jesus flipping christ what a pile of rage over a jackal.

can't wait to see all you kids screaming like you're getting castrated over the Warthog.
one
two

it's actually not finished obviously, but seeing the level of sheer stupidity here, i should propably say it.


edit:
"New Members must wait at least 5 days before posting images. Wait Time = 4 days"

impressive.
Edited by neuro on Nov 7, 2011 at 05:19 AM
Edited by neuro on Nov 7, 2011 at 05:20 AM
Edited by neuro on Nov 7, 2011 at 05:20 AM

The only rage is that caused by the artists who get mad over any form of crit.
As for your warthog, I like it, looks better than the Forza 4 Warthog imo.

most the garbage passing for 'post' on these forums can't be considered crit.

No, you just consider the opinions of people who do not find CMT's artwork ultimate perfection to be gargage, because you all have high attitude problems. Wake up, people will disagree with you and your style and have every right to post about it unless in direct violation with the Dennis protocol.

I'm in no way affiliated to CMT, nor do i give a rat's ass about what they do or don't do.
I was asked to make a few assets for them, which i agreed to do.

What you may or may not think about CMT (or me) doesn't matter a damn, because your chances of affecting anything at all are practically ZERO.

Furthermore, this cesspool forum has the highest concentration of stupid and idiocy i have ever seen anywhere.
That automatically makes half of the people here garbage in my mind, regardless of their opinions about anything whatsoever, including CMT.

edit:
Also I refuse to go into this any further, since I've seen your post-style, which i think is pretty cute :P
belgen.. xD
Edited by neuro on Nov 7, 2011 at 05:52 AM

Because accepting criticism is just so horrifying, isn't it?

@teh lag

Jackals look alright but the skin is a bit too shiny. May want to decrease that a tad. Otherwise looking good so far.
Edited by Higuy on Nov 7, 2011 at 06:37 AM

it's got nothing to do with accepting criticism, it's about what could have possibly made you think you're in any position to even offer any criticism at all?

What puts people here NOT in a position to offer criticism? (answer it, don't dodge it)
On Modacity you guys listened to virtually the same crit that was pointed out here, but here it's refered to as garbage. What a terrible attitude.

If you don't like halomaps crit then why did you even bother registering here...hollanders toch... xD

First, people here are not in a position to offer any, because 95% of the people here are lobotomised, and should have been aborted when they could have been, and i impressed there's even enough gray matter in those craniums to even support a heartbeat.

Second, i'm not making this for you am i?
I'm making this for CMT, that means CMT is my client, and they are the only ones who are in a position to offer any criticism.

third, i got asked to post this here.
Edited by neuro on Nov 7, 2011 at 07:52 AM

You didn't actually give a valid reason why other people cannot give their opinion on pictures you post of your work.

From what I understand from your rage session there, it appears that because 95% of us have a shortage of grey matter in our craniums, that we are not allowed to post our opinions. It is simply not allowed, by some policy that nobody knows of.

Who cares why you posted the pic here and who you are making it for, the pic has been posted, that opens it up for people to post their opinion about it, wether you like it or not, and wether or not people have enough grey matter so make an argument for it or not.

To sum it up, EVERYONE here is in a position to offer crit on ANY work that gets posted here as long as it is up to par with the Dennis protocol. You can whine all you want about it but unless the people that post crit are in violation with the D-protocol you can do NOTHING about it.

Get that in your thick skull.

Why would a professional artist need crit from a bunch of amateurs? This goes for both Dano and Neuro. To sum it up, NOBODY here is in a position to offer crit on ANY work that gets posted here. In any artistic profession, the notion that a professional would get any form of advice from an amateur aspiring in the same field has always been ludicrous. Do professional chef's get advice from frycooks at Mcdonalds? Same. Thing.

Get that in your thick skull.
Edited by Choking Victim on Nov 7, 2011 at 08:45 AM

You can't be serious.

