Dennis don't delete this topic instantly, it actually may have some important relevance later.
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We have aimbots; according to my knowledge, aimbots are 'skill-less' use applications that when x button is pressed the user's aim is directed directly to the head of an opponent and 'locks on' and the user can fire at any time; however it is limited by the weapon's projectile speed and the projectile's arc, thus grenades cannot (easily) have a bot.

Triggerbots: From what I've heard about triggerbots, upon the target reticle going red, or the enemy entering the autoaim angle of the designated weapon, the weapon will automatically fire at the enemy, hence removing the human part of the player when it comes to aiming and when to fire. It does not lock onto the player as an aimbot does, and is harder to detect for this reason.

Blue Arrow: --CONFIDENTIAL-- NO PLAYER SHOULD EVER HAVE BLUE ARROW, EVER

6th Sense: Bigger, more mean version of Blue Arrow; a terrible tool

But what if something...new were to come? something called...aimassist?
The application is not what it sounds like, to me at first it sounded like aimbot v0.5; but quite the opposite. There is not much information about this tool, but it is believed this program is on the verge of cheating and 'legal' in the following way:
Apparently whenever you hold your targetting reticle over the target, smaller targetting reticles appear to the corresponding target, telling you where you should aim, to hit the target; it in no way changes ur aim, or fires for you; it merely tells you where you should aim according to the user's ping.
Although this new application seems like cheating; i think it may not be, just a different form to play halo. For example, in CS:S / TF2, you dont lead to hit the enemy, you actually shoot what you see (with a few exceptions); as well, TF2 has a much better netcoding, easing the whole 'shoot what you see' issue.
So is this new 'toy' really any better than an aimbot / triggerbot? And how would this affect Halo PC/CE as we know it?


So please tell me your opinion about these tools and your beliefs about them;
THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO STOP THEM, but what you THINK of them.
Please keep flaming to a minimum as I don't want this topic to go off-topic; I need it for something...
So, no flaming, no going off-topic and no throwing blames on anyone and don't go stupid, please.
(And please don't lock this ^.^;; took me a while to write this up...)
Edited by Dhark on Jun 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Any third party tool that gives a player an edge over others is cheating.

about this "aimassist," It doesn't sound like too bad of a program compared to these other ones. As you said it doesn't help you aim or hit the target any better, but is still a but risky.

e: I need to get some sleep before i can make a valid analysis of this.

So in conclusion, This may not be as bad as the other apps, but could still have negative effects because there is no way to make it fair for everyone.
Edited by corndogman939 on Jun 10, 2008 at 12:55 AM

This post is win.

i mentioned it merely because it exists; all ill say about it, is that in a way its more...tame than aimbot; but at the same time its far worse; it's the little brother of the '6th sense' so to speak.

As for selentic's comment:


That has no relevance to this topic, I was not asking if you should use them, but the following:
So is this new 'toy' really any better than an aimbot / triggerbot? And how would this affect Halo PC/CE as we know it?
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So please tell me your opinion about these tools and your beliefs about them;
THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO STOP THEM, but what you THINK of them.

I don't even know how to use most cheating programs except for dev and the only cheats I know is spawn all vechiles and weapons :S

Blue Arrow is a program that switches you to the other team, but doesn't actually change your color and the team you were on before you used it. Basically, it shows the other teams arrows instead of your teammates. It was made to counteract Coldsnap snipers, so you know where they are.
Edited by ODX on Jun 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM

But there is a bug after the game is over. for example: u orginally start out on red team, and u use bluearrow to go to blue. well when the game is over and u see the postgame carnage screen, in the next round u will start out as blue team.

