You're failing, epically.

It has a trigger now, kk? Lol. Damn, big argument over a trigger. Lol. Final renders later.

yes, its understandable what ur saying buta trigger is about what 10 faces, the boost is so negligable even if compunded, taht it makes absolutly no diference, and it add a professional feel toa weapon model if u have as much on it as posible(not random crap but stuff that should eb there the details)

Final Renders:





First Person:

(Not the best origins)

Wireframe:


And 2d render thingy Lol:

optimization comes after you finalize everything else. you make your animations, then you figure out what faces will be seen in the animation and which ones wont be seen. then you delete. do you understand this? add all the detail first, finalize animations, then remove unseen faces. hunter's gun is just in the modeling stage so far. he doesnt know what the animations will show yet, so he shouldn't be omitting details yet

and just to make sure you guys get it, 3RD PERSON MODELS ARE SEEN FROM VIRTUALLY EVERY ANGLE.
Edited by Donut on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM

First, I've seen some posts saying that a trigger is ten faces, A trigger is mainly 4 or 5 faces.

secondly, Donut is correct, you need to add all details before you remove them. It dosn't matter what it is. If you omit details before getting a final product chances are it will be noticeable. CoD4 did a good job of not showing the side of the undetailed guns hence why you would never notice, but if they had animated it differently it could have stuck out like a sore thumb. basically it all comes down to being lazy with your models, don't be lazy with them or it will be noticed.

the trigger on my m249 saw was around 25 triangles if im remembering correctly

and stop being so damn stingy with your triangles. taking measures to educe triangles where you can is one thing, purposely making a cylinder thats right up in your face 8 sided is a whole other thing
E: that^ wasnt directed at any one person either. i used to model the same way until i realized my computer could handle more than 2000 triangles. im just putting that out there
Edited by Donut on Aug 31, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Listen to this man he knows his stuff. If you chop out faces you think wont show, you limit the potential motions your animations can have.

Oh I see now... I was wrong. Model it all, then remove useless items...

Yea it's true, this is what CoD 4 did, now all guns you rip from it makes it virtually impossible to add a custom animation to it other than copying what CoD 4 itself did o.O

Failure GIF conversion.

do i see a blur effect as the laser fires? i like that

I believe its just the GIF.

Yeah use PNG or something.

does png support animation?

You cant put a normal map on something thats not there :\

disregard
Edited by chuckluck on Sep 1, 2009 at 05:56 PM

No, I was mislead. :\

Any optimization done before animating can limit the motions being done.




By that logic, the whole model isn't needed whatsoever. The bullets arent coming from the mesh, their coming from a marker

im not sure if you read a single word anybody said after you posted before, but if you go back and look, youll understand that any argument you throw at me is moot.

if you have a face thats inside your main mesh, and cannot be seen from ANY ANGLE at, you can delete that. deleting a trigger is ridiculous though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wut0dtMsMOU 0:25 - 0:29 you can see the trigger in the shotgun reloading animation

this is the thompson from bioshock. i couldnt find a higher res pic, but you can even see him pull the trigger during the firing animation, and you see both sides of the trigger clearly in the reloading animation.

E: and again crunch, if i were to model your face, what would you say if i left your nose off? what would you say if i deleted some faces under your chin because they arnt seen from many angles?
Edited by Donut on Sep 1, 2009 at 09:06 PM

You can see the trigger being pulled in the thompson (I think) from CoD 5.

http://www.xfire.com/video/12a7fd/

Still a WIP. Please ignore the large gaping hole at the top of the gun, as well as smaller, harder to see holes.

The model was probably based modeled upon the WaW mis named carbine, So yes it is good. The sound is just a tad grainy, and the large gaping hole cannot be unoticed.

Which is why I correctly labeled it the M1 carbine, not the M1A1.

As for the sounds, they're recorded from the game, and filtered out in Audacity. I couldn't figure out how to rip SFX sounds from CoD WaW, so I went for the next best thing.

It cant be a waste of polygons if its not seen. Its not rendered, so it doesnt matter.

false. unless you specifically tell the engine not to render unseen geometry, it still has to render it.
your saying if the camera isnt pointed at it then it doesnt have to render, right? thats different if your camera is looking at the "unseen" geometry

.... i linked to a video for the specific purpose of showing that the shotgun anims in halo 3 show the trigger. REAL game companies screw up models too, just so you know. 3ds max can render at least 70k triangles before is starts to skip a little bit. there is no way in hell youre going to put a 70k triangle object ingame, but the point is that you can animate that high poly mesh in max. then you would delete unseen faces, and then unwrap / bake textures.
Edited by Donut on Sep 2, 2009 at 03:27 PM

Is done:





3632 Triangles
1765 Polygons

your wire on the flashlight is far too thin

dude.... im sorry, but are you serious right now? reading is a virtue. use it. 3ds max can display many more triangles than a game can. go back and read what i said before. you animate the high poly mesh, bake hires mesh onto lower res mesh, use the animations to decide which faces can be deleted, delete unseen faces in lower res mesh.

im saying you dont have to reduce the amount of triangles on anything except the final model going ingame. said final model isnt the only model. hunter's gun isnt the final model.

Are you serious? The point is that 3ds max can render things that games cannot. The point is, you animate in max and then cut out the unnecessesary faces. Donut and I have done this process together countless times. As the animator, I can tell you that animating pre-optimized models is not good. You are limited to showing only the detailed side of the gun, while otherwise you might show much more. let me give you an example here.


see the massive gaping hole inside the slide? The modeler didn't think it would ever be seen. He was incorrect.

and that animation basically shows all parts of the gun.

You can make Animted PNGs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG

This is what I think of APNG:

JPG < PNG
GIF < APNG

Keep in mind, this is also a high-poly model, with over 100,000 polies I believe, something like that.

Modelers need to watch their art, and make sure to communicate with both the skinner and animator. The skinner, in order to get an idea of how they'll skin it and what details he can leave out and what he should add in. The animator, in order to get an idea of how they're going to animate it so that he can add the details needed and that will be shown, optimizing those that are not.

uh..... i cant help but wonder what you guys are trying to prove here. first you want to leave the trigger out to reduce triangle count, and now youre saying normal maps arnt needed
E: and APNG is interesting. it supports higher quality animated images than gif. thats nice for animations, however i would assume it would increase file size by a lot. it also seems firefox is the only browser with APNG support at the moment.

Firefox supremacy.
Edited by Donut on Sep 2, 2009 at 08:01 PM