Just because the Prophet of Truth,Regret & Mercy are dead,doesn't mean that other prophets may take leadership in the covenant. Also wasn't arbiter a disgrace? The Arbiter is a failed elite who is sent on a death mission. Then again he survived.. So yea,I think that the covenant may follow in The Arbiter's footsteps,or they could just go on their own.

Anyways, Covenant would win by a long shot, Although, the jedi could deflect plasma ( I figured they wouldn't be able to,what are their lightsabers made of anyways?) the elites are still stronger and have better technology. Luke could probably kill one hundred elites..if he was lucky. But thousands more would just kill him.

good lord this post made me lol so hard

Like i said , 1 jedi cant defeat the entire coveneant armada.
Quote from "The Approaching Storm" , a Star Wars Novel based inbetween the timeline of "The Phantom Menance" and "Attack of the Clones" , it is said that there are only 2 ways a non-jedi can defeat a jedi in battle ,
-Lure them into a false sense of security-
-Overwhelm them with sheer force of numbers-
Option 1 is not viable with the Coveneant , they normally like to do things with brute force.
Option 2 is very viable , they would overwhelm the jedi with huge numbers of Elites , Grunts , Drones , Hunters , Brutes and Jackals.
Envision this scene :
Luke is on a Planet , and he has just landed recently , suddenly , an alarm sounds and everyone moves to defensive positions. Within hours of the first Coveneant sighting , the defences are overwhelmed , but the Coveneant choose to land troops instead of Glass the planet , as it has resources required to build more warships.
So Skywalker retreats with his Fellow Rebel troopers to a secure base behind the frontlines , but eventually , the coveneant break through. The base is attacked with Scarabs , Wraiths , Banshees and Ghosts. The rebels employ their defensive TurboLaser Turrets , but they are too few to stop the huge amounts of troops.
Finally , the end comes when Luke is the last man alive , but still is in the base , with a good postion in a room with a door too narrow to allow more then a single Hunter at a time. Even in the best case senario , the Coveneant dont destroy the room and break the walls down to let more troops pour in , he would still eventually run out of energy. Lets say that they sent in a hundred Zealots , (Elites with Swords) , He would still die.

Why do people consider Zealots as common Covenant? The only way a hundred Zealots would even be on the planet, would be if there were a hundred ships, as each Zealot commands a ship. It's not like the Covenant will gather up all the Zealots in existence, and say, "There's a dude with a lightsaber. We want you to kill him."

I'd love to see that.
There were plenty of sword elites in Halo Wars , were there not?
It was an IF anyway.

Halo Wars is fanon. Do not take anything in it as fact.

I believe you mean Canon.
Im not taking anything in it as fact , just as an example.
They wouldnt need to use Zealots to kill Luke , just lots of grunts anyway.

Sword Elite =/= Zealot. Do people not know the difference?

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Canon is the facts about a story.
Fanon is like fan-fiction, which Halo Wars definitly is.

Yes because I don't give a crap about what Bungie says. Look over every single fact of Halo, read every book, play every game, and do that about 15 times each. Then go and play through Halo Wars once, and you will see what I mean.

By 15 times, I mean games, not books. I love to read and I wouldn't read 2700+ pages 15 times.
Edited by RougeSpartan414 on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Actually, most of the stuff we had before was based on assumptions. For example, the lack of grunt and jackal flood forms was attributed to the fact that they were bad hosts, when there never was a single shred of evidence to prove that. Maybe since the flood didn't have fun times with grunts and jackals during Halo Wars times made them learn that grunts and jackals are big no-nos.

I lol'd. It's impossible (except without an Ansible [From Ender's Game/Speaker for the Dead/Xenocide]) to send messages across space instantly, so Grunt and Jackal Flood Combat forms are impossible.

Also, Bungie does not own Halo, so I don't care what they say is canon or not.

Last time I checked, I'm not talking to Bungie on the game, and even then I would interrogate them as to how they can be so stupid and say that Halo Wars is canon.
Edited by RougeSpartan414 on Jun 17, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Covenant Capital Ship > Rebel Capital Ship
why: Both have sheilding, but the Covenant's main gun (which is used to glass planets in its free time) would pwn the Rebels

Seraph rebel sniper
why: the Jackal's beam rifle is on par with the rebel snipers, plus it has an energy sheild

ghost stolen imperial dropship
why: sheer numbers

Arbiter < Jedi
why: one on one, the cloaking and the energy shield would pose a problem for the jedi, although once he sensed him with the force, he could just force him onto the ground and then stab him or something

Final result:
Covenant: 3
Jedi: 4
Jedi win

Strangely enough , i would read through a book 15 times but not play an entire campaign 15 times.