If he can't handle crit or doesn't want crit, then none of these professionals should have posted their images here. Basically the message you are giving is this "hey guys check out my work, you can praise it and say it's perfect, but I don't want to hear anything negative at all because I am a professional and will start crying if you say something mean to me
Edited by TM_updates on Nov 7, 2011 at 08:54 AM

Masterz stated that Dane is not looking for crit and he will not be changing his art style. tbh he is doing this for free for CMT, he could be spending the time making good money. So why should he care what you think when you are not even a client of his.

If he WANTS to listen to crit just to make it look pleasing to your personal perspective then he will, but he doesn't want to so... button it.

Nuff said.

opinion != crit

Opinion = connected with crit but indeed not == crit.

Yes, why of all reasons would a professional need criticism. Hmm, I don't know... maybe for the same reason he needed it when he was rubbish at what he did? To better his work. You will never achieve a perfection status in any craft, and as such he should be open to receiving crit from all parties if it is valid. Not wanting to accept any is a sign of a big-headed fool who thinks he's better than everyone else.



Perhaps ludicrous if you're a pompous idiot. Face it; as I said in my previous part, in any artistic profession you will never achieve perfection. And as such you should be open to criticism from all parties, as long as it's valid. Disregarding it is, once again, a sure sign that you have your head up your own backside.




If their criticism is valid and shared by others then I don't see why not.



Then why bother responding to those comments in the first place? All he is doing is deliberately provoking confrontation.

Dano is acting like a troll; if he doesn't want people to crit on his work then he shouldn't respond to it when people do in the first place, they will get the hint eventually. Dano's first post in response to TM_updates crit was utterly pointless. He didn't respond to his concerns, he just proceeded to say that he's bias. Then proceeded to toot his own horn. How very professional of him.



Irrelevant; money is not a factor here. He should care because it's a valid concern, and sticking his face in the clouds singing "lalalalala I'm the best" is going to get him nowhere both in the industry, and outside.



If he wants to listen to people concerns then he should respond in a gentlemanly manner. If he does NOT want to listen, he shouldn't open his gob/type up a post in the first place.



I will stop when he stops acting like a child and responding with garbage posts.



Indeed.

As a semi-final note, I will say that if Dano is indeed as professional as he makes himself, and other make him out to be, then he will clean up his posting manner, and no longer respond to criticism if he does not want to listen to it.

Also, in an attempt, before this thread steps once more over the brink into lockage, I would quite like to say that I do like the Jackal, the only part that bothers me is mohawk on the model.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Nov 7, 2011 at 09:35 AM

I think we can all agree with Lone and let this rest.
Cheers.

He's not "rubbish" anymore, he's a professional. So he should accept crit from people who are "rubbish" now? That makes sense


How do you tell if criticism is valid? By gauging the experience of the person giving it. If you're accepting criticism from people that are making boxy models and crappy textures, you're doing it wrong.



I'm never eating the food you prepare at Mcdonalds.

BTW, I'm not a professional artist. I just completely agree with them. Isn't that weird?
Edited by Choking Victim on Nov 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Hahaha oh wow, this forum is golden.
Someone needs to make some rules, I'll start.
1. No Fun.
2. No Opinions.
3. Unless we're talking about my opinion, in which case...

sounds to me like opinions make "professional" artists assmad

What a professional post, CV.
Cheers.

Makes perfect sense if it's valid.



Valid criticism can come from any source. Valid is defined as something that is concluded logically, in this case TM_updates original point was that the model does not fit the original Halo colour scheme. A logical conclusion, and one that is factually sound. How you tell criticism is valid is not by the experience of the person but by the logical and factual background of it. If society were built upon the idea that only valid criticism comes from 'experienced' people then we would still be living in the medieval ages.






Edit for your edit:



If you consider having an opinion weird, then yes it is.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Nov 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Hey guys, Lonewarrior invited me here to hold up his argument. Just so he could look smarter on a forum. He's been talking to me over Steam and most of the points he made are mine.
I'm tired of playing his little game of backing him up in almost every forum post he ever makes. So I'll stop it right here and just say to just ignore most, if not all of what he says.

Seems legit.

This guy is so right. 10/10 quality post.

I am basking in your awesome.

