You forgot Dennis.

And before you reply, yes, I did read through the entire argument...

And you are new, and tbh speaking out of experience with this community as you don't know the background, other wise you would know my proper community name. I'm stuck with this one because Dennis enjoys to clog up his databases with inactive accounts.

Google me: "Martyn Lee Ball".

oh, cool this backs up my opinion that cad is an immature self-righteous prick

also





lol, how's that whole respect thing working out for ya

I did,
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Martyn_Lee_Ball

Plus I agree with you.

Because other members know who he is.

This thread is disappointing. The elitist hype is really taking over...

Who the hell is "Lee Ball"... "Lee" is a middle name...

I'm sorry, is this what you meant to say?

LOL okay Daniel. Now shoo troll.

No... I mean, I could have said that, but it's not all the users that are like that. Parts of the community release stuff and some other parts leave their things unprotected for sharing.

So, this has gone from a mature(ish) conversation to immature name calling and accusing. All because youwas proven wrong and do not wish to admit it. :L

That's like saying a man who grows fruit for a living has the final say whether you like apples over say... mangoes. In other words, Sure the former fruit may be rotten, but some people like rotten fruit. Don't knock it just because it's not your taste.

You have experience, good for you. Does that mean you should let it go to your head to the point you call anyone who disagrees with you "children who should not be playing the game."
do you have a point? Of course you do! On average maps designed the way you say are more fun to most people. They also run smoother. Great! But you can't prove they're "better."

And shoot, since when does a game made over hours of time with meticulous planning have to be better than one made by a child? Judging by what I've seen in game and on this forum, it seems like a bunch of five year olds running around the playground have much more fun playing games of their own design.

"Good" is a completely arbitrary word and will continue to be forever.

Uh oh...

• Duplicate troll accounts?


• :L ?


• Arguments over the definition of a word?

aw damn it I missed daniels' posts

Stealing art is still stealing art whether it's legal or not.



oh boy chantards, this thread just gets better and better!

Its funny how some of you people take your opinion as fact and use it to back up your argument.
lol

all of you dont own anything microsoft does
Edited by milkkookie on May 2, 2011 at 11:35 PM

I own my thoughts (Inb4bigbroref)

pirating 3ds max and photoshop is stealing software and illegal on a federal level whether you think the companies overprice it or not

OH YAY! We're seriously doing this again!!!

For the 1 billionth time!

It's simple, if you put it into the halo engine, even if it's only on your PC, it is now officially Microsoft's property even though it is on your computer. No matter where it goes after that also doesn't matter. Still owned by Microsoft.
Whether Microsoft doesn't care about what we put in halo also doesn't matter.
Any ethical issues do not matter. (ethics are not law)
Any "aw come on man" issues don't matter.

Basic property issues are as follows.

If you think up an idea it is your property.
If you take this idea, don't have a patent, and verbally communicate the idea to someone, no longer your property necessarily if that person wants to do something with it.
If you own the necessary program, meaning bought the full version that says you can sell your stuff in the terms and agreements, then you own what you make and can sell or do what you want with it (I think).
If you try and sell something on a student version of ANYTHING, you may get in trouble, anything made on those is NOT your property and I am positive it is stated in terms and agreements of probably all student version programs.

Basically, with the budgets I am sure MOST people here have and the fact the items in question are wanting to be ripped from user created content ingamed to halo, no ownership issues can possibly arise here unless you happen to be making millions of dollars because you are the owners of the Halo franchise in which case, qwitchurbitchin.

3D studio max and Photoshop aren't the only available tools in their trades.
If I remember correctly, Martyn Lee ball used Gmax for several years and caggerin uses sketchup.
As for the Photoshop thing, there are other tools such as paint.net, GIMP and many more.

I've just read through the entire thread and it's amazing just how irresponsible certain members are.
I understand both standpoints of both closed source and open source.
Open source allows new discoveries and techniques to be shared meanwhile closed source allows control of how that is used.

I personally think if someone is going to go through the effort to protect not their tags but the work and effort they've gone through to create the tags then the author should be respected for their wishes.
Cheating, begging and stealing just to gain access to someone work which might have taken them days even years in some cases will get no one anywhere.
Imagine if you worked towards saving up for a new car and the next day someone broke in and stole it?

Not that I don't agree with you on these points, I agree that the wishes of the creator should be taken into account and that people should at least be grateful enough to credit the author, but no matter peoples opinions in this, the fact of the matter is that there are just some people out there who are royal (_o_) and really couldn't care less. I care about wishes of the creators and that is why anything I create will be released to this site for anyone's personal use in any way they want to use it. Unless you have a way to go to their houses and beat the crap out of them and tell them to not rip, there is absolutely nothing people can do about people ripping others content, not crediting content, or anything of the likes. It's pointless to debate a point that can not be enforced and will not be enforced by anyone.

Also, if you think your content is fully yours and think for some reason you should be entitled to keep it to yourself or for some reason you think it has some form of value, what the heck are you doing putting it in THIS game?!

I accept the map authors wishes and there reasons For why they protected it but wouldn't it be nice to have a community that shared? If only it was like that we wouldn't be having fights and threads on how to rip protected maps.the community would be a much better place...

On the other hand it Is not right to steal or rip and use tags from a protected map without permission. alot of the maps are pretty much extracted tags and bsps compiled into on file and really there is no reason why they should protect them and there no point ripping them.

thank you for stating the obvious?

Despite legal issues, nobody up there really cares about what we do in a PC game over a decade old. Sure, you can get sued and all, but still...

With all do respect higuy, you have been caught stealing other people's work before and claiming it was in fact your work.

And it was?

Also, who are you?

I used to work really close with you in the past, so I base my claims on inside information.
You know what I'm talking about!

You are wrong, i would remember that.

Considering you can't even say who you actually are, im going to say I have no idea what your talking about.

ie idc

Just think about it, you should be able to figure out who I am.
I just want people to know that you don't deserve all the credit you get, most of your stuff is stolen.

Okay, if you care so much about the people and how my stuff is stolen, you could at least tell them what I stole. Considering you seem to know exactly what it is, this shouldn't be too hard for you.

Edited by Higuy on May 3, 2011 at 06:56 PM

Did your mother not teach you any manners?
I'll let you come forward and hence save your reputation.

Does it honestly look like I really care that much about my reputation in this community?

Also considering the fact you made a new account just to say all of that, I think my reputation is doing alright

Alright I'll give you one last push in the right direction *cough Lumoria *cough
I will say no more, it's time you step up and act like a man!