It's a song. Rainbow colors by Three 6 Mafia

here's a question (well not really), I've seen loadouts done before, an I had an idea pertaining to them. Is it possible we could have loadouts to choose from a the start of certain campaign maps? like maybe on a map like b30 the player could choose between an assault rifle and brg, an assault rifle and a spartan laser, an smg and a shotgun, or a sniper and pistol. That way the player can start off missions that are big assault missions with the weapons they want to use. I'm not suggesting it for every level, though, because it wouldn't make sense on levels like a30 and a10. But it could work for levels like b30, b40, c10, and maybe a50, where you're inserted via pelican so it'd make sense that you'd have access to weapon choices before the start of the mission. I think it's a better system than having to scavenge for a gun you wanted but until you find it you'd be forced to use the other weapons.
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 24, 2011 at 05:37 PM

Maybe what they meant about the shotgun was that it changes with the amount of ammo you have left :/.


Loadouts would be nice, in my opinion, it would add a little something. Make it more fun to play with the weapons you perform best with.

I like the idea of a few basic loadouts tailored to each particular campaign level.

Like "Silent Cartographer," for example, could have the default loadout, maybe some sort of Battle Rifle class, and a Support Gunner class where you only have the H2 machine gun turret and four frags. Whereas "Truth and Reconcilliation" could have something like silenced SMG + silenced pistol, a Battle Rifle class, and the default loadout. Ya know, a few classes suited to the level that would offer the player a few different methods of playing the level.
Edited by Echo77 on Dec 26, 2011 at 03:43 PM

What are you guys smoking? Loadouts are a terrible idea for Halo. This is not Modern Warfare 3.

Lol like i said, just my opinion :P

i dont think load outs are good for campaign... if so bungie would have add them in mission like new alexandria or winter contingency

Loadouts per sé are far from a "terrible" idea. They could work as long as you don't make any extreme starter kits with power weapons.

Not that I think it's really a necesary addition for SP in general. But it's NOT a "terrible" idea once again.

funny, im pretty sure mw3 didn't have campaign loadouts. what are YOU smoking?

Lol he's smoking Chocolate Nuggets.

Reach was a mess, so there isn't a reason to put much stock in "how Bungie did it".

well in missions like winter contingency load outs would have as much use as in levels like assault on the room control but no its a terrible idea because... example the truth and recon level is of major sniping on ground and someone could yet choose the shotgun as primary gun which isnt as usefull as sniper in the map

That's why they customize the loadouts to suit each level.

I don't think loadouts are a good idea for a campaign, they go fine with MP and firefights. I just don't think it would mix to well with campaign.

Loadouts were the worst thing to happen to Halo. Ever.

Besides Halo 2 Vista?

MLG.

The Halo Anniversary related Reach Multiplayer title update.

Edit: And the M6C
Edited by Spartan 279 on Dec 26, 2011 at 11:11 PM

You take that back! *strangles*

M6C-S was good though
the M6C was ugly and bad D:
Worse than the M6G-B, M6G-C, M6D, and the M6C-S


AND ALL THE OTHER ONES LIKE THE M6A, M6B, M6K, M6J, M6F, and every other handgun in the M6 series.;

Edit: How do you strangle someone wearing MJOLNIR MKVI Armor.

Edited by Spartan 279 on Dec 26, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Well you start by firmly grasping at the neck, and oxygen deprivation sorta takes over from there.

But
the armor
isnt it like impossible for someone to actually do that with the armor on it because the armor wont bend that easily? or ?
and i could strangle you too at the same time.