Why not? Frycooks at McDonalds are not entirely brainless, nor skillless. Clearly they must have some idea of what ideas should be applied to foods as McDonalds makes billions. Professional chefs would be moronic if they didn't take advice from McDonalds frycooks, as long as it was a valid. For example, if I was a professional chef making a burger, would I take advice from my boss who may never have actually tried to cook a burger before, or from a McDonalds frycook who at least has some idea of how to cook a decent burger?

CMT has hired a professional because he can model a warthog better than them. Refusing to take advice from the public is idiotic as the public clearly has some idea of what a warthog should look like as they actually have experience in that area. CMT seems to be more into the coding and shadering area and so may have less useful opinions on how a warthog should look.

See, what did I say.
I won't show his name on here, for his privacy, but this is exactly what he's been doing all morning. He must really have a vendetta against this thread and the post that have been made.



Hey you, you sarcastic one you. I'm just here to throw out some ad hominem at you. Just to make it seems like I'm totally ignorable and have no valid points. Which is the truth. So shall I continue? I guess I should.

You're the guy that goes to reddit, and finds material to show off to his friends because he isn't original enough to post anything good.
You're probably the kind of guy that says "U MAD" or "Your Mother." You're a punk, and I totally bet no one in your life has ever wanted to do things with you because how disgusting and unlikable you are.
Edited by Igotaname13_ on Nov 7, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Troll harder :3
Edited by Lone Warrior on Nov 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Perfectly legit, nothing to see here.

Oh yeah, you're really starting to upset me. I wish you'd just go somewhere else. Maybe calling out the legitimacy of artistic works? Wait, you couldn't even get a job because you're entirely unlikable. I bet you're like Lonewarrior who calls everyone with an opposing opinion a troll.
Troll harder.

Haha....
Wait what?

Oh you know what I'm talking about. Remember that time on Xfire you came up to me and told me you had homosexual experiences with that cute guy from Wales? Yeah, you can't fool me. You're just as bad as Lone and his horrid post content. Maybe even worse.
I swear, if I see another post by you I could just scream.
People like you make me roll on the floor laughing, you troller. You should probably go love a man somewhere else other than here on this now horrid forum.
It's only horrid because you're here.

Sounds to me like opinions are just that.

I bet 90 percent of you listen to Gaga/Kanye/Bieber and the rest of the gang.

I'm going to give you some personal criticism if you do:

You have bad taste.

I will not accept opinions from people with obviously bad taste, jaded opinions and invalid critiques. It'd be like me, as a guitar player, having some piece of filth tell me to play a 4 chord song, because those sell money and are popular.

Artistic style or colour or premise is of no concern to you. Criticisms regarding 3D art are supposed to fall within build quality itself. Artistic direction is all a matter of perspective. You can voice it sure, but in this age of this particular community, all it does is waste time and we need to get things moving now.


This is how it works:

Me make something, we ask people who know what the F they're talking about.

We post the thing on community forums to you know....let people know things are happening and give some insight on where things are headed and or just to plain share something we think is cool.


Some clown on some forum thinks he has input on my creative process? Pfft. Yeah, the last thing I need after being at work all day dealing with clients and their feedback, is coming home working on something till 3 in the morning and some candyass telling me how to do my hobby with his broken feedback.


The problem is, this invalid "every voice shall be heard" criticism way of thinking is what broke the modding scene in this community. Now everything has to conform to this ideal mindset and fall within some invisible bracket no one can see or follow, and progress doesn't happen. People spend too long on a project and it falls apart.


This doesn't happen in other modding communities, who also, seem to produce better more consistent work. All your "criticisms" are, are reflecting ideologies 90 percent of the time and hold no weight what so ever.

This too fat, this too thin, this not bassey enough, needs more cowbell. It will never end. You look for some sort of "problem" as if it's always there and exists and you must find it. "Oh this thing here, I have to find something to pick apart, this must be it here, I dunno derp"

We stare at this stuff for hours on end as we make it. After a certain point you need to realize all of it is intended and we know about it.

