Oh man, I can't believe I missed this yesterday.

If you forgot, 343 is working on a little something called Halo 4, so they were not focusing all of their man power into CEA, which is why they put most of the production into the hands of Sabre Interactive, and Certain Affinity.

Its only common sense that for the game to play exactly the same as the original, which they specifically stated as their main goal over and over again, that they had to keep the bsp geometry and the collision geometry exactly the same, even with the added visual upgrade. So they added in many details and slight changes to models that do not coincide with the collision geometry, because otherwise it would be two seperate engines, running two seperate games. It was the only possible way that they could add in some more interesting visual flair, while working within the confines of the original game and its geometry.

Also, use a little more common sense you idiot. They cant change the collision models and keep the ability to switch back and forth between the old and new graphics, while the two are running simultaneously. Seriously man, its not that hard to understand.
Edited by Bobblehob on Nov 21, 2011 at 01:41 PM

I'm living in New Zealand right now... freakin' 600 dollars for a xbox and 70 bucks for Anniversary. D:

No life much?

lol

I see Halo as a game. When at home, modeling and Skyrim are hobbies of mine.

Or hanging out with my girlfriend.


Point is. Halo Anniversary's campaign looked cool, but not worth money. And Halo IMO isn't a lifestyle.

I would indeed bury my wife in the back yard just to have a scrim on sidewinder with you guys.

It's a lifestyle for some believe it or not. Well when I come home from T.A.F.E I turn my pc on and start messing around in Sapien for awhile lol. But that doesn't mean I dedicate all of my time to it either. It's just more like a hobby I guess. For MLG players it is literally a life style, lol.

bro I don't care if someone's gay

but if they're a gigantic faggot that's a different story

That's what I thought you'd say, since this is saber's engine I doubt any of 343i employees had any experience using it. So any people they had helping probably weren't contributing to the work load.



It's silly that you think that, pathfinding is done using spheres so the ai won't be able to tell the difference between the collision model which only leaves the user. If the user can't use the visual model as a reference for the collision model, gameplay has been changed. You are silly if you think otherwise unless you happen to be blind.



Never said they had to create a new collision algorithm. Changing a reference doesn't mean creating a whole new system for it. They could easily have used halo's tools to compiled new collision using halo's engine.

Lol name calling again, a bit disappointed you can't keep this an intellectual argument like men. I forfeit from this childish name calling game since it seems you've run out of ideas.

you guys think you have it bad look at this im missing the truth and reconciliation i have to play halo just to play that map.

Inception

a game where you have to progress to unlock features?!!

blasphemy!!

the point is ive beat a50 numerous times to try to unlock it no dice yet

Oh man, this is rich, I love this tone you are taking. The intellectual? You have been using plenty of insults and remarks very similar to that one in previous posts, don't be a hypocrite.

The point is, in the end that the game is running on the original game engine, using its geometry both visible and collision. Though the models have changed in the newer version, you assume that the collision geometry should change, yet you continue to ignore the fact that it is only the original game engine running, and that the graphical engine sabre added runs on the input from that engine, and that there would have been no practical reason to change collision geometry, then to integrate that change into the graphical layer, while still trying to work within the confines of the original engine.

As far as the effects of actually changing the collision geometry are concerned, the AI interact with the environment alot more than you think, especially when it comes to combat, and fairly often you will find AI that have strayed from the paths set for them, and are walking or running against walls. What you are advocating would need a second iteration of the original engine running underneath sabre's engine to facilitate the changes in collision geometry, and it would also stop the player from being able to switch back and forth between the two, because they would not sync perfectly with eachother as they do now.
Edited by Bobblehob on Nov 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM

you should return the game for a new one. If that one does the same...

i know but the sp saves to your xbox live profile so even if i got a new game it wouldnt work even if I use a offline profile it still does the same

lmao

To all those who say Halo is not a life...

YOU BLASPHEME! Halo IS a life. The pleasure of seeing those beautiful, nice graphics, the awesome gameplay, the BELIEVABLE characters and storyline, and the fact that it is the single most great shooter of all time, makes it good.

Of course, thats my opinion. But in this case, my opinion happens to be fact.

On topic, You bought the game, your fault. Why don't you go sell it and use the small amount of money you naturally get for selling anything to buy Modern Warfare 3.

Oh wait, whats that? That jumped up over-rated piece of horse turd is too much? Too bad. Now, you have to keep the game.

Seriously, I consider it a bargain. Beautiful Halo 1 all over again, beautiful graphics(if you choose to have them) and Reach Multiplayer DLC? If it was COD they woulda charged fifty. Stop whinging.

To all those who say Modern Warfare is not a life...

YOU BLASPHEME! Modern Warfare IS a life. The pleasure of seeing those beautiful, nice graphics, the awesome gameplay, the BELIEVABLE characters and storyline, and the fact that it is the single most great shooter of all time, makes it good.

Of course, thats my opinion. But in this case, my opinion happens to be fact.

On topic, You bought the game, your fault. Why don't you go sell it and use the small amount of money you naturally get for selling anything to buy Halo Anniversary.

Oh wait, whats that? That jumped up over-rated piece of horse turd is too much? Too bad. Now, you have to keep the game.

Seriously, I consider it a bargain. Beautiful Modern Warfare 2 gameplay all over again, beautiful graphics and Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer? If it was a new Halo they woulda charged sixty. Stop whinging.

Yay everybody wins, and then everyone lived happily ever after..

I keep forgetting how awesome of a guy you are. Why don't we talk over Xfire anymore?

