Anyone else notice how all the new kids that have joined within the last 3 months are just people that are constantly ripping stuff? Halo reach warthog, halo 3 scorpion, halo reach ghost, etc... And they're all part of teams like FRMT and that Reach custom edition thing. You know, I'm glad that the community is getting the tags, but I think people should actually have some skill and make things from scratch. Idk, it's just kinda annoying. What do you guys think? (Idc if this topic dies, just wanna know what people think, thats all)

No one is imaginative anymore and those who are make too high poly of items that will never be released or items they have no intention of sharing but with their 3 closest friends or for that matter, even finishing, so the people who are unimaginative and want stuff just rip it. Simple as that.

been complained about several times in the past

if you haven't noticed, this has been an ongoing event since like, i dunno, 08?

I know

Like I said, idc if this topic dies, it's pointless
Edited by Sergeant 1337 on Mar 5, 2011 at 10:18 PM

it wouldn't be nearly as bad if they would stop trying to act all professional about it and trying to recruit other members into their horribly unoriginal escapades

^this too

Someone in this thread hit the nail on the head.

Guess who.

I have actually been working with Halo CE for quite some time now (and using this website for tutorials and stuff) but I only recently joined the forum, and I have been REALLY surprised at all of the ripped content.

I have seen some VERY VERY impressive, original work in some of these forums as well, but I also noticed that it is way to high poly and/or they never release it. And nobody completes anything around here.

Maybe we can change that, we just need a few really good modders that can make AND release some good quality content.

Gane
Edited by IcePhoenix on Mar 6, 2011 at 04:04 AM

you flatter me

As soon as I read that kids in here are trying to get Halo Reach built in to the CE I laughed. Wow, been a while...

That's not exactly funny; it's moreso saddening.

:)

The only custom weapons I like are the fizz gun and the rail gun because it's good for taking down area 54 skeletons. The rail gun is so awesome, bungie actually copied it's concept and interprets it into the spartan laser and the DMR .
-Zekilk

Well..... if ya want somethin weird/creative, wait for Adolif's next map

The Halo Reach warthog is nothing more than Reach's diffuses over the Halo 3 warthog. These people aren't really doing anything impressive - Hr3shy gave me the diffuse 6 months ago. As for the Halo 3 scorpion? You'll be disappointed as HNMP have made it like the regular scorpion (NO ADDITIONAL GUNNER SEAT). To be honest, the Scorpion took more skill to ingame, where as the warthog was just 2-3 new diffuses over this http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=5680 . Halo Reach ghost? i call bs. Its probably just the Halo 3 ghost with Halo Reach's diffuse.

This one was done by Bourrin, however... I'm pretty sure (98%), Bourrin did some model modifications as well as just sticking a new diffuse over the top of the halo 3 warthog. Screen shot is dated: 2nd November 2010.


Not that i actually have any issues with Salvo, re-dubbed as HNMP... but they're just ripping from Halo 3 and then refusing to share the tags.. They rip for themselves, say no when you ask and then release their maps unprotected for all to rip.
Source: HAI SPHINXBIO!

I am the founder of HRCEMT, working with FRMT and have recieved help from H2MT. I'm offended. I am by no means unoriginal, and understand the dislike of rips in this community. This is why Reach CE is planned to just be a very short campaign, say, 5 minutes per level, with simplified maps. I have been asked to do a thing like Lumoria with Reach weapons etc.
I refused.

Instead, there will just be a short campaign, with custom content from the book 'The Fall of Reach', in which you are part of John-117's squad as Kelly/Sam/Linda etc.

Please do not consider my work unoriginal, I am looking forward to coming up with new ideas, as are my coworkers. I am just a kid, and therefore little progress is expected. I'm busy. Still, there is progress. As long as ideas remain, I am happy, for I still remain above my peers in real life.

New MP maps are also being worked on.

Please, state your opinions openly in the direct threads, don't make ignorant statements. Ask what we plan to do before jumping to conclusions. If people just want to rip, let them rip. It still adds to the community, and you have to accept that.

P.S. I've come up with a couple of ideas for custom armour/weapons if you're interested.



I came to halomaps for a helpful, experienced community. Not one that dismisses newcomers as failiures.

Your work? You mean other people's work.

So copying weapons and assets from another game and then also attempting to recreate its levels is original?

