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Lmao grunts, if that's how you define "pushing an engine to it's limits" then you don't know what you are talking about. You are simply using it in a creative way, not making it sweat (which is what "pushing" means in a normal context).

I mean wow, english isn't even my mother tongue and I understand it better than you!

That and what Bob said, you are a good man Bob!

Why would 343 engage in an inferior, more costly and problematic methodology, that of using external ad-on memory hacks and scripting, over directly coding in a new graphic layer when they have the source code to work with? No project manager in their right mind would allow for any production code to go out "pushing the code/engine to the technical limits". That is a recipe for disaster. I am not denigrating those who have made ad-in hooks to the game but comparing a professional profit oriented development team to a bunch of hobbyists is like comparing apples to oranges.

You think that some how, the community members here have achieved more and done more with this engine through add-on programs, than the professional company who completely integrated an entirely new engine with the capabilities to run modern graphics, in with the old engine, as well as adding new features, and the ability to toggle the new engine on and off...

Are you really that stupid?

Just the fact that they modified the engine to a degree that it can run this way is a ten times more of achievement than what little this community is done.

Not to say what this community has done is insignificant, but they are not up to par with a professional game studio.

Edited by Bobblehob on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:02 PM

uggh, you are making me repeat myself, regardless of the end result which is the graphical upgrade, everything they have done to achieve it is more that this community has. Stop acting like such an ass.

My point in starting this whole mess is that we have done some damn impressive things with Halo using what WE have to work with, which, in retrospect, is a heck of a lot less than some of the people who built the damn game in first place, and have worked on it's successors for years.

That is why Halo: CEA will most likely not make me say "WOW, look at that" with the little extra's 343 has stuck into with it, nor with the remade maps because, when you break it down to tools available and experience, and then compare that to the tools people of the Halo community have developed themselves, along with their own methods of manipulating the engine to do what they want it to using makeshift methods.. You would have to try pretty hard to not realize just how impressive the thousands of community made maps and mods that we have assembled as a community really is.




How you can say a year of whipping up a graphics engine and throwing in a few gimmicky features is greater than 6-7 years of hard work is far, far beyond my realm of understanding.
Edited by DieHard Bob on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:18 PM
Edited by DieHard Bob on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:19 PM

It doesn't matter in this case what the end result is, the fact that they put the original engine, and a second completely new engine together, and made them work seamlessly alongside eachother, is far more of an accomplishment than anything that has come from this community.

Wim has hair.
I win.

Pushing the limits of the engine, as a side effect of an inefficient program is not an accomplishment. And especially considering how easy it is to push the "limits" of the current engine.
Edited by Bobblehob on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:38 PM

Not my fault that you are wrong and won't admit it.

gotta love the blam! 4 or 5 engine
Edited by Hydrogen on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:46 PM

I wish it was possible to license the blam! engine for use in your own projects.

Btw: check out this interesting preview of Halo 4's concept art, has some links to Halo: CE events!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAKmu2yn3Fk
Edited by TM_updates on Oct 19, 2011 at 06:05 PM
*admin corrected link
Edited by Dennis on Oct 19, 2011 at 06:25 PM

It was a rhetorical statement to illustrate that there was no valid reason to in fact do what you are suggesting. You can't compare what the fans have done to what the owners of the source code has done in any measurable or meaningful way.

I am sure it can be, there was a Zombie game that licensed it. Licensing costs though could be prohibitive for anything but a fully funded company.

Haha, well played sir. I'll admit that put a big smile on my face :p

There's a difference between a community of numbnuts and engineers who have the source code for a game. It's FAR easier for them to do whatever they want because they have the source code. Case closed.

Exactly, the work and modifications that engineers can do, and have done in this case, is superior to this community.
Edited by Bobblehob on Oct 19, 2011 at 06:46 PM

Hahaha, oh ASP Grunts, when will you ever learn, that Mendicant Bias doesn't want to be with you :'(

P.S. next time dont send me xfire chatlogs of you being wrong, it looks even worse than normal messages.
Edited by Bobblehob on Oct 19, 2011 at 07:14 PM

Talking to yourself on xfire doesn't make for a convincing argument, but keep PM's to PM's guys. Stay kellogs.

If you want to prove to everyone just how ignorant and full of yourself you are, go right ahead, I wont stop you xD

Well, you started this again when you took it back to the forums after he moved it to the PMs. You can argue all you want but not here. PM's please.

There are changes in Halo CEA?

I like how it turns into Inception at 1:01

The music?

here's a great inception-halo mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU2W37jARG8

imo this is a great mix. if the writer did halo from the beginning then it would've been soooo awesome.

they only made an updated graphics engine. it isnt as if they combined two game engines together and some how they meshed together perfectly, they combined an engine that handles everything but what's rendering with an engine that handles rendering specifically. they wouldn't be professional if they couldn't do that. game engines are technically comprised of multiple engines that handle specific things. an easy example is how halo 2 combined an updated Blam! engine with the havok physics engine.

That is not true, in this case, they are using two engines layered on top of one another, but they have integrated the new rendering engine alongside the old. THe new engine only renders the new graphics, while the original game engine renders the original games graphics when the player switches to it. Also, it is not just the original engine. Besides the modifications that allow it to work with the new graphics engine, it also includes newer features like skulls and other gameplay modifiers and features that were not originally included. It is not simply one full game engine like the Halo 2 engine, with multiple parts, it is a combination of the original Blam engine, and a new graphics engine, with modifications to both.