I have to say, to me it would have been worth it if it had been the original Halo multiplayer with the updated graphics options on xbox live. But no. It's pretty, but its exactly the same as the original, with half arsed re-done cinematics... cheaper than a full blown game but not really worth it IMO. Worth the £5 rental from Blockbusters, though.

Hey guys! I heard that MW2 came out with this MASSIVE new map pack!

I understand your points OP, they are valid.

I personally didnt but this to be excited about a new game, I didnt want them to change it to be perfect, I wanted ti rough around the edges.

I literally bought this game for the nostalgia, playing it has brought back all the memories from the past 7 years. The mods, the maps, the teams and more importantly the people I have had fun playing with in the game.

HaloIsAHorribleGane, don't copy my material. Go make it up yourself.

*Whispers*Dennis, Blasphemer alert. Prepare all Banhammers*Whispers*

*Whispers*PS, its a joke. Only ban him if you want to.*Whispers*



There, so people can see it easier.
Edited by LegionofShadows on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:07 AM

hahaha, ohhh man. you completely failed to see the point of the post; to show you how absolutely one-sided, fanboyish and stereotypical you sound. you probably think RvB is the greatest comedy genius around, and love halo because of it's shiny, colorful "MY FIRST FPS" graphics.

you're what chief from arby n' the chief represents. a mindless fan who thinks that any competition this game has is absolutely terrible and of low quality, simply because it has a large fanbase that can hold a stick to Halo's.

for the first time ever i'd have to agree with haloisahorriblegane, its such a shame the community cant pull together and work together as one, so much time is wasted creating 50 different HUDs, bipeds, BR's and putting each other down.

i like neiag's original post, it's inspirational and a lot of amazing things do come out of this community, unfortunately the majority of this community are young and with youth comes immaturity (lack of responsibility, communication skills and foresight) and insecurity (feeling the need to get 'one-up' on fellow members). but still so much has been achieved so well done halomaps :)

hmmm, bobblehob is pretty defensive about 343i, is he a secret 343 employee, a halomaps infiltrator?

I hope halo 4 is not going to be a flop. 0.-

you're all gonna cry about the animations and minor details like always

then still buy it and give 343i their paycheck

Lol, what if everyone in the community banned together to make one huge project?

That wouldn't happen, cuz a lot of people don't like others, or their work.

Seriously, I enjoyed anniversary more than I could enjoy in any mod. It was worth the money. I played it for commemoration purposes and the fact that I love Halo. But if you guys seriously think that it was a turd-job. It wasn't. It's called anniversary for a reason, and 343i's ViDocs even state that they're using models from Reach. The game is a commemoration for 10 years of Halo. It's not the next big blockbuster, it's not the best game ever. But it is, a digitally remastered version of the original game.

The game was made to compare the graphics of Halo then and Halo now. It actually had almost nothing to do with their capabilities. They solely made the game just to celebrate. If you were expecting something way different like a completely new Halo game... You need to screw your head straight and look the right way and try to spot the obvious. If you were disappointed with Anniversary, you were disappointed with the original Halo game. That or you weren't a person who'd played the original. It's next-gen graphics. Not gameplay. They saw no need to make additional assets for it because what was provided was enough. It's just a graphical improvement and I was pleased.

I got to experience Halo all over again but in now.

Well said, 1337. The biggest banding together we ever hjave is with the mapping teams. Other than that, apart from temporary co-op projects, nope, we don't band together. Doesn't mean that indies aren't good; just that we never band together.

HaloIsAHorribleGane, I'm sure you would think that just because Halo is, oh, the first fps shooter, which it actually isn't. I think its better. No, because I've played every COD game to date(cept for MW3, which I don't care about) and except for a few cases(Black Ops and World at War, and also the earlier ones:COD 2, COD3,) it seems to be dissapointing. I liked Modern Warfare a bit, played Modern Warfare two a bit(grudgingly, I didn't hve Custom Edition and an X360 at the moment.) On the whole, I dissaprove of the Modern Warfare series. I think COD had it the best when it was in the earlier periods, like WW2, and in Black Ops... Cold war, or whatever it is. (I'm still waiting for VIETNAM COD!)The Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer was a diseased host of camping whenever I played it, and while it had nice graphics, not NICE. The storyline wasn't that good, and on and on and on. While I know it is not my right to say that Modern Warfare 3 is the worst COD to date, I still have Modern Warfare 2 to back me up.

Okay, after that explaining, what I also say is I don't just play Halo. While I think it is the best shooter franchise yet(and for good reason, actually lots) I still play other games. Why don't you actually have a look at the games I have, and how often I play them, and maybe you will understand where I'm coming from?

Since you can't, I'll run off a few. Operation Flashpoint:Cold War Crissi(classic,) Arma II, Swat 4, Brink, Battlefield 2, World at War,Fear.


If you wish to know anything else, I shall not privelage you with an answer. Now, can we get back on topic, which is Anniversary Edition? Okay, thats a good idea.




Your buy, your fault. If you really don't like it that much, sell it. If you don't sell it, then you really can't complain, can you? 343 said they would keep the gameplay, bsps and so on EXACTLY the same, so you were forewarned. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to decapitate somebody. PEACE OFF!

-LegionOfShadows
Edited by LegionofShadows on Nov 24, 2011 at 04:29 AM

Hahahahaha! oh wow.

what? Wait, did I get it wrong? EDITINZ!

Okay, so I got it mixed up. Everyone mixes up. Except Dennis.

You messed up so badly.
Go learn something about a subject before you spout words you claim truth.
Halo wasn't first, but it made console first person shooters work.