Actually I think there was only one instance in all of Halo 2 where a brute used a human shotgun, in the encounter before the arbiter acquired a ghost, it was after a cutscene that said "Step aside and let the man go through" if I remember correctly.
Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 11, 2013 at 02:44 PM

Except the shotgun is balanced against the other weapons. CMT might be less than amazing at balancing, but the shotgun was very well balanced by Bungie in Halos 1 and 2.

And then was terrible in every other Halo game

Be that as it may, it would be nice to see a Covy shotgun. An example, the Eviscerator, by Ifafudafi from ASCM. The needler mod worked very well and was well balanced. If the weapon made an appearance in SPv3, that'd be great :D but other than that, a covenant shotgun is very plausible.

In my opinion, CMT should ask the community their ideas for weapons and not continually brown-nose Masterz. Example, weapons that I believe could work well in this, seeing as they're CUSTOM.

1. Assault Rifle Class - The Vortex:

The Vortex is a human, battery based Assault rifle. It fires 5.56x7mm rounds out of a 20 bullet mag, and fires roughly 2 - 3 shots a second.

2. Sidearm Class - The Eviscerator:

The Eviscerator is a modified version of the Covenant Needler, that fires 10(?) rounds per shot and is essentially a covenant shotgun.

3. Sniper Class - Reflector:

The Reflector is a covenant sniper rifle that fires similar rounds to the Covenant Carbine. While a headshot isn't extremely lethal, a double tap to the head is sure to knock even the most thick-head spartan to the dust. With a reloadable 6 round mag, the Reflector is the weapon of choice for Jackal Snipers who prefer agility over power compared to the Beam Rifle.

Just because a weapon is custom doesn't mean that it would be well-balanced with the current tagset. Something that worked for Ifafudafi's mod might not necessarily work for other mods, because Ifafudafi rebalanced his entire tagset.

5.56x7mm would be ridiculously tiny. For comparison, a 9mm pistol round is 9x19mm. The Vortex's small magazine, low rate of fire, tiny cartridge, and reliance on a battery would make it vastly inferior to the current assault rifle.

ASCM's weapon set is an oversaturated hodge-podge of niche gimmicks and copious redundancy, with the few novel ideas buired behind amateurish guestimated "balancing" and an inexplicable need to adhere to completely arbitrary classifications that have (at best) tenuous or (more often) zero connection to any practical interpretation of the gameplay

I kind of liked the particles though

EMP rifle, drains shields instantly but does little damage for CMT 2013

You can't possibly be serious.

The shotgun in H1 owns everything short range, almost to mid range and has a crazy huge clip. It's not so much a problem in SP, but in MP it was near unstoppable unless you spammed grenades. It's also near fatal if a flood fires it at you.

In Halo 2 it's insanely difficult to use, especially since the projectiles disappear after 6 or 8 WU (forget which, but the range is the same as the sword), and if you are in range of it's projectiles while playing campaign, you're pretty much instantly dead and the game turns into stay away from the shotgun so the projectiles can't hit you.

I think he forgot to make it x70 mm...

However, having a 5.56x70mm bullet is just... stupid. Really. I may not be a gun-aficionado, but I do know something. Let me explain to you why it is stupid.

1: UNSC doesn't maim.

The 5.56 NATO round is meant to maim, not kill. The theory is that if you maim/injure/cripple a soldier, then you not only remove him from the battle, you also remove a Corpsman/medic. However, they might just end up like Faison. Aah...

The UNSC is a particularly heavy handed organisation, especially after the beginning of the Insurrection. It's described ad nauseum in the books, so I won't go into detail unless you goad me.

They are also faced with a bloody gigantic rebellion with smart bomb-makers, who mix their explosive compounds into bars of soap, tires etc. A 7.62 NATO, Russian, or x39mm would take a potential suicide bomber or plain bomber out in one shot. A 6.8mm x 43mm (If I remember correctly) SPC, by Remington, or something similar, would be even better, due to it's small size reducing penetration. Think of it - a bullet that large, but that short, will haemorrhage a body massively, far more than your typical 7.62. A one hit kill weapon is necessary.

2: The 5.56 wouldn't be that long...

If a 5.56 was 70mm long, it would be bloody useless on soft targets, or even targets with decent body armour, because we already have body armours, and possible armours (kinda like that special spider silk) that would block a 5.56, or at least stop it from entering at epic velocity. Increased length increases penetration to a degree.

3: The Covenant

Default Covenant body armour is more than suitable for stopping 7.62 NATO bullets, so why would the UNSC use 5.56? It's why you need to dual-wield SMGs to get decent effect on targets with armour. For gods sake, in Nylund's The Fall of Reach, an Elite took a magazine, of 14.6mm x whatever sniper rounds to the NECK, IN SPACE, to kill it. It may have been a Marshall, or a zealot, but that is still ridiculous defensive capability.