ODX and advancebo are right, althou theres a more 'updated' one out there, however I don't know exactly whats been tweaked with it. (The more updated version is NOT 6th sense)

Garniso, 6th sense isnt aim assist, just the more...specialised version of blue arrow.
I do see your point about it possibly making things more complicated because ultimately the assister may lead more slowly than the person themselves; but I wonder, would it help people with a higher ping and/or weapons with minimal autoaim angle? e.g. CMT Pistol used in cmt_snowgrove?

oh theres this program called sensis. and it turns all players bright red, and u can see the players shilleoute through all obstacles. so its pretty much like a xray vision that allows u to see other players through anything.

how about you say something constructive in this topic, or not post at all? read the bottom part of my first post here if ur interested in actually participating in this thread...

this aim assist thing would be perfect for me, but i wouldnt use it. i do need to learn how to lead though. as good of a tool as this would be, it would be abused. so no.

Dotmonkey, please don't post junk here; at least say something constructive that actually contributes to the topic, rather than just criticise pointlessly. If you cant do that, then just dont reply pleae.

As for everyone else who has something useful to say, please do

if u wanna be viewed as a failure the ok.

6th sense is 1 of the most obscure tools that I know of, I cant really tell you who made it, other than that hes not a very nice person and has been bothering me for a very, very long time. I will explain about 6th sense when I have actual facts about it because currently I only have speculations about it.

Aimassist is real, but is not 'popular' yet; in time however it probably will get to be rather well known, for better or for worse. Most likely for worse

Just shut up dotmonkey. Your posts make no sense at all and they are bltant and stupid. Remove the GIF above me too.

Anything that gives a player an edge over another is cheating and for scum. Don't do it. Ever.

Well this is MY point: Be constructive to the conversation or do not post. Posting images as a response to something is kindergarten mentality. Please think BEFORE you post not while you are posting.

anything that give u an advantage is cheating. also another thing that bugs me is i always get kicked for no reason when there others with dev trainers and other cheats that never get kicked.

well, dev trainer as a client does not affect himself / others in the game because it does not sync, so all they are doing it changing what they see for a small moment; but the host / dedi will soon resync that client to the actual events.

As for Dev, it's almost the same with a few differences, like editing what you can see which normally does not affect what others see, other than yourself. The host / dedi does not sync this possibly because there is no netcoding to resync it (not sure about that)

I think that the aim assist is actually a very helpful tool. I mean what if you and your friends want to have a competitive match in a server with no lag or ping, yes that is impossible but, with aim assist you can all have the exact same advantage as the host because it does the lead for you. You just have to aim. I personally think it can be used for good and bad. So maybe make it and give it to trustworthy people.

Not all people can keep a mouse steady and still like you.

noo assisting! u point and shoot ur self!

Exploiting is going into places of the map where you're not suppose to be. Well, where did you kill him from though?

Exploiting is finding a hole in a something. For example, a PHP exploit means there is a hole in the PHP system that allow hackers to take control.

well, another point to look at would be that for people with higher to very high pings have a very hard time shooting people already; so this could help them. There's also the part where there are weapons with reduced autoaim angle / range like the CMT pistol in which for low ping players it affects them a little, but for medium - high ping players it seriously hinders their aim. For example:
Standard Halo PC/CE Bungie Maps: The autoaim with say the pistol is quite good, in that im able to competently hit a player while still missing occasionally. In CMT_Snowgrove though, I am not able to hit people with the pistol easily, quite the contrary i believe i hit once every 5-8 shots. My slightly higher ping does not help though.

A thought also occured to me: Perhaps this tool may not be able to help VERY high ping players to shoot people, the reasoning behind this is that lets say the user has 1200 ping, probably the program tells the little indicator thing or whatever to lead to 1200 ping and so the indicator thingy would probably show half way across the screen, but I bet it is assuming the player would be running that way for the entire 1200 ping. In which case it probably may become useless. I dont know.

What I do know however is that the program does not change the weapon's accuracy, lets say the pistol had x8 zoom and u found someone who was a considerable distance away, the assister would tell u where to aim, but your pistol is still going to be poorly accurate at that distance.

With those 2 points said I'm not TOO worried about this thing, I guess

i have never used a hack / tool in my life; I disaprove but there is no need to flame everyone who does, the question is not about morality of using them so much

there is nothing wrong the cheats and mods and trainers, but play fair! its like me beating up a retard, no fun! so when online, use what there using, wether its nothing or a trainer.