If you were honestly asked to "do a thing like Lumoria", you should of taken it. Making something new than making a remake of a bad game in an even lower engine is totally worth while and better.
Edited by Higuy on Mar 8, 2011 at 09:32 PM

lumoria wasnt original, just saying

We need something new! no rips, no try hards, and none of this other stuff. lets make something new shall we?

.... Ah I can't think of anything yet. But I agree with Higuy.

there is nothing new TO do.
Even The Barenaked Ladies will agree that it's all been done before.

Halo Reach is an awesome game. The best part is the ability to punch alien ostriches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwgkF71FTXE

Although yeah, we should be making stuff that make CE unique, while still being true to Halo. So, not just another h3 ghost, but not mw2 m4, but something like a crazy new Covie vehicle that isn't in any of the released halo games.

I'm really bored here so I'll just pick apart your argument for you.




Why does it not surprise me that your "teams" end with "MT"? (mapping team). It is so old and cliche that it's just not worth looking at teams like that anymore. I assume the first team stands for "Halo Reach Custom Edition Mapping Team". If this is true, why haven't we seen any custom work? Hell, we haven't even seen any (legit) ripped work either!

Received help from H2MT in doing what exactly? And which H2MT are you talking about? HDoan's H2MT died a long time ago so they can't ever have helped you, and if you are talking about that other H2MT, well they just barely exist and only DarkLord has been seen recently, but with no progress. How can a ghost team help you when they can't help themselves?


We don't care if you are offended or not, this is the internet. You say we call you "unoriginal", but you've given us no reason whatsoever to call you otherwise. Prove to us that you are not unoriginal, show some past custom work or even show us that you CAN do something like texture, model, or animate. If you understand the dislike of rips in this community, why bother mentioning it? I haven't seen you even show rips at all, and just goes to show that you can't even rip. Rips may be "bad" but you don't show us even that.



Are the levels just going to be modified SP maps with one or two crappy reach weapons? Show us that your "team" can even pull this together. What exactly do you mean by simplified maps? Will they be box maps? :o

Who asked you to do a "thing" like Lumoria? Who has the authority to ask that of anyone? People (Higuy's team) just do it for fun, not because someone told them to. PLEASE don't mod Lumoria with cruddy Reach-attempt weapons, cause that's what I think you're saying here. Why did you refuse to do this anyway? Do you not have all the assets necessary for a Reach mod?



Not much for me to say here, this actually sounds like a good idea. Can you describe what kind of custom content was in the book? Besides, if it was taken from the book, could it really be custom? I hope you're not talking about CMT's Ma5k.



What work can we consider unoriginal when all you've given us is words? You may be a kid, but that's no excuse to have little progress, and if you have ideas, how can you be happy just having them and not applying them to Halo CE when you talk of such fancy teams? HOW do these "ideas" put you above everyone else? It's this type of unwarranted arrogance that really pisses me off. You are a KID, now that doesn't mean you can't be anything in life right now, or reach higher goals someday, but that does not put you above anyone else, In fact, I'd like to get my hands on you and take a hot steamy dump down your throat.



Me, and everyone else accepts that ripping gives and takes from the community, don't start a flamewar over it.



We don't dismiss you as a failure because you're new, we do it because you have all these ideas of grandeur, "original work", and teams, but you show nothing that can prove it.



Please show us, it will prove most of what I said wrong, and believe me, I want to be proven wrong. It would mean we actually have a semi-productive member.

Not sure what to say to all that except, ditto.

Lumoira isn't original in the sense that it uses the original assets from Halo, but its original in the fact that we actually designed and created every single encounter/bsp thoughtfully.

And what more can you ask for? This IS halomaps after all

I loved Lumoria. It was good, quality stuff. With all due respect, most of the custom stuff here has unrealistic/no textures, and the same with the actual models being unrealistic. Apparently few custom ideas are popular, save the railgun, mythos etc. Most of it isjust comic relief or someone having a vision after getting high...

I also agree with the fact that nearly everything has been done before. I have had arguments about the fact that Halo 2/Halo 3/Halo 3 ODST were never fully replicated, what makes me think it can be done with Reach? The fact that what has been done is good quality, it's just that that field of work is so highly criticized, that and the fact people can't be bothered in this community. Maybe I'll just continue with modacity?


Our teams end in 'MT' to keep a classic feel. I like cliche.

The H2MT talked about is the one that made H2MT Boneyard - StatutoryTrOY, Slaters Fury, KIlls alone...
Last I heard from them, they were doing fine. I even played H2V against Kills Alone...

