Tark you deserve an oscar and If in your lifetime you are not awarded one I will friggin model one for you.

and in the back leo sheds a single tear

Whilst skidrow hands him his very own platinum plated M6D swegway.

North Vietnam was backed mostly by China not the USSR, and we didn't enter into it until 1965 three years after President Kennedy's now famous "We choose to go to the moon" speech. We were not at war when we undertook that endeavor. My point was that no civilization has done big things like that while "busy scalping and blowing each others heads off" which in my opinion is why it has taken so long to get back into space.


Edited by Dennis on Jan 24, 2016 at 06:00 PM

Space exploration was a product of blowing heads off however.

Russia landed on the moon 2 weeks earlier than the Apolo 11. This doesnt make sense, my post is senselesss, my existance and presence here is senseless

Blowing heads off gave us the basic tools to explore space. Not the will or idea to do so.

Well, it basically started with Germany trying to blow the heads (and other parts) off the British folk without having to actually be near them to do the blowing. So, that's where the idea falls in. The cold war, while not technically blowing heads off, was basically seeing who could blow more heads off before the other could blow an equal or greater number of heads off, and in the subsequent who can blow more heads off contest, we decided that the moon looked pretty cool.

You are missing the point. There is that saying turning "swords to plowshares" which means taking weapons made for destruction and turning them into tools of creation. The rocket program was just that. But the idea to go to space, to do something incredibly big did not come out of war it came out of the period of peace. The idea that you have to have war to be creative is false, you have to have peace to create big things. War’s purpose is destruction. It should never be desired.

While I get what you mean, I have trouble getting how a complete lack of competition promotes progress. Obviously having nothing other than competition doesn't help, but I personally don't see how a utopia (for lack of a better word) can progress on the level that competition provides. (says a capitalist, so maybe that's why)

Oh and I wasn't trying to advocate war, but it does seem to catalyze ideas in a very expedient manner, and said ideas get refined when the fighting stops and all that. Hence my view on the moon being the result of a war.

On a different note, I think supes flanks had an interesting idea up there, some sort of map making competition.

Hey a halomaps map making competition sponsered by ce3???

This seems interesting so I'll jump in.


There is a difference between war and competition. War may be competition, but competition is not always war.

Perhaps under the threat of war the space race was accelerated, but not because of it.

Only halomaps takes you from a map protector to a discussion on war.

Ladies and gentlemen this is the 21st century.

We play war video games here for entertainment, Halo being a great example.

War is not the pinnacle of anything it is the devolution of society. It is as close to a binary function as you can get in life. You can have a little competition to create something but you can't have a little war without destruction. War and competition are not analogous.

I only made the program as a joke. I actually didn't expect the topic would end up quite like this lol

Sparkys the gift that keeps on giving, huh?


Dude. Sparky exists. Always expect something like this. Actually, regardless of sparky, this is basically what this forum does.

Dude... Just... Wow...

Oh, and the reason nobody ever "wins" an argument against you, and the reason you are typically looked down upon is because you argue in circles and everyone just gives up because you are not worth the effort. At least, one of the reasons. There's more.

You are floundering around the edges of the subject never seeing the actual point. In this case the theory that war is an engine of creation. You have likened it to competition so in order for your analogy to be correct competition must therefore be an engine of destruction. However it is not.

Bringing Christ or Ghandi into to the discussion just shows how far afield you have gone of the actual point.

Only because of the mistaken and extremely dangerous belief that seemed to be prevalent that war should be admired or required for advancement.

But what if you value the prerogative of the venture that is heinous to the aforementioned religion?


Yes, but if a kingdom divides itself, who can fathom the repercussions of the sophistication?


Standing tall and proud amidst the germination process is not recommended.


I gave up trying to use big words here.

Conflict and competition are some of the most important forms of drive for the human race; if we all shared exact opinions, we could never advance; we would always head way to whomever first decided anything, unable to question them; the world would still be flat. Any group work people perform, even if the first idea is foolish, nobody would be allowed to challenge the idea. Without rival companies, people would have no driving force to move forward; if they have a monopoly, and people are buying their products, they will simply assume it is good enough; its when another company is attempting to surpass them, that they focus on how to surpass themselves.



Also, on this topic, and other things, people should watch both seasons of Gatchaman Crowds, as they focus on social constructs. The second season, Gatchaman Crowds Insight, covers this topic.

OFF-TOPIC SIMULATOR 2016.

I bet they're just another lie created by the Government!

And they would have gotten away with it were it not for you meddling tarks!

Now I kinda guessed it was going to be anime. What I didn't guess was that there would be what I can only assume is a thirteen year old in a bikini on the cover art.

Japan never change.

This actually depends on which social psychological teachings you follow. Some would state soci-economic factors to be the most important drive for the human race, some would say psycho-sexual drives are the most important. However, there are 6 or so needs (drives) that all humans share. Such as certainty, significans, variety, connection, growth and contribution. (You could google it). What you are talking about is however true, the continued questioning of what we know. Maybe not in the sense of conflict, since conflict is a part of the human flaw.

/My teachers love Sigmund Freud. I'm out.

Your condescending notwithstanding, the question here is not semantic. Your word salad obscures any actual point and is basically meaningless. The theory that was posited is that war is a requirement for creation. War is not. It is in fact a driver of destruction. You contend that completion is the same as war.

Competition can lead to war. It can also lead to discovery and creation, therefore it is not analogous to war which only leads to destruction. They are different and not analogues.


The actual point here, before you interjected all your nonsense, is simple: War is bad. War should not be admired and should not be desired for any reason. Especially if you want society to create big things.

I disagree with you
without war, people would become selfish like someone!
Edited by Halonimator on Jan 25, 2016 at 10:20 PM

3 Years later and the forum is debating the implications of war rather than fighting over tags, maps and ripped stuff like schoolboys? Man this place has grown.


Allow me to add to this word salad ( xD ) by clarifying:

Dennis is basically trying to dispel the notion of "war" leading to anything productive, no matter how it may seem in real life.

Sparky is saying that competition creates a natural feeling of wanting to be "superior" over their competing peers, which leads to bitterness, which leads to fighting and resentment, which hinders any kind of progress either team would've made.

on a side note, these arguments are fairly entertaining. They always have been. One of the few reasons I still log in here.

I'm done. Time to sleep for 3 more years *flies off

War.
War never changes.

Or does it?
The war has changed.
Or did it?

I will never give nuclear missile bomb to you!

So when I play soccer with my friend am I at war with him because we're competitive and trying to best eachother?

#Logic

idk