If the covenant would have been UNSC allies,there wouldent be halo 3.Only the elites joined them,that story was beginning from end of Halo 2,AND there were also some grunts and hunters when the elites joined them,its wrote it Halo Wiki,they didnt add grunt/hunter allies so it wont be confusing.Flood would pwn every race in the galaxy.They INFECT Creatures and multiply,like a Space-Zombie rampage.

How about Darth vader Vs Master cheif or Thel vadamm (arbiter).or Jedi Vs the cheif.Intresting..
Edited by MegaSquirrel on Jun 17, 2009 at 08:19 AM

if someone gives me a jedi biped. I would make it into a ai (of course i would make them have the same brain capacity and such) and let them dual. and you will all see you would win. Of course the force isnt capable in CE without sum stuff but its not exactly possible. So the Jedi doesn't get the force. So i wont give MC grenades. and im not going to bother making the jedi deflect the projectiles so ill give MC a plasma pistol. (but he gets to overcharge it)

Good, didn't like them much anyway :D


But really. I think that the Covenant would wipe out the Rebels. Now the Empire... that's a bit tricky...

CIS vs Sentinel
Empire vs Covenant
Rebel vs U.N.S.C

Those are the closest things you'll get to even matches in my opinion.

Rebel ships are superior to Covenant ships because Covenant ships need to lower their sheilds to fire, Rebels do not.


You would read 3000+ pages 15 times?

No, star wars does not. It takes 500 clones to do one job. It takes one crew (Star trek) to make a planet become peaceful again.

Hell, the federation has more word then the Empire or the Jedi council.
Star trek uses there brains first and then decides on what to do. Star Wars is like: Lets go guns blazing and see if we win. :|


Anyways, Halo beats star wars/star trek. :p

This is all i have to say.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/kung-fu-grip/162-Star-Wars-A-New-Halo
Edited by Koo294 on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM

E1: Heh, didn't make much sense.

Basically, Star Wars > Star Trek. Why? Death Star.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Jun 17, 2009 at 01:40 PM

Death star is for taking out planets... So your saying something that was already destroyed once in the movies can with stand an entire federation of ships from more then one race? Eh,...

Plus you have the Borg. Oh and the romulans that can cloak. They can just do what Luke did and blow the death star back to hell where it came from. :)

EDIT: Plus look how unstable the Empire and jedi's are. They shift hands in the matter of years. That's what you call unstable and not suitable to defend as well as they could from enemy attack. :)
Edited by Joshflighter on Jun 17, 2009 at 02:49 PM

The Soviet Union fell apart in 70 years with no real 'rebellion' fighting for freedom. The Empire needed to maintain thousands of worlds, hundreds of species, and they had to fight an interstellar war. Then the Republic gets the power and now they do it, then the Sith, then the Republic, etc.
Edited by RougeSpartan414 on Jun 17, 2009 at 04:22 PM

You my good friend have obviously never heard of the Confederacy of Independant Systems.

Seriously, they'd own the Flood no problem.

Also, Death Star II can target indivdual ships. Also, the Death Star II wouldn't have failed if the shielding hadn't of gone down.

Death Star II + Eclipse-class SSD = Sheer ownage.

The death star isn't so tough it only took a couple of teenagers,an dead old guy's ghost,a wookie, and one jedi to blow it up ... twice.

Play against the Death Star II and an Eclipse-class SSD in Empire at War. Eclipse comes with 21 TIE Defender squadrons and 21 Missleboat squadrons. Those alone are enough to decimate a Level 5 Rebel space station along with all the ships in it.

Luke was no longer a teenager in the 2nd episode , the ghost didnt help , it took an Alien that breathed with gills , a gambler , a jedi , a former smuggler and a princess , oh and the diversion of the entire rebel fleet.

People keep arguing that the Death Star was blown up easily, when all Master Chief had to do, was jump out a space station, land on a Covenant Cruiser, set the bomb, and fly off again.

And it was all timed perfectly, with a ship to catch him. If there wasn't that ship, would he have survived? No. If several Longsword bombers hadn't blown a whole in the Covenant ship, could he have gone inside? No. If the whole wasn't big enough, and the blast pushed him further from the whole than expected, and he didn't make it through the whole, would he have survived? No.

Could Luke have survived, without Han Solo interfering? No.

False. In Halo, the plasma is a liquid, and would just be incinerated when it touched the blade, like molten lava.
Edited by Karrde on Jun 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Exactly. The destruction of the first death star was luck, and timing. If the Empire completed the second Death Star, the Rebellion would be doomed. Which would be awesome.