ok well get this:

the gameplay designed for hugeass/coldsnap/etc is pretty horrid

nuff said

Not true.

everything has something greater to beat in that map. A sniper can be killed by a simple rocket from a jet, or other sniper.

The Mythos and Long Sword make a great duel. Coldsnap is greatly balanced. But hugeass on the other hand, not so much.

you really walked into that one lol

Big maps are not bad. HOWEVER... anything that has any vehicle with nukes that can have the people with nukes sitting on your spawn constantly launching them is a bad map.


Reason:

You can't spawn because someone forgot to put in max ammo or make the cooldown longer


Solution:

Coldsnap I will admit has done the closest thing it can to stopping this by making it so only friendlies can even see/access the spawn. However this map has explosive rounds on the snipers. This makes it so people can hide in the cliffs, see 360 degrees. And shoot anything without the other person having a chance. Explosive rounds on a fast and accurate gun make the gameplay rediculous. (bad weapon decisions)


Examples of bad maps because of this:

Hugeass has nukes and an open bay (bad map design)
Extinction has nukes and an open bay (bad map design)


Reality of the situation:

This is more for Dennis so we can all quit arguing this topic over and over and over.
When People say that the map has bad gameplay here that is because often times moders are game enthusiasts. Being a game enthusiast, it is hard to not say something is a bad map or has bad gameplay when first off, you are never going to make a skill kill. Exploding rounds on a already accurate sniper... not a skill kill. Nukes... NEVER a skill kill. Maps that make it so you have the possibility of getting double or triple kills (without blowing something up) are maps that a lot of people consider to be good maps because hey involve fast reactions and a little foresight sometimes. A big open plane with some heavy vehicles is really not fun when you aren't in a vehicle.
Oh and another reason people like smaller maps is because as I said some people are game enthusiasts and pro FPS gamers don't really play big maps when they are playing for $$$
Actually, for reasons people say that small is better, that may be a reason to end all reason. Show me pro gamer playing for money who does FPS games in particular and plays on big 5k maps.
Edited by eliteslasher on Apr 20, 2011 at 06:50 PM

Why? What is it that make you so special?
Obviously.

Take your pick, years of experience with game development, my involvement with competitive gaming communities in multiple games, or the fact that my work has been bought by professional game dev companies (valve).



Yes, if you were right, it would be quite a paradox huh!
Edited by SeL on Apr 20, 2011 at 07:01 PM

Sorry but I don't care whether I appeal to the masses of idiots or not. I have no interest in making garbage just so that it'll be played.

Doesn't matter how many years of experience you have or what you've accomplished. Still doesn't make your opinion a fact and everyone else's worthless.

You need to get off your high horse and get over yourself buddy.

Well, I think the problem with humongous maps like extinction is: takes forever to find anybody. Whenever I play on those maps, I end up mostly:

flying across the map, nobody to fight.
and when I do find somebody
I am in a jet, they're in a scarab or a phantom.
So I fly around them for 10 minutes shooting at them. I'm too fast to hit for them. They are impossible to kill.
Edited by Xoronatus on Apr 21, 2011 at 12:19 AM

like I said. If you can't get double or triple kills WITHOUT blowing up something...
:/

Apparently theres a thread for this conversation.

there's like a million threads for this. And no one will just agree to disagree or that people are different and have their own opinions.

Don't forget the win32 folder deletion attempt :D

Also SeL, what work has Valave accepted from you? TF2 stuff?

You need to get off your low horse and accomplish something worthwhile before you even consider telling me what to do.





http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Coldfront

and then they ruined the game with their dumb hats and weapons lol!
Edited by SeL on Apr 21, 2011 at 09:39 AM

wow, if your gonna work on Lumoria than you would fit right in.

You know since you act so cocky you would make it so perfect. lol

I didn't make coldfront, I did some (relatively simple) models for it.

Ok, I think I see it now. Just to clarify things I will end this with two simple yes or no questions.


