I know that's what I'm doing.

or you could just use bloom in spv3 >.>

Go to the halomods thread.
Look at some of the stuff that's been made already.

OS is allowing the use of normals and more effects being involved with models and BSP geometry. The graphics will definitely be better this go around with OS.

With OS, the CE engine is basically brought the capabilities of a fully unlocked H2 Engine (outside of Multiplayer and Physics of course). It simply allows for the necessary extensions to happen that the H2 engine has.

Let me give you an example:

Lol, the shaders on the Plasma Pistol make the first person arms look like crap. :P

Thank Raptor Jesus for OS!

He went extinct for your sins.

I actually fixed the problems in OS's networking hooks (ie, it hooks into the engine's own networking code) a while back, so devices, bsp switches, etc could potentially be worked into MP. However, non-OS clients would be completely incompatible with it (they would get an OS-specific packet and drop from the server). The last thing the game needs is yet another population split, so I'm not working on putting the new sync'ing improvements into the release builds of OS.

Pretty amazing work with the engine, as I just discovered Open Sauce too, the first person models have always looked great, and this is a huge step forward anyway (the plasma pistol looks amazing).
I had a look at the Halomods thread, and Ifafudafi's particle work is stunning. But like in HL2, i cant imagine that this amount of polish will be extended to the buildings and enemies, etc, considering that the arms will be in your face the whole time.

Any ETA on this project?

Not really. OS is mainly just new graphics, effects, and new shader extensions, with the exception of some other new commands and tags. There isn't a whole lot, or if any, that deals with: sounds, AI, encounters, or any of that type of stuff (which is actually a bummer imo).

What's the point in being able to do bsp switches in MP? It's not like AI sync or anything. I could see a use for elevators but that's about it. Don't think you need to worry about the player base being split up over just one somewhat useful feature.

Oh maybe that handful of RPG players could use bsp switches, but again, they're a handful.

You're aware that that's a picture from Halo 2 Vista, right?

Er? The top right Slayer icon, grenade icon on the top left, and health bar HUD on the bottom left told me otherwise....

@Higuy: Yeah, the loss of AI extensions really pisses me off, but even more so the fact that Halo 2's AI system has so much more damn potential then CE's ever could (even with scripted encounters).
Edited by DarkHalo003 on Oct 17, 2011 at 09:18 AM

Hmm, you're right. I thought I remembered Delysid saying he put his plasma pistol in H2 vista, but I misread his post on halomods. Hell, could've fooled me.

If you want upgraded AI, there's nothing stopping you, just skill and dedication to get it added in.

I may do so after I take some courses on coding (I'm learning modeling/animating/texturing on my own, so cut me some slack), but it would be so great if AI was already revamped. Not sure how THAT system would work though considering H2 uses things like Zones, Orders, Triggers, References, and Pathfinding Data in Sapien.

Who knows how someone could use a sync'ized switch_bsp in their map. I expose the game variant information to HS. If I exposed the current scores to it as well, someone could change the bsp once a certain score is reached. It's not just about campaign. Or maybe someone could create a map which has some super-nuke on it that blows everything up, and afterwords the designers switch to a 'destroyed' bsp and the game continues. Skybox is the limit.

I gave access to the game state properties of objects and Kirby was later able to make a more balanced boosting system. I didn't consider someone doing that when I first wrote it. So the point is/would have been, people can't do it now, so let them do it.

Devices include controls, not just machines. Those were only a few examples of what could be sync'ized.

Since I can't make it plug into the current CE sandbox without breaking compatibility, and even if I did there isn't a high chance of it being widely used, I'm not going to spend my time actively developing it. I have bigger fish to fry.



There's more to OS than that. Everyone wants to associate OS with just FireScythe's gfx features since they're the main *visual* changes. OS also gives users and developers more control over their experience (be it with the game or the HEK). The non-visual features aren't small little changes in comparison.

OS isn't about throwing a bunch of different colors onto a canvas and calling it art. Everything we do has to be backwards compatible (either implicitly or with minimal effort) with the stock game. We're able to work around this in some cases (eg, using .yelo for maps using increased memory features). AI cannot be as readily changed because it would require changes to tag definitions and also the game state (plus I don't have the time to reverse engineer yet another complex subsystem). Changes to the tag definitions would render those tags incompatible with the stock HEK. Changing the game state would render game saves incompatible, along with some programs that read/write to the game's memory directly.

AI and audio systems typically require a full time engineer. There's only two of us actively working on the codebase. FireScythe handles his Halo1 gfx pipeline and a few new tools (thank him for the MSI installer) here and there, and I have to manage everything else. I have to reverse engineer, design and write code that interops with multiple black box software. That's just for Halo1. The OpenSauce codebase spans multiple games and tools, so dev time isn't just dedicated to one game on one platform.