I'd just to point out that words are one of my best areas (that and I.T). I owe you nothing, so stfu. I do what I like in a free community, to express myself with new content in Halo CE. HRCEMT was originally founded to put to use the ample resoources available. I have been increasingly interested in a book remake, however. There were SPARTAN - IIIs in one of the books...Ghosts of Onyx I think?

One or two crappy reach weapons is not the case. We are developig a complete armoury.

It's not a case of what custom content is in the book, seeing as most of that has been doe, even the armour.

I remain above my peers in real life because I am a nerd, and above the standards of those in my year,at around A-level standard. Literature, science and maths mainly. And I'm 14. I have homework and other priorities. I came here for a little help for a little hobby project, not intensive detail on your community's opinions on how crap it would be.

I have a few drawings of custom armour and weapons, nothing overly special.

By utilising books I mean adapting parts of the storyline, such as training in the forest, taking down marines and stealing a pelican. Killing insurgents. Blowing up a covie ship. Making it to the Pillar of Autumn with your dead friend's body in your hands. Fighting as Kurt on Onyx, in an unwinnable battle at the end of which you sacrifice yourself. Stuff like that.

Despite what you've said, I know stuff a lot more unoriginal than this has been done. Why don't people flame on those countless bloodgulch mods?

P.S. Has anybody ever used the SPI armour tags? Rofl.

So, what if I scrap the Reach-inspired stuff and use stuff from a variety of periods, including custom content, to make something inspired by the books? Would you be happy? Would I be better off on another website? P.S. Some custom content may be non-canon.

You happy yet? I'll give some concept art. I really dont understand the doubts and need of evidence in this forum - "pics or it didn't happen", "you suck unless you release stuff", "PROOF?!" etc.

I honestly think you target the new members WITHOUT GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO PROVE THEMSELVES. My aim is not custom content to please you. It's a little project to have some fun while I'm waiting for my GCSEs, at which point I will leave.
Edited by Petera275 on Mar 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Dude settle down. This is Jesse we are talking about here. One of the most accepting people in Halomaps. He's simply saying before you go claiming you are going to bring a new meaning to "custom" in halo custom edition, show how you intend to do that.

By custom I mean something nobody has done before, maybe something based on books seeing as nobody save my team and a few others likes the Reach-inspired thing.
I came to halomaps for help and support in a little fun project. That's it. I would release it once it was done. Being perfectly honest I have received more criticism than help, so I have a right to be a litttle angered/offended.

Sorry for overreacting. As I have repeatedly stated, HRCEMT was founded to put use to the masses of resources and possibilities for CE I found in my research before coming to halomaps. Extra chapters from the books was aways part of the plan, as I enjoy the books. I especially enjoyed the marine point of view in 'The Flood' and the revelation that John - 117 actually fought alongside a marine whom he hoped to marry but couldn't reveal his identity to her in Halo 2. Enough with the book talk...

Anyway, apologies if you think I'm arrogant by stating I am above my peers, but with all due respect to them, the majority are rather simple-minded, get terrible grades, have an obsession with being 'badman' and being total idiots. My entire country is downhill to be honest. I only know a couple of decent people in my year.

Anyway, all I'm saying is, you claim we try to act all professional and think we're skilled. I don't. HRCEMT was a goodbye to gaming/modding, and a chance to test my abilities, that of the halomaps community and a chance to accomplish something in the community rather than do small personal projects purely for my own amusement. I'm hoping others may like it, it's just that there's so much prejudice among the forum members. Despite this, the last time I threatened to leave to go to a different community, many members did say they were looking forward to Reach CE.
Edited by Petera275 on Mar 9, 2011 at 03:18 PM

It still felt like Halo still. I didn't see much New ideas being placed behind the project myself.

Lumoria wasn't about new ideas, it was about testing the capabilities of Halo CE, creating a custom non-canon story some would find enjoyable, utilising classic soundtrack pieces and making a new yet familiar experience.

I didn't find it. It felt more like a DLC for an xbox game, just a new level. Lumoria want new at all.

Same story here, I know how you feel. Eliteslasher is right though, when he says that all we want is some form of proof that you've really thought this out. You seem to have some good ideas but this community has seen people give ideas and not do anything at all with them, so I think you need to forgive the community for being extremely resistant to change.

then to bad for you, some people did/didn't, and others enjoyed it and appreciated the quality work of something actually produced and released that was decently fun.