now you're just making things up to suit your arguments.


never made personal jabs, and the whole idea of criticism is to point things out that are not appealing.


I never claimed that they were stupid, and they are limiting creativity, not wasting. there is a difference. I also provided alternatives so that they may remove the ugly scratches while retaining logical thought.


funny that you should talk about personal jabs as being a bad thing, given that most of your posts are calling mine "ridiculous". whether or not what I say is the god given truth, I have the right and ability to voice my opinion and suggest change; I also back up my claims with evidence and reason, to which you simply again call "ridiculous".


you haven't. you really, really haven't.


again with the false claims, as you now seem to be famous for.

all I see is that you disagree with me on the basis that "it is ridiculous and you are opinionated and wrong", yet you have yet to logically oppose my viewpoint with counter arguments and/or evidence.


now, I have to repeat myself because you seemed to read over my post and only lash out when it suits you. when a design choice does not appeal to someone, especially in something that is being made for the public, they have every right to say what is unappealing to them and why. it is called opinions and criticism; I have a right to opinions, and I can keep my opinion until proven wrong.

however, you never actually say why my opinion is wrong. you only say "stop defending your opinion" without ever saying why or how my opinion is wrong. you then continue to insult me, making false claims and essentially trying to discredit everything I say by saying I'm wrong and ridiculous.

if you are going to continue acting out against my valid arguments, then at least try to say why I am wrong. so far you have succeeded in doing nothing but pointless jabbing that has thus far contributed to nothing in any way, shape or form other than to make you look even more hypocritical.

edit: and now you backpedal, actually agreeing with the original points I was making. keep digging yourself deeper.

Edited by master noob on Jul 9, 2013 at 07:52 PM

CMT has already given their verdict, so there's really no reason to continue the debate.

Master Noob, we don't agree with you. You're opinions have been noted. Now just stop fighting about an issue that's already been decided.

just stop. the verdict is final, and you still show no understanding of what I was originally saying. I do read these walls of text you so preciously put effort into, and they do you no benefit. stop with your "personal jab" business, it only makes you look hypocritical. you use the "stop defending your disagreements with a design" and then you turn around to say "I never said you don't have the right to post criticism". you contradict yourself over and over again, so stop wasting your time typing random things and actually compose your arguments in the future. further arguments on this matter are no longer necessary, but you are free to reply with whatever anger or resentment you feel should be irrelevantly vented in this thread.

man this has been covering a lot of this and the previous page, can I view awesomeness again? is there some standard layouts of bsp that still remain, but have the areas added? that way the level seems longer and some awesome parts remain? haven't heard anything about the later levels btw, any major changes to library? lol halo 2 experience? quarantine zone version ce? or version cmt?
Edited by rcghalohell on Jul 9, 2013 at 08:40 PM

The entire level is redone, there are no original BSPs in this.

As for library, we are only focusing on the first half of Campaign for now.

gotcha, and is the new grenade, the emp grenade, a work in progress for design still? or is it final as a red sticky?

All the grenades will be getting new models eventually. We just colored the regular one red as a placeholder.

cant wait for the finals, make the grenades roll! lol

can you reduce the fuse time on the grenades?
Edited by rcghalohell on Jul 9, 2013 at 08:58 PM

Sorry, but that's not going to cut it, if I disagree with your assessment of a design, I will say so, just like I will with anyone else. Did you see delicon getting mad because I disagreed with him? No, because he respects the fact that I disagree. I feel like I see modacity hate boiling over here, but I may be wrong. Either way, I am not being hypocritical and not telling you that you shouldn't criticize. You might do yourself good to not present every argument and criticism as if its the absolute truth, and you might not want to ignore valid counter arguments because it makes you look like a pompous ass.
Edited by Bobblehob on Jul 9, 2013 at 09:02 PM

Would it be possible to do similarly to Halo ball? Or like the soccer ball in Foundry?

they can take all the time to make it perfect, I need to get a new gaming laptop, and im gonna future proof it so I can rock anything.... yea... probably will have enough money by the end of the college semester, or a little after christmas

Yeah, I forgot about the vehicle tagging... It would atleast be a nice little addition to have grenades on the ground explode when shot, if nothing else.

hop into my grenade! it flies!

Well, perhaps we could make up our own canon then? Let's say this.



This way, the plasma rifle can be blue and unscratched, and towards the end, it can become scratched due to low charge.
Edited by Storm on Jul 10, 2013 at 04:45 AM

So, we're gonna see something today? (Since It's Wednesday)

Hey everyone. So I guess it's my turn to talk about what I've been up to with CMT lately. And since I'm running late this Wednesday, let's give this a shot.

So as many of you probably know, I've been working closely with CMT to create custom content that makes use of Open Sauce's features. Including, but not limited to, normal maps, proper specular maps, and other post processing effects. This can be a difficult task sometimes with how small CMT has become lately. And although it can be a struggle, it's also a lot of fun to work on this content. So I figured maybe I would give you guys a "behind the scenes" look at what goes in to our idea process and workflow.