I didn't know what it was either, so thanks.
Edited by Scorpio on Jun 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Used in correct terms, it would be 'exploiting a glitch, or bug.' So the bug would be there's no barrier, so you found that, and can threw it onto of the map.

Well I have made a list of current hack that I know to exist.
The ones in red are the ones that I don't know if exist or not.

Shooter Hacks
Aimbot: Directly aims at the nearest biped by a holding a button.
clickbot: Directly aims at the nearest biped to your aimer when you shoot.
Triggerbot/Autoshoot: Automatically shoots when your aimer turns red.
Red Dot: A red dot appears where the aimer is and it glows when you are supposed to shoot.
Color Bots: Aims to the nearest biped that the color bot is set to.
Aim assist: Automatically leads for you and shows you where to aim.


Wall Hacks
Bluewalls: Makes all the walls/cliffs a transparent blue
Wireframe: Makes the map in wireframe mode.
Whitewalls: Makes all the color white except the biped and guns.
Remove fog: Removes fog for a clearer view.
Lime Green HUD: Makes the HUD and bipeds lime green
Inverted lights: Makes all the lights inverted for an easier view.
Full Bright: Removes all dark places.
XQZ: Makes all bipeds and guns visible through scenery and walls.


Trainers
Unlimited ammo: never lose ammo
Unlimited grenades: never lose grenades
Unlimited overshield: always start with overshield
Permanent active camo: always invisible
No overheat: plasma weapons do not overheat
Speed hacks: Changes the speed of the biped/game from the default
Cloner hacks: clones another biped of yourself for decoys.
Time freeze: freezes time for all enemies and allies except yourself
Automatic croucher: When enables you crouch by clicking ctrl instead of holding
Kill adder: Adds kills to your score
Random move app: When enables it makes your player move in random by itself.
Devtrainer: Allows you to enable devmode in a non LAN game.


Camera Hacks
FOV hacks: Change the field of view from the default of 70 degrees
Third Person hack: Changes the view to third person instead of the default first person
No HUD hacks: Makes the HUD invisible for a clearer view.
Sight Jacker: Can see what other players are seeing (Can be used to find the flag)
Flycam: you leave your biped and can fly around the map (can spy on other team)
Chasecam: chases other players/vehicles. (can spy on other team)
zeldacam: used to make the FOV like in zelda.
text disable: disables text in game.


Others
Profile hacks: Hacks the game to enable specific characters that were disable before.
Blue arrow hack: Makes you see the other teams arrows
Sixth Sense: Apparently worse than the blue arrow hack
Distance clipper: Enables the player to see beyond 3 km (Helpful in hugeass etc.)
Timer: app tells you when a powerup or specific weapon is respawned.
Edited by supersniper on Jun 12, 2008 at 03:36 PM

Eh heh, no no no. You see, I don't even play Halo that much anymore so that doesn't matter much to me. And no, it's not because of that, it's just my graphics card seems much worse now compared to my other computer.
Edited by ODX on Jun 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Then what do you do ODX?

aim assist might be good for the people who always shot aimbot. Well if everyone had aim assist in the match i think it would be pretty fair and not cheating. If there ever were an aim assist program i would like it to show that the player is using that program. Then i wouldnt have a problem with it at all.

i think that aim assist is more for the people who are new to gaming or just cant aim as well as others so i wouldn't consider that cheating

aim bot, i just plain hate people with aim bot i mean, are u seriously THAT bad of a shot that u have to have something else aim for u? but u never know maybe they are pretty good shots and just feel like using aim bot(just looking at it in more ways than 1)

trigger bot, if u use trigger bot then you've got to be the laziest person ever. if u cant click a mouse or pull a trigger then u either have no index finger on your left hand or your just extremely lazy

You have 300 ping?! You were really good in the server with me Kiwi and you.