but everyone got mad at 343 for doing that, so it's a lose-lose situation.

Oh well. Everyone hates them or loves them anyway.

I can kinda see where Higuy is coming from, though.
The entire stealth/ground portion of A50 is on a small plateau-mountain-thingy that's the only thing poking out of the clouds for miles around. The Truth and Reconciliation has no plans to fly away, and there's barely any room for you to walk on with your feet (let alone a giant, metal robot-thing). The more obvious you are, the more reinforcements -aerial, turrets, infantry, whatever- the Covenant can deploy. You could even stretch it and call this the first Halo Firefight level ever, long before Firefight mode even existed.

Remember this is a SMALL plateau-mountain-thingy. There's no way to get down (or even up) it from the ground except by Pelican, and there's only so much ground area that you can walk around. If you drop off a Mantis in that kind of place (which is probably no bigger than Liberty Island in New York), wouldn't that put both the Mech, the Pelican that's bringing it and waiting around to pick it back up, and the Chief (who has to cover the Pelly while it's deploying the thing) at unnecessary risk? How is that any more advantageous than, say, getting that Pelican pilot to move over for the Chief and let him use it as a gunship instead?
At the end of the day, you're just bringing in a giant turret with legs, but it can barely move around. So that's just a turret. It's barely even a vehicle anymore.

Yeah, I understand that it'd feel really awesome and epic if you have something powerful to fight back against the Hunters, 'shees and Phantoms. Like it's really cool, but... isn't that also kinda unsettling in a way? Isn't a powerful sitting duck still a sitting duck? (Especially when you could be a flying duck, instead. With guns. ....or maybe even a Pelican with guns. Hint hint.)



Whoa, wait. Back up. Fall of Reach is taken out of canon?
When/where did Bungie say this??

(If this is actually a thing, THANK YOU! I'm working on a campaign script right now, but I'm having a lot of trouble fitting that into the Fall of Reach canon right now...)


Edited by renegade343 on Jul 23, 2013 at 06:35 PM

^ lol .... let me rephrase that then ><
How is the book different from the game, and why should I consider it (and The Flood, Ghosts of Onyx and most of those other books, too, then?) as "out of canon" instead of a "side story"?

(PS: I only skimmed through the Halo wiki and Wikipedia to find out what happened in that book)

http://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_The_Fall_of_Reach
http://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Ghosts_of_Onyx
Both books are listed in the "Canon" category (shown at the bottom of their respective articles). I believe you may simply be confused about the times certain events took place.

Bungie didn't declare Fall of Reach to be entirely non-canon, but they had to retcon some parts to fit with the story in the game.

Like they've never done that before

Pretty much every game has reconned past games and media. Am I the only one who remembers in H1 the covenant thought halo was a weapon? Then suddenly in H2 it became some sort of holy relic for the great journey lol. Anyway, its a whole discussion for another thread, so if someone wants to further discuss it, please make your own thread.

True xD but being the original writers nd such, they had complete control over the story, so the games always had higher priority than the books.

In conclusion: CMT can do what they want because it's their project.

I always had the impression that it's both.. Halo is a sacred weapon to kill the Flood and help them transcend into gods. /covenantlogic

But alright, retcon it is then, thanks.



-and CMT might as well be one of the gods of Halo Custom Edition, anyways.
Yay, polytheism!

The entire war was based on blind faith and a desperate lie.

And peoples -er... things..- being paranoid enough to let that happen.
(I was just asking about Reach, not the whole war)

higuy once again thinking hes a great level designer lol

Oh please nobody argue now, ↑ that isn't worth it at all.

For the most part anyways. Moreso on blind faith, and then once truth learned about humans being descendants (or successors) of the forerunners, then it became the latter of the two statements



And here's you, thinking that you're helping in one way or another instead of being some random moron who thinks he's cool (Spoiler alert: You aren't).
I suggest you actually contribute to posts instead of derping around like an imbicile
Edited by R93_Sniper on Jul 23, 2013 at 09:08 PM

I thought he meant the SPARTAN program and ONI for the "desperate lie"? But that's true too.



Edited by renegade343 on Jul 23, 2013 at 09:36 PM

lol we got a pseudo intellectual and im not really random considering i have been going to this site since 2007 and i have always wanted to call higuy out on it

The "lie" is the one told by the Prophets to the rest of the Covenant.
They declared that humans are their enemies and that they must destroyed, after they found out that humans were supposed to be the successors of the Forerunners. If this was revealed, the Covenant would fall apart and that they would lose their power. Everyone else simply accepted what they had to say.
Edited by Dumb AI on Jul 23, 2013 at 09:51 PM

Naw he just means the massive cover up of a little mistranslation by means of mass genocide. Of course that little mistranslation (that humans are the forerunners' holy relics) was part of a larger ancient translation that could therefore be called into question due to the error in the fine print, and this much larger translation was at the forefront of the entire covenant religion. Moral of the story kids: When translating ancient text to build a large, powerful, highly religious empire, Make sure you translate everything correctly. Like seriously, use Rosetta Stone, or Mendicant Bias.


Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 23, 2013 at 09:52 PM

well we were supposed to have a trailer by now, but anybody who knows HEK knows that it absolutely cannot and will not allow anything to go smoothly, especially when precise times are supposed to be met

joke's on tool, though, because I've got an extra feature to fill the time until we can get things smoothed out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spme33LqCZA

...is the video component of a look at the frag grenade's explosion; words and pictures at the halomods thread: http://www.halomods.com/ips/index.php?/topic/680-cmts-the-silent-cartographer-evolved-media-month/page__view__findpost__p__8214

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I'm liking the frag's smoke ring. Will the grenade have actual shrapnel, or are the streaks of light in "other effects" simply particles?
Edited by Echo77 on Jul 23, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Assuming that anyone will actually manage to build a large, powerful, highly religious empire on the same scale as the Covenant. :P
Edited by Dumb AI on Jul 23, 2013 at 09:56 PM

nah, the canon can actually coincide since the SIIIs were still uberclassified and the SIIs would have no idea, they were both there, but in different places at different times, the only clashing of canon i know of is halsey meeting noble team, and the chief being in the POA's hangar before they got him back from the circumference.


technically, cortana INTERPRETED as a RELIGIOUS WEAPON, but the human covenant translation software was very basic at the time, she made a mistake. (i totally just made this up right now, but it makes sense, so ^ucket)

if the sIIIs were on reach, then that means ghosts of onyx would not have taken place as Noble team was created on reach, not onyx. that also means that, in ghosts of onyx, the sIIIs inside the planet would not be the last ones surviving, according to the records in the book. another discrepancy is that MC and the sIIs were created on reach, yet on onyx some sIIs were required to train the sIIIs, in which one was taken from a mission that MC was on. onyx is also set in the time between halo 2 and 3, so that means the sIIIs could not have been created before reach's glassing. the covenant were also already known before the sIII program, so there should have been no suprise in Halo: Reach when they came upon the planet as covenant have been known to travel in large quantities for the sole purpose of glassing human colonies. one last discrepancy is that the first halo could not have been discovered in HR's canon as the covenant in the book required an encrypted hieroglyph from the colonies, where cortana would have had no contact with it to eke the coordinates from.

the reason the sIIIs were created were to face the covenant threat using stealth and guerrilla tactics, and Noble Team should have been sIIs since they were defense and recon, especially because their tech is directly inherited from the sIIs.
Edited by master noob on Jul 23, 2013 at 11:06 PM

As always, excellent particle work! Is there a smoke trail that follows the grenade as it flies as there was in the original game? Either that, or a combination of that and the Reach style contrail make the frag grenade even more interesting and easier to see when its in the air.

Could I convince you to possibly do breakdowns of the other grenades, and explosion particle effects? I really miss all of the particle videos you were doing before the release of the original SPV3 T&R... :(
Edited by Bobblehob on Jul 24, 2013 at 12:35 AM

the flood was very similar to halo combat evolved, just added a covenant storyside and more of a story to unsc

fire and smoke should b a little bigger by a tiny bit, and the sound is kinda weak

False. In Halo 1, the guards of Keyes cell thought it was "just some weapon", whereas in b30, Cortana says "The covenant believe this to have some deep religious significance."

But other than that, just awesome. I can't wait for SPv3!

Ya think you could teach others to make stuff with that quality?

(Hint, hint)

The training for the S3 members of Noble team happened on Onyx, not Reach. Where they formed their little group doesn't really matter. The Spartan 3s themselves have existed for quite some time before the glassing of Reach.The companies Alpha and Beta were trained and deployed years before Reach was even attacked.

Edited by Dumb AI on Jul 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM

thank u sir, saved me the trouble of debating it with him, nextly, cortana hacked into ONI numerous times, the fall of reach specifically stated where she obtained the data before even leaving halsey's lab on reach. finally noble team acted differently because they were given a specialized (cheaper) and almost as effective variant of the normal (H1) mark v, allowing them to fill the same combat roles as the SIIs. please reread both the fall of reach and ghosts of onyx, thanks... and the guy below me is totally right.
Edited by greg079 on Jul 24, 2013 at 02:54 PM

If I may add something to the above debate that may change this conversation as a whole and life as we know it:

Kurt 051 was one supreme badass mutha fluffer
Didn't you hear? Spartans never die!



That totally changed nothing

It looks so realistic how the ground smokes for a few seconds after the explosion.... please find me a real example of this!