Ok, well i got my HEK working properly again and i can now finally finish tactical-assault, and i have to ask, would you guys like to see brutes in it or not?

Yes, I think it adds to the diversity to the covenant. When does tactical assault take place? You could have the brutes fighting the elites, thus adding another 'team'.

brutes are the worst addition to enemy troops in the halo universe. big, loud, obnoxious, slow bullet sponges.. no fun to fight at all

Lol, yeah they can be bullet sponges at times...

@peepzee: Tactical-assault really has no story, its more of just a sp map to play when you get really bored.
Edited by d4rfnader on Dec 10, 2010 at 07:53 PM

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While I agree that Brutes are sponges(especially in halo 2). If you could nerf their health to less, they could work.

Then they would become big, loud, obnoxious, weak targets.

I didn't mean drain their health to lower than a grunt. Your could also eliminate the noise they put off through guerilla, I'm pretty sure.

YES to brutes, they're loud, cockyness makes them all the more fun to kill, and if you set them up right they can be great openents and very satisfying to kill, unless youre diehard prejudice against them (im lookin at you AG)
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 10, 2010 at 08:16 PM

It's not prejudice; H3's campaign was ruined by the Brutes. They were dumb, big targets with colorful gay looking shields (lold4rf) and a ridiculous pack mentality. They lacked any real combat tactic other than shooting at you.

Think about it, every other alien has their own effective combat tactic:

Grunts: Sheer numbers, cannon fodder, and the occasional kamikaze. They seem to be put in just to waste ammo on (would be more effective if there was a scarcity in human weapons).
Jackals: Shield and phalanx-type formations. Occasional deadly sniper.
Drones: Huge numbers and all-around fire.
Elites: Strafing and deadly accurate fire.
Hunters: Huge body, resistance to fire, and powerful primary weapon.
Skirmishers: Awesome speed and jumping ability, making it impossible to kill while on the move.

But what role do the brutes fulfill? They lack sheer numbers, they don't surround you with shields, they don't move to give all around fire, they rarely strafe, and they aren't fast. Their only advantage is their resistance to fire. Even still, this doesn't prove effective because the noob combo and/or headshots are viable.

*all of the above was from experiences in h3

Well, they are brutes, they're not supposed to be very tactically adept. If you look at their backstory, on their homeplanet they achieved space-flight but then blew themselves back into the stone age and had to start all over again ._.

That's hardly an excuse. Brutes are a horrible element for gameplay, and were a horrible replacement for the elites gameplay wise. The Brute's role in the Halo Universe would be better told from a book than a game.

Then be creative and make your own element of gameplay for them. Make them do something they wouldn't do in Halo 3 or any other Halo game. Make them fun yourself. The two words I am focusing on are BE CREATIVE.
Edited by pwner5889 on Dec 10, 2010 at 09:57 PM

Make this map take place during the start of the Great Schism where you fight elites and seperatist grunts and hunters who in turn fight brutes and loyalist grunts and jackals. or maybe also add some flood and forerunner, 5-way battle ftw.

you keep using halo 3 as an example, have you even played reach? imo ALL the ai in halo 3 were poorly done and it didn't feel like real combat

in Reach the ai are a lot better

the brutes move around shooting usually single precise spiker rounds with a low rate of fire, have no shields, and they're helmets must be taken off for them to be killed (one of the few elements they retained from halo 2)

they are very dangerous at close range, and the fact they move in packs and usually fight in unison with each other means they throw plasma grenades as a group, and they travel slow and not far but you have to watch your back

the ironic part of their close combat effectiveness is they are susseptible to being hit a few rounds with an assault rifle and a followq melee will usually end one if you can hit them before they hit you

they use stalkerish behavior, usually creeping up from behind


they are MUCH better in reach then they are in halo 3, which is outdated. (I'm actually fighting brutes right now because I'm playing Reach)

don't base your opinions on an outdated game, because no ones trying to make brutes fight like in halo 3 or halo 2 for that matter, I know MY brutes' fighting tactics in my mod are being worked on to be as close to reach as I can get them, and then make them better

so PLEASE quit talking about halo 3's ai, outdated games are outdated

Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 10, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Yeah. Brutes with energy swords would be a pretty cool concept. Maybe even revamp them to serve as shock troops alongside the traditional Covenant units.

LOL, that would look kinda funny, big brute holding little energy sword.

It actually looks pretty cool. It's not like it's super tiny or anything, although it does seem a bit smaller than it does when being held by an Elite.

im gonna add a bit of info on brutes: Ones in caps are my experience
Tougher than Elites
Stronger than elites
Stupider than elites
NEEDS ANGER MANAGEMENT
Very annoying on legendary
Appears in squads commanding "lesser" Covenant therefore increasing combat efficiency
Are "pretty good" shots
In my experience, uses grenades better than Elites and Grunts
THEIR UGLY FACES AND GORILLA POUNDING TEMPTS YOU TO KILL THEM
Could have posed a more dangerous threat if they didnt "rage" after you knock off their helmets in Halo 3 and ODST
Drains ammo and grenades after a short time in a small firefight

Aannnd yep, that's pretty much it. They were hell as annoying on ODST, never tried Reach YET...

not to mention if the brutes were deployed in flanking positions, they would absolutely destroy you.

Takes two or three melees to kill them too. I just noob combo them with the plasma pistol + melee.

Yeah but space gorrilas zooming toward a target is stupid.
besides, they like pounding more than cutting, that's why there's a gravity hammer.

also @ AGLion Skirmishers weren't even in Halo 3. Implied impaled nailed pale fail whale?
Edited by IcePhoenix on Dec 11, 2010 at 07:49 AM

hey when i was testing a beta for my firefight the brutes were invincible. Uh oh

wish that worked in reach...

sure, why not?

Well I think that sums it up right there.*Drool*

Wait, what is that message in the bottom left hand corner? LOL
Edited by pepzee on Dec 12, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Yeah, like a lot of people here, i've always thought of the brutes as just fun to fight, but some people seem to have a devout hatred of them =P

I have a hatred of the halo 3 brutes. I simply LOVE the halo 2 brutes.
Why? Because the act like brutes in halo 2.

Agreed

that brute looks like a POS compared to teh lags h2 one

The reason there almost invincible is because you never have much of a chance to use bullets against them.

I just love to see them rage and pummel the elites to pieces. Besides that the brutes just look more like brutes in halo to than halo 3, take a look:
This brute looks so cool:

This thing looks ugly and weird:


I also love how the brutes fight the flood. Like at the end of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGd42IksQLE

I wish there was an H2 brute tag on this site, that would be so much fun!
(I'll make a request thread for one later.)
Edited by pepzee on Dec 13, 2010 at 12:10 AM

and give them health regenration since there armor uses covie tech

I think the H3 ones are just boring. Plasma pistol their armor off and there just done for. It takes a lot of work to take down a H2 one. Thus making it more interesting.

Let's make a poll out of this:

Which Brute do you prefer?

H2-------1

H3-------1

H Reach-1

My favorite brute picture:

Edited by pepzee on Dec 13, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Edited by pepzee on Dec 13, 2010 at 04:18 PM