how about you read my post and use your brain before spitting out a single sentence. I'm pretty sure you read loadouts and dismissed immediately or you're too prejudiced to put any thought into what it can do in potential campaign levels. I personally think they're horrible for MP, but we're NOT talking about goddam multiplayer, we're talking about SINGLE PLAYER, at the START of CERTAIN missions, because maybe people who are uncoordinated with a sniper, such as myself, don't want to start off with a stupid sniper rifle on some missions, and would much rather start off with a shotgun so I don't have to go to hell and back to find one. Or maybe on silent cartographer I want to start off with an smg and shotgun rather than a battle rifle and assault rifle. This way people have a few seconds to choose how they want to start the level, which also adds replay value because, as in levels like b40, you could go awhile without finding weapons to switch out, meaning you have around 4 different options on how to play that first part of the level. After you choose your starting loadout, that's it, you play through the level normally. now tell me how that is ruining halo. How can adding a little choice to the beginning of the mission a bad thing?
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 27, 2011 at 02:27 AM

NEED PICS

Personally I was supporting the idea of a loadout for campaign missions, until I read what vampire girl had to say. I think it's true in this case, because what if you're supposed to start off with an AR and you're meant to find BRs later in the game, but you choose a BR to start wih instead. It would make the placed BRs somewhat more useless, and I doubt the team would re-configure the entire weapons placement just to balance against your chosen loadout, making two (or more) instances of one map for multiple loadouts. Lot of unnecessary work there.

I'd say bloom, armor lock, halo reach elites, etc were even worse :p

What about stories with no plot? Or just pretty much everything in Reach.
Edited by Masters1337 on Dec 27, 2011 at 06:42 AM

Reach had a plot, it was just terrible and unoriginal.

I still wonder what happened to that Rifleman Spartan who guided Halsey, I think Jun was his name?

I disagree. They're a great idea, Bungie just didn't implement them very well. Having loadouts before you spawn somewhere random, nowhere near a UNSC base is stupid.

However, at the start of Silent Cartographer, you come from a UNSC base in a pelican, so loadouts should work well there. Additionally, in UNSC camps(Which you should add because the lack of them makes no sense to me), they could have weapons drop down in drop pods, allowing loadouts, though they wouldn't be menu loadouts, instead they'd be sets of weapons arranged in 'barracks tents'.

I think it's explained in the reprint of "Fall of Reach".

if ai and encounters both are done well, they will react tastefully and differently to different situations. I've worked with both unique sp and campaign modding enough to know that it's horrible gameplay to have encounters set up for one type of weapon set and one scenario. Also, you're not putting enough stock into what halo 1's ai system is capable of. If you work the ai just right, they will react perfectly to any combat situation you can throw at them, I know mine do, and it just took a little tinkering. If CMT hasn't even bothered working on the ai and encounters enough to allow combat leniency, then I'd postpone the entire mod for awhile before you perfect that, because that right there can and probably will cause cmt's campaign to crash and burn. I always work my encounters without a single combat engagement mindset. I put thought into at least five different ways to approach combat. I make sure each encounter has been tailored enough and that each ai is smart and challenging enough that combat will be explosive, dangerous and risky, intense, and above all: open to different approaches on the scenario. Being close-minded to all different situations in combat is a horrible way to design encounters, and if that's how cmt's designing their new bsp encounters, then they should redo every encounter completely, regardless of whether they add loadouts or not.

In conclusion, if a campaign mod's ai and ai encounters are too fragile to support loadouts with successful gameplay, then you'd better fix both your ai and encounters or your gameplay will break with or without loadouts. Because I know I approach combat scenarios differently than they were meant to be, and everyone else probably will too. and THAT'S when you're gameplay will fall apart

Halo is based around different themed encounters, and while there is always multiple ways to approach encounters in the game, they normally stick to a set theme, which carry out throughout some encounters and parts of the level, and then switches to a different theme. Trying to combine a stealthy encounter with an assaulting encounter with a bunch of different vehicles running around will usually result in something not so great. And considering the fact that CMT is modding the campaign itself, it would be stupid to go back and have to redo every encounter due to their new weapons, when they could instead balance the weapons for the encounters, OR just create their own single player series of missions.

Two different opinions? You all know how this ends
3
2
1 fight! (until thread is locked)

But seriously, I think CMT will make the right choice.

load outs in campaign are not really useful it would be better if you put more weapons hidden in the map in multiplayer they are nice(its usefull to start up with a Br or pistol if the map weapons are weapons that are like sniper or m6c)