So first off, let's talk about the Assault Rifle.

Part I: The Assault Rifle

So the Assault Rifle was a challenge. And has been something that we all knew had to be done at some point, but was obviously the most iconic weapon in Halo. This can be a real pain when you're trying to come up with a somewhat original design. You run in to a lot of people who are resistant to change. And although I can understand that (myself obviously being such a large fan of Halo), there's a point where we just have to try an idea. The Assault Rifle was originally discussed not too long after I had originally started creating things for CMT. February 3rd of 2012 to be exact. I wasn't very far in to the model when Dano stopped me. He brought up that he had just re-textured the original CMT Assault Rifle model. And although he admitted that the model was a mess, it was good enough for the time being. So all work stopped on the Assault Rifle at that point, and I moved on to our Pistol. Any mention of the Assault Rifle stopped until about a year later in January of 2013. I had some free time, and had started to gather some concept work, and tossing around ideas with other team members. Pulling heavy inspiration from Halo 4, and some models from around the net, I set off to create the Assault Rifle, doing my absolute best not to copy something completely, and come up with an original idea. Originally in 2012 there was a lot of discussion of having a modular readout display, much like the one in Halo Reach. However, in 2013, I started to notice a lot of problems developing in the first person view with a display that sat so high. Not wanting to abandon the idea, I came up with what you see now. Which is more like a display that could plug in to the body of the Assault Rifle. These displays could easily be replaced, or swapped out with something that could fit it's spot. I'll let your imagination come up with something. You can see how it developed in this picture:


When it finally came around to texturing the Assault Rifle, it was a challenge for me. Previously the things I had textured were turning out very rough. Although they looked "good enough", they really lacked any sort of personality. I found after studying Dano's textures closely, he hid a lot of things with damage and noise. And although this works well, it's really noticeable once we started using 2048 textures. Noise just looks like noise, instead of tricking your eye in to actually looking like details at 1024. It took a lot of gathering references on the Assault Rifle and looking at what stayed constant through the games, what had stayed constant in CMT's designs, and what also could be added. One such example would be the camo pattern on the front of the gun. It was something that Dano had done to the original CMT Assault Rifle. And it was one of those details that I wanted our Assault Rifle to really keep, and make it a defining part of the weapon. I originally had tried for a digital camo effect. However, this was almost immediately met with a negative response among the team. It didn't quite translate as camo on the weapon, but instead looked like poor compression in the texture. This is just an example of the many changes we go through while developing content. After about four attempts with the entire texture, I finally arrived at something that I was happy with, and something that the team was pleased with. Now the following picture might look similar to what you had originally seen when I posted in my thread on Halomods, but there are quite a few subtle changes, to both help with people who might not be able to use normal maps, and for those who can make full use of all of OS's features.



So now the AR is in game, and being put to good use with our testers. And although I would love to say that I'm done with the AR, it seems to be an always visually changing weapon in CMT's tagset. And I can't wait for the day when we can finally call it done, but that's just the way it is when it comes to developing a mod of a game that has such a large fanbase. You can't please everyone, you can only make it to where you're personally happy, and hope that someone out there will agree with you.

Part II: The Designated Marksman Rifle

And then there was the DMR. A weapon not so familiar with some players of the original Halo. As it's not a weapon we see a lot in Halo mods. There wasn't ever much of a point. You can read a lot of what I originally had said about the DMR here: http://www.halomods.com/ips/index.php?/topic/597-bobthegreatiis-crazy-contraptions/page__view__findpost__p__6928


I don't so much want to talk about all of the history of the DMR like I did with the AR, since I had already mentioned it on Halomods. Feel free to give it a read there. However, I would like to talk about the texturing of the DMR. The DMR was really the first weapon I had textured myself. Dano had since left CMT to do other things with his life. It left us in a tight spot, or more importantly, left me in a tight spot. Originally we would just send models to Dano and he would work his magic. When he was unavailable, it was really up to me to figure out how he had done things, and what made his textures interesting. This is exactly what I mentioned in the first part with the AR. However, I had no idea what I was doing. Looking back, the texture for the DMR was laughably bad. And I'll fully admit that. Smoothing groups for the normal were horrible, textures were bland and boring, and the specular map was unheard of. I set off, not long after doing the Assault Rifle, to recreate the textures for the DMR. Unfortunately I was also quite inexperienced at creating decent UV maps when I first had touched the DMR. So I took our DMR, and started the process over again. I re-uv'd the model, fixed up things that I had noticed were bad after play testing with it for so long, and began re-texturing it. Again, it was a lot of trying to give the weapon more personality, and make it look like it actually belonged where we put it. And I think I hit the sweet spot with it, and most of the team agreed. The difference between the original and the new one was quoted as "like night and day". And I would have to agree. It was actually funny to me, and exciting to see how different it came out after a little bit more practice under my belt.



And so there it was. The DMR. I think it was a really good learning process for myself. Which is all I can really hope for. The more practice, the better these things will turn out. And I'm always welcome to going back and improving on something that I had originally done.