In the case of my current work:

Yes there are flaws, some areas painted quicker than others, some parts that aren't as special, but I am well aware of them, and none of you brought them up. You didn't bring up valid criticism. You brought up "design choices" which, in my opinion, you have no real call to make.

Personally my current way of doings things, is I try to get out my stuff in less than 5 nights (I have lazy days to you know, have a break in between those) so I'm not spending too long on one thing.
Years ago I'd spend weeks or even longer making one thing, only for it to be bad anyway in the long run just because I wasn't as good at the time as I am now.
In the last month or so I've knocked out a whole bunch of stuff, and it's much better this way. Everything get's polished later, but what's posted is what it will look like, minus some tweaks and more time spent on painting. The important part is that things get done, and stay fresh. I don't want to be staring at the same thing for all that time again to get sick of it and lose flair and then have some grubby people spitting all over it.

People accept criticism and take it on the skin of their teeth, but I feel deep down it's the reason many have moved on from this community. After a point it just becomes frustrating to never just being able to be happy with something you just wasted weeks of your life on.

So I knock it out and give it as much attention as I can within a timeframe and then I move onto the next. If somethings taking longer than expected, I take a breather from that particular piece, get back to life, distract myself, come back, knock something else out, and then return to the piece again with fresh eyes.


Every artist strives to make the best he can at that present time, but there are boundaries to this so called feedback you think your giving.

All this stuff we post is PR to basically say "were still here". How I'd wish Black Mesa Source would post some damn proper updates.



This forum is nothing but a wailing wall and the mantra that goes on along with it is half the reason the community is so fragmented. Modacity is no different.


I also know for a fact that this is ALL Tall Poppy syndrome. I can bet good money on a resident well liked halomaps guy posting these same images getting blown and jizzed all over like a shemale train in thailand.


I don't really know what to say anymore. There it is. Feel glad, It's 3:20 in the morning and I just became a sucker, yet again. This will be the last time I post here at least until things improve, because I won't put up with this.

Ad Hominem more.



Bad Taste, Jaded opinions and invalid critiques are subjective. But fine, if you want to live in lala land for the rest of your life, go ahead.



A piece of filth eh? Wow. Just Wow.



Why is it of no concern to us? We create things too? It is as much of a concern to us as it is to you. The difference between an entirely new game and making stuff for an existing one is that if you are creating something that's meant to resemble something already in the game, it has to conform to the art style. It'd be like making a block house and calling it Forerunner when it clearly isn't.



How delightfully arrogant of you.



That is not what is in question here.



That 'clown' is giving valid feedback and you're too arrogant to realise that. Regardless as I've said many many many times in my previous post (the non-troll ones). If you don't want crit, then don't respond to it.


The problem is, this invalid "every voice shall be heard" criticism way of thinking is what broke the modding scene in this community. Now everything has to conform to this ideal mindset and fall within some invisible bracket no one can see or follow, and progress doesn't happen. People spend too long on a project and it falls apart.



Really? Because I know quite a few that have everyone giving feedback that is logical and the developers get on great with their community. As for "Criticisms reflecting ideologies" I'd quite like to see you give any sort of factual backing to that statement.



There is always an issue because people always have conflicting opinions. Making something that everyone will like is impossible.



Why purposely show something that you know the community will complain about, then complain about them complaining?



We brought up criticism regarding the colour styles, which does not fit Halo. Open up a comparism picture between your work, and the old Jackal and you will see this yourself.



Contributes nothing to the argument except for you clearly demonstrating how you feel about people who crit on your work.



Newsflash, not everyone will be happy with your work. It's called opinions. And just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're invalid.



And this has relevance how?



Yes they are boundaries, but we haven't crossed them. As far as I can tell these 'boundaries' are subjective to how you feel. Basically, if anyone offers any sort of crit on your work, you'll get mad at them for not praising it.



No relevance again.



Ranting now are we?



You won't put up with valid criticism?

Great, just so we know where we stand then with your work.
Edited by Lone Warrior on Nov 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Edited by Lone Warrior on Nov 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

And we won't put up with your attitude either, mister Dano.