its been submitted to a reliable repo. So why exactly are we going on about viruses?.. you mentioned windows stuff going in wine as well as UAC, I shot the wine one down (which then led you further away from the main point?.. idk)


Either way, I said what I wanted to many many posts ago (Probably summed it up in my first post..), if you want to keep arguing with me, do it elsewhere, its completely derailing this topic (why was this topic made again?... it seems like its just to bash different OS'..). if you post again directed at me, I'll ignore it (actually, im probably just gonna ignore this topic all together, ive said what I want, and the only things remaining here are arguments)

If you're having so many memory issues with Post XP systems maybe you should check if your RAM is faulty, as I've said, I've played with it on multiple computers with a wide variety of specs, and they all perform quite nicely.



Good job reading the list :]





As you can see the results are all over the place and range from Garbage (worst) to Plat (best).



Clearly by factually explaining why Vista is superior to XP I'm just here to bash other OSes, it's not like the XP fanboy who just bashes everything post XP because it uses more of his precious memory and runs a few more programs in the background.

its never made quite certain which os is most compatible with halo. xp, certainly, but what about 7+ that hav new features? you can see i listed pros AND cons to every OS and record results from votes not arguments. what anyone debates onlyhelps the purpose so a passerby can determine os is mostcompatible since everyone has diff experiencs.
Edited by Actual on Dec 10, 2011 at 03:01 PM

I'm confused as to why this argument is even happening. As I said, just use the OS that you find most comfortable and that actually works. A 10% fps increase or 10 minute loading time drop doesn't matter at all as long as you actually like the OS.

doesn't look like an argument tho, it looks like a covo between 2 ppl just.
i know nothing about win7 so can't add anything to that, i have fixed a few pc's with vista on them, and only found the extra prompts annoying. was no big deal, i stick with xp cause i have low ram to spend on an os.