6.8 SPC would be FAR more suitable for a submachine gun, carbine or PDW -type weapon. It would have a large magazine, maybe a 60 round one, and a ridiculously high rate of fire and accuracy. Or something like that. I may even put in a full idea for it.

That's because it's designed for short range. It would be OP'd if it can kill you from across Hugeass. Can it? No. What type of shotgun isn't effective at short range? That's like saying a sniper is OP'd because you can shoot people who're far away.

I'm with storm on that. Despite the shotgun's ridiculous power at close range, once you go mid to long range, you'd be lucky to score a pot shot. Yes it tends to get shots in when you near mid range but a pistol (which is found everywhere in h1) or an assault rifle can take a shotgunner with relative ease. Halo 2's shotgun was horrid, we don't speak of it here.

Then again, in maps like prisoner or rat race, an assault rifle may or may not get beaten by a shotgun, depending on the player

I have to disagree with you. It is painful for an Assault Rifleer to take out a Shotgunner. They are practically at on the same footing, and simply by spam-firing the shotgun, you can easily take out an Assault Rifleer, due to the horrid accuracy of the AR.

And don't tell me to fire in single shots or bursts - Full auto is the only true way you can take out a shotgunner at close range, without grenades.

I don't think we should discuss every little detail of the vanilla weapons, else it turn into a Battlefield 3-esque forum. For gods sake, WE KNOW THE AEK IS THE BEST ASSAULT RIFLE! RAAGH!

Well, you can always step away and shoot him down with a pistol. Or shower your target with plasma and bullets.

People say that? Wow, I have actually never liked using the aek. I prefer the m16 or the aug

I can never unlock those missles in battlefield 3.... freakin jet....

If you happen to have the endgame dlc, there is a gametype that is conquest where everyone spawns in jets. just cap points and easily level up the jet. Oh, and btw, we should probably get back on topic

noted, ill try again when I get a gaming laptop

Where is today's update?

Well it is only the morning, and considering CE3 is tomorrow I don't know if they're going to show anything today.

If I skimmed correctly these updates are only about TSC:E. At CE3 we have SPv3 in general

I want new info before going to sleep (11:43 PM here)

ding

we'll have another tsc:e infopost before the day's over

And, 5 minutes before midnight, here's our Friday update!

http://www.halomods.com/ips/index.php?/topic/680-cmts-the-silent-cartographer-evolved-media-month/page__st__20__gopid__8136#entry8136
Edited by slashrat on Jul 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM


Edited by slashrat on Jul 13, 2013 at 01:12 PM


Edited by slashrat on Jul 13, 2013 at 01:12 PM

this is a question how?

or instead, hear me out, we wait for the project to be complete so we can all have a better experience how does that sound?

Damn, I was hoping you guys were going to use a more darker, more metallic forerunner design scheme with intricate abstract shapes and designs, not unlike halo 3.


But Whatever





Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM

No really?! I didn't notice.

Ill re post this till after ce3, it was just a sneak peak thing.
Edited by Choclate Thunda on Jul 13, 2013 at 01:17 AM

Ditto Chocolate Thunda.
Edited by Kozakuu on Jul 13, 2013 at 02:47 AM

Killer5000, can you stop posting? You've posted nothing of use with horrible grammar out of everything I've seen. Stop begging for a release.

you guys should make the arbiter levels as well as the human levels for halo 2, take all the time u need for spv3, lol im still on my "quest" for an awesome gaming rig

I agree. Killer, you make worthless contributions to this community. Whenever anyone criticises your work, you reply with a retard "lol" or "whatever". Grow up, use some damn grammar and actually research on what you can do in this engine; else wise, just observe and don't post.

Hey, here's an idea: how about we don't start a flame war at three in the morning (or whatever time it is where y'all are) by ganging up on a forum member for his disorderly conduct. Everyone has a right to post in this forum, and if you don't particularly like what they have to say (and it's not something on-topic that you can contest with a fair argument, such as the covenant weapon design), ignore it and hope Dennis deals with it. But calling someone ignorant (paraphrasing with that word of course, screw being politically correct with the exact words of posts this late at night, that just ain't happening) and telling them not to post is just shy of, if not equal to, bullying.

Seriously, this is what drives people to troll. How about we ALL grow up here?

If you got a problem PM him, start a petition for him to straighten up, or better yet skype him and tell him face to face why he irritates you. But DON'T muck up this thread with something that is 110 percent pointless to it.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's been a long, rough day, and I've got some sleeping to do.
Edited by Delicon20 on Jul 13, 2013 at 04:22 AM

Are the Grunts going to be cute.

Patience, young one. Patience is very important.