For once, I agree with you.
Wheras Keyes still has the essence that was in the original game, Johnson looks like he's undergone drastic cosmetic surgery.

you suck

I don't think you quite grasp what SPv3 is all about, all your critics focus on small points of the mod and make it looks like a number 1 issue, that's just stupid...

What's SPV3 about then?

Because it's a mod, and really good mods fit in with the original game- as I said- the technical work is brilliant but artistically it has no consistency and it would be much better if it did.

A sort of expanded edition of Halo CE that still looks like Halo CE.
Probably the best thing you could ever do with Halo Custom Edition realistically.

& I really don't understand some changes such as Johnson's face for instance, we'd be better with the original oh and Cpt-Keyes shoes look like they're made of adamantium for some reason.

im still waiting for the tagset release.

Actually im with Lucy on this one. It doesnt look like any of the other humans got facelifts, just different textures to make the features more prominent. Johnson on the other hand looks like he got his head shrunk and put under a press. Was replaying spv3 just last night and it irked me to see him during the opening cutscene

Shoot me a PM, hopefully getting that out later this week.

Not happy? Make your own mod, really, SPv3's aim at reworking the artistic direction is a good thing, it helps envision Halo in another way, a way that would not be Bungie's or 343's one, it's a way for the community to appropriate Halo's universe and I think it's a good idea, the execution of this idea is overall very good, we all have our critics on it, even I think some stuffs could have been done better but I don't make it a big issue because it's not a realistic expectation to have something that'll please everybody...

Now you should watch Johnson's face in the original game, the quality is no better imo, but at least SPv3 makes it look different, slightly better in some ways, slightly worse in others, but at least, it's refreshing and helps having this new vision of the Halo universe...
Edited by Idaho on Sep 27, 2016 at 01:57 PM

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?

For players who chose not to jack it, it is easier to destroy and for players who take it to the next area it is harder to use.

Ah yes, the old, stupid, "don't like it? do better" argument. Holding the mod up to criticism is good for its development as well as for the people behind it. While there obviously can be some bad and/or falsely placed criticism, it seems that there's a pretty general consensus that some of the more custom faces in SPv3 look pretty bad. Johnson and Cortana are the notable offenders, whereas the Marine and Crewmen faces look a lot better with the new texture/look.

Realism is one thing, but just making things look nice is another, wherein Luci's argument falls under the latter of the two. Pleasing everyone is also impossible as some people are naturally going to oppose simply on the basis of haters gonna hate. Sidelining that, the "look what X did and see that they didn't do better" is also a terrible argument. Most people on halomaps will call you out on that argument simply because its been used in completely absurd and stupid ways, as well as a blatant excuse to be lazy.

I finished (re)playing through SPv3 as of about 5 minutes ago and I still hold to the sentiment that the two aforementioned characters don't fit in with the aesthetic or level of quality that the rest of the mod seems to be going for / has achieved. Whether or not the team will do something about it is one thing, but at the very least a statement from somebody who worked on the characters / has a say would be appreciated.

Hey DSali.


"We want the Call of Duty audience."

What is wrong with Cortana's face though?

>respecting disrespect

All I'm saying is that her critics are useless, her whole point is "if you can't make one skin right you should just have given up on the whole artistic overall of the game", that's not how it works, now I have admitted that Johnson's face is not to my liking in some ways but objectively, in term of quality it's on par with the original skin, it just looks different, I'm deniuncating her perfectionnist views that aims for unrealistic goals and avoids focusing on the bigger scheme...

I've beta tested the game and I gave my critics to masters1337 especially on the cortana model, I think what we have now with the cortana model is the utmost best we can do without wasting time that could be used on more important things, you guys have to realize that time is a really valuable asset in the making of SPv3 and with any mod in general, the team does its best to avoid doing compromises but in the end we have to make some because we don't have all time in the world and that SPv3 has to release at some point...
Edited by Idaho on Sep 29, 2016 at 03:06 AM

Except the critique was pretty spot on. That "if you can't make one skin right you should just have given up on the whole artistic overall of the game" remark was never made, you simply interpreted it as such. The actual remark was a suggestion of open thought more than anything. And again, to the "objectively its on par with the original skin" is something we say to call people lazy. Avoiding the small things can make the larger scope of things seem ugly, since the whole is made of the sum of its parts.

I'd probably start complaining a bit more, but if I was gonna do that, I'd probably directly tell masterz what I did(n't) like, since I have a general idea of what he's responsible for.

TLDR; Bring back TSC:E Team.

Would that even be a possibility at this point?

Nah leave them be. If they wanna help they already know what to do, but I think they're burned the hell out now.

I also have my things I'd like to see in SPv3 and that I think would make the game better, thing is, I voiced them, I know masters is aware of them but he and the rest of the team make the choices, I'm just a beta tester and terminal writer, acting all entitled on a forum won't change a thing or could even make bad things happen (bad things like what 343 did by listening too much of the wrong things the community voiced up), that's why I'm pointing out her criticism that I don't believe is constructive...
Edited by Idaho on Sep 29, 2016 at 03:58 AM

#BringBackTheEvolvedSpartan

#Things

Fo real tho, SPv3 spartan is uggo

https://twitter.com/masters1337/status/653815386350223360
Edited by Masters1337 on Sep 30, 2016 at 12:08 AM
Edited by Masters1337 on Sep 30, 2016 at 12:08 AM

I'm not even sure what this picture is supposed to show me.
At least the TSC:E cyborg isnt the busiest thing in the world. And doesnt look like an armor made of emeralds.

So from what I gathered from the above is that SPV3 is a disappointment and an abomination to the Halo franchise just because SGT Johnson's face is not up to par with expectations and the community is in tatters as a result.

That's just great :/
Edited by Super Alex on Sep 30, 2016 at 01:18 PM

But muh Voldemort face, muh SPv3 team should not have even tried to revamp the graphical style even though it's an overall success, they're amateurs afterall, how dare amateurs provide top notch content with some touch of amateurism in it?!!! How dare do they do what they want with their mod because they also do this for their own enjoyment?!! Heresy! that's unacceptable !! They should be mod making minions that grant every wishes of the community !!!
Edited by Idaho on Sep 30, 2016 at 05:21 AM

Enough! In the next patch Johnson will have Jameson Locke's face! Are you happy now?

Yay!

What if agent locke was sgt jhonsons son???



And agent lockes mom was miranda keyes???



And the master chiefs real name is: Juan esteban javiere diego???

Could explain a lot about all those mexicans hanging around custom edition...

[*In Donald Trump's voice*] We shall build a tag wall and make Mexico compile for it.

Ok now that last part was creepy. You got half right.

I'd be partial to more of a Fresh Prince of Bel Air look tbh