Part III: The Plasma Rifle

And then there was the Plasma Rifle. The final weapon that I would like to talk about today. The Plasma Rifle had the same fate as both the DMR and AR. It was a difficult model to come up with an original design for. It went through several different design processes. Eventually arriving a more of a classic take on the weapon.


Originally the Plasma Rifle was designed to have a "ribbed' top, and an almost organic tail section towards the back. Unfortunately I learned quickly that both the "ribbed" section and the smooth tail did not translate well to the first person view. It was unfortunate because I was rather happy with how it had turned out, but I could already tell it was something that would have to be changed. Dano left mid Plasma Rifle. He was around long enough to texture this, and the Rocket Launcher. Unfortunately when he had textured the Plasma Rifle, he had left a nasty seam in the tail section of the gun. It was quite obvious in first person, and was quite annoying to look at. I eventually took it upon myself to recreate the tail section of the Plasma Rifle and make it more interesting. Sadly, this meant that I had to redo the UV maps, and in turn it mean that I was going to have to redo the texture. You guys already got a sneak preview of what I had come up with vs Dano's design in the picture above. As you can tell from all the debate on Halomaps, it didn't quite turn out as well as we all would have liked. It was once again in a state of "Well that's good enough for now." But I don't really deal with hanging projects very well. So this past week I've been reworking the Plasma Rifle's textures. And I think it's coming along pretty well. I know there was a lot of debate on the material of the Covenant metal, and the coating they put on their weapons. And while we don't like to say that we throw canon out the door, it's also very important to us to come up with a unique look in the Halo universe. Something that doesn't look exactly like the original. And I think we're making decent headway.



So why would I put these three weapons together? Simple. They all follow the same design process. They all have been a steady work in progress since they were originally created. We're dedicated to creating something that the fans will like and we want to stay as true to our favorite games as possible. This can be a challenge sometimes, but it's well worth it in the end to see people using our content for their own mods. We work on this for free because we're fans like everyone else. We do this because we want to. And I enjoy it a lot. Although our work doesn't always have the best response, and the feedback can be intense at times, we will always strive to make as many people happy as we can.

Thanks for reading this over, and I hope it was somewhat interesting. Check out some texture sheets over on Halomods of these three weapons. I will to continue updated my thread on Halomods whenever I can. Thanks again.
http://www.halomods.com/cmt

looks purdy

I just thought about it; with a big bulky helmet on, how are you able to look into a scope to the point that its isolated from the rest of your field of view? No amount of deus ex machina can satisfy me with an explanation.
And technically, this is on topic

The scopes have tiny computers and transmitters wired into it, giving Spartans a live view of the scope without actually looking into it? Idk...

the scope has a camera attachment that links to the helmet, darkening the surrounding area for extra focus on a single target for visor usage. therefore, zooming in removes the gun from view since the FoV increases beyond the gun's visible range while providing an accurate display.

lrn2readLore
Edited by master noob on Jul 10, 2013 at 09:37 PM

DMR looks cool. I like that you stayed closer to H4's version because the reach version didn't look all that good.

I agree with the scratches on the PR. They look unappealing. While, they add "character" to the weapon, it doesn't suit it.

About the scope. http://www.halopedia.org/Smart-linking

My only beef would be with the lights on the PR, mostly in that they feel like they are too dark of a shade of blue, especially in the video from yesterday. Would love to see them glow more the color of the original PR from CE. Nit picking aside, excellent work here. I like the take on the DMR especially, with a combination of both H4 and Reach with a little custom thrown in.

Keep it up Bob :)
Edited by Bobblehob on Jul 11, 2013 at 12:32 AM

I must admit, I like the H4 design too but I like the Reach scope and stock design better.

Forgive me for not noticing, but what was the issue with the plasma rifle? What is clipping? Can anyone show me a screenshot of what's wrong?

All of thoses weapons are fantastic (espacialy the plasma rifle, I realy appreciate it). I have a little question. How you cmt guys think about create a covenant shotgun ? It would be very interesting for the gameplay :)

mauler would be nice to see.
Edited by Guilty_spark on Jul 11, 2013 at 08:14 AM

I know there's never been one considered for the evolved tag set, but on the SPV3 side of things I've always wanted to avoid a covenant shotgun. I don't believe in 1 hit kill weapons, and a weapon like the shotgun forces you to stay at range and eliminates half the strategies you can use. Plus I don't like weapons that are just reskins + effects. Brutes are planned to rarely use the human shotgun in later flood levels though however, mainly for 3 way fights.

you should add a point where its a 5 wave firefight of a 4 sided fight, mix things up

Contrary to popular opinion, I'm glad you guys kept the AR's little ass-tattoo, even though it is a lot more faded than it was. It was the most noticeable addition to the old spv3 assault rifle.

Didn't bungie do that for the brutes in halo 2?

Aye, Halo 2 Brutes used human shotguns in the later levels of Halo 2, particularly on "The Great Journey" (if I remember correctly).