Are you asserting that regardless of the evidence to the contrary that no one can have fun playing a large non-competitive style map?

or

Are you saying that because of your professed experience no other opinion about how the game should be played matters except yours?

Apparently both.

Have I said either of these things?



And no, I just know whose opinions on gameplay in halo matter, and whose don't.
Edited by SeL on Apr 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Intelligent people aren't complete jerks to everyone that doesn't bow down to them.


Yeah, I can see, from all the cocky comebacks he's come up with.


LOL.
Edited by nick347b on Apr 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Please stop posting, your idiocy is unbearable.

No, YOU humble yourself and realize that the average person thinks/would agree that you are the idiot.

Ohhh that makes you so cool, doesn't it? Oops, well actually it doesn't because mature people don't make immature sexual jokes.

Immaturity seems to be the only thing you understand, since reason can't penetrate your overly thick skull~

oh jeez guys, youse r ridiculous.
sel, i trust all went well with the beta test, do u have a release date?
Edited by Ubergoober on Apr 22, 2011 at 01:16 AM

Idea: everybody get over themselves; its a game. and map for a game. that hasn't even been released. speculation on weather it will be fun or not is just that, speculation. some people want this map released and not to target people but sel, if u dont like it dont download it. like seriously u guys took up 3 pages arguing. thats time of your lives your not getting back.

back on topic. how far along is the map, what needs to be done, and what would you like crit or advice etc. on?

Who are you? What have you done? Give me some reason why your opinion should matter at all to me.





u like?

Anyway here is this friday's build, I'm going to put up a new thread this time actually, since this one keeps getting buried in drama.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/Requiem_Alpha3.zip
Edited by SeL on Apr 21, 2011 at 03:51 PM

I'm a jerk, and consider myself somewhat intelligent. I consider ShadowSpartan somewhat intelligent and he's a jerk. I consider Sel somewhat intelligent and he's a jerk.

The 3 of us are jerks. Therefore, all somewhat intelligent people must be jerks to those who don't know how to be reasonable.

This argument entire argument is invalid. If any of you were intelligent you'd realize how dumb this entire thread has become and just stop posting.


Sel I just dl'ed the latest file, I had posted this in a previous page but does anyone have a spare key I can use?
Edited by YakZSmelk on Apr 21, 2011 at 05:21 PM

Hey you kids, shut up.
I can hear you all the way from polycount.

shhhh I'm being a jerk here, don't ruin it for me.

I'd like to know what was the point of this picture exactly, as i see no real reason for it being there, but that just might as well be me.

if im not all to busy, i'll drop by and see how this build is, maybe check it on my own with a few friends, and i'll report you any bugs i tend to spot.

Quick Question: You planning to Release any assets from this map elsewhere? From the pictures and the like......2 minutes of me running around, the map itself looks very nice and i'd like to incorporate some into maps that i plan to make. (and i dont feel like using my 3D ripper either)



Final Thing: TBH, being unbiased is impossible, yes, but there are other things you can do. Gamer's bias on the other hand is a truly ugly thing, and (no offense) it seems to me that you're trying to be more arrogant than stating your opinion



Yes, You're being a Jerk, but due to that only around 2% of anybody that's here is going to pay attention to you, as you just post up nonsense. If you can contribute to something here, go ahead, maybe somebody will show you a slight bit of respect enough to care for what you're saying. Kthnxbai



No offense to you, but who the hell are you anyways?
First off: You're just blatantly stating "Your Argument is Invalid"...Nobody will take you seriously like that

Secondly: Coming into the forums to state stuff, that's ok, but there's other ways of stating your opinion rather than falling to stupidy

Thirdly: isnt Tiel the name of that Girl from Vindictus?
Edited by R93_Sniper on Apr 21, 2011 at 07:18 PM

I'm just giving a heads up to everyone about the contents of the secret room.

And all assets I have the permission to release, will be released. Though the only custom asset in there right now are the doors, and I released those a year ago when I put out revelations.
Edited by SeL on Apr 21, 2011 at 07:35 PM

You have inferred both so please answer to clear it up.