It may be a bummer that we don't have any new changes to the AI or audio, but there's nothing we can do about it. We don't have the man power, nor magical additional free time. However, there is still plenty of new stuff for users and designers to take advantage of in OS (and if you're a programmer, even more is exposed to you). OS is not just some small add on that offers a few new pretty effects here and there with a dash of script functions as salt and pepper.
Edited by kornman00 on Oct 17, 2011 at 02:27 PM

It wasn't synchronized or anything, but the old CMT multiplayer maps used bsp switches.

Is there any where I can go to watch / read about OS's release?

and ohai der Arteen :o

Is it possible to add an automatic white balance in OS' post processing ? That would also fix some problems with bloom. Idk if Its hard to make tho, i still hope :D

Btw nice come back everyone

Well, with people talking about the AI, I can't help recall a project somebody did where it was upgraded AI, where they took cover, flanked. Sad thing is, they didn't teabag.

Gnademassica I think it was... if I got the name right.

Maybe. Can't remember. Anyway, it was actual proper working AI. Worked beautifully, if I dare say so myself. Might be worth it to check it out.

Whenever people talk about "upgraded" AI all they did was edit some values in the .actor and/or .actor_variant tags and slap the label "improved AI" on it. It's the same AI.

Really? Because it seemed pretty upgraded. They were spartan models of course, not sure how it would translate to others, but they ducked, rolled, meleed, flanked, did pincer attacks.

Well....SUPAH COMBINATIONEZ!

Seriously, even the addition of that would make it a much better experience in my opinion.

Really.

The AI will always be the same, how smart they are depends on the encounters, where they know cover is, where they know you are, and what they do in certain situations.

However the ACTV and ACTR changes will make them seem better as they would be more accurate and act more like they should with their weapons, instead of firing 2 bolts and waiting 10 seconds.

Gnades supposed improved AI was a bunch of crap.

You didn't have to say that, you could have kept it to yourself.

Anyway, if bloom is included, will it be different for each level? or will it be the same for the whole game?

This. That's all one can do theoretically without extensions, but even more so is that AI rely HEAVILY on how you script and formulate their encounters in Sapien. One reason why Bungie's AI is so great is because the way the firing positions are set up with the scripts that coordinate with those squads/encounters allow the AI to flow well with each other. You can't just go into Guerilla and modify the values, expect that the AI will be brilliant, and call it a day. AI in this engine rely heavily on how they are set up in the encounters.

Now, to Gnade's defense, neglecting the values is a horrible, horrible mistake. The values basically decide the general actions of each individual actor and how they are affected by the player. Even more so, the shield systems are directly affected by the actor_variant and collision_model tags, both of which are very important.

I may do a release of my Elite AI soon, mainly because they're the most solid of my AI and they seriously will kick the crap out of you. When I was working to release "Smart" AI, my Elites were the only ones (because the Marines, Grunts, and Jackals were all respectively intelligent, though debatable) that really had forward progress and remained feasible for gameplay. The Hunters and Brutes I've been working on are easily still WIP; the Hunters don't kick ass enough and the Brutes have identity issues.

Speaking of which (because I know the Vehicles don't allow survivors for crashing into things and thus creates this issue) does anyone know how to make Hunters melee vehicle instead of jumping to avoid them? I would need to know how to make it so vehicles don't murder stuff on contact immediately first, so if anyone wants to help me with that, I'm sure I could move further on my own.
Edited by DarkHalo003 on Oct 18, 2011 at 08:32 AM

Pre-processing<post-processing ? Never heard of presomething + I have no trust in your knowledge.
So anyways Idk if white balance is the good term but is it possible ?

...What are you talking about and on what do you base this claim?



Assuming you can come up with an algorithm that does white-balance based on a full-rendered scene then yeah it's possible. OS Postprocessing doesn't give you too much information to work with: you have the scene buffer, a few misc buffers (normal, depth, one that has cool stuff like object team and health, etc) and scripted-in data but I'm sure you could do something to at least approximate what you want. Whether or not it would run fast is another question though since you'd probably need to do at least two iterations through the entire screen (once to determine how to alter the pixels, once to actually alter them). But then again, I'm not too familiar with image-processing.
Edited by teh lag on Oct 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I'll make my researches to try to find either that algorithm or an approximation, but while you're not familiar with post processing, I definitely dont know and understand anything to what is post processing and how it work, but I'll give it a try (I hate coding<algorithm<math<logic)



hiralis, lost all credibility to me now.
Edited by bourrin33 on Oct 18, 2011 at 01:12 PM

teh lag ftw!

Wait, he hadn't already? You MUST jest?
Edited by eliteslasher on Oct 19, 2011 at 09:58 AM

Why do people insist on quoting multiple posts, when all they're really replying to is a part of the outer most quote?

Where is candle jack when

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