Nice but your post is kind of a run on.

It's an excuse to use commas. Commas, whoa man, Kiwi loves those blasted things. In fact, Kiwi tries, tries, and tries again, in odd ways, to include as many commas as he can, usually.

WTF? Who is kiwi? Wasn't he a dude who got mad at the forums and left?

Kiwi left because of the lack of commas, which he loves. Your post did not contain a single comma, a very distressing sight. That makes Kiwi mad enough to roar, very loudly, in anger.

My eyes, they bleed,i dont like the gl ad, i love commas too, they remind me of bananas, did i mention i like bananas?

Don’t thank me for common decency. The best way to avoid being a target of ridicule is to think before you post and to not be “lazy”. It is incumbent upon each poster to endeavor to properly utilize sentence structure and grammar to your best ability. Just because there is no excuse for demeaning or bullying behavior does not mean that there is an excuse for mangling the language because you are “lazy”. The ONLY form of communication in this forum is written and just as people should not make fun of those who struggle with it, if you intend to communicate you should strive to be clear and concise.

LMAO When I read Dennis's posts, it is like Spock giving a logic speech in my head. L0d3x sounds like Doctor McCoy trying to tell Spock not to be so damned logical all the time.

Oh, and FTFY L0d3x.

Edited by Dragonmaster91 on Jan 22, 2010 at 09:23 AM

OK Let’s try this again. Your assertion is that, in your own words, “Sarcasm has nothing to do with insecurity...” and to that point I would agree. However I specifically said that it was “The sarcastic responses say more about the insecurity…” which was a statement not specifically about sarcasm but how it was used and the intent behind it; to demean another. Sarcasm in and of itself does not infer insecurity however using it to demean others does since people who need to demean are often pulling other people down in a misguided attempt to build themselves up. This is very likely to be happening below the level of awareness and is classically self esteem related or in other words caused by a sense of insecurity. This is psychology 101.

My assertion was the behavior was inappropriate and you indicated that you agreed that it was “mean-hearted”. Unless you are saying that “mean-hearted” behavior is appropriate, and to inject some sarcasm, I am sure that with your moral righteousness you are not, then I am not sure what this discussion is about except as a chance for you to argue with me.

I remember kiwi!
Then he left.
About 5 months after i joined.
=)

Because people are incapable of hiding insecurities.

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Edited by Dennis on Jan 23, 2010 at 02:27 AM

Mine and the actual experts in the field, Yes.

You are free to feel that way however there is a body of evidence and hundreds of years of precedent that think otherwise.
First TV is absolutely not real. Even so called reality shows are not real. Once a camera is introduced and editing is performed any resemblance to reality fades quickly. I’ve worked in TV and video, the camera alters reality on so many levels I don’t have time to explain.

Yes the bullying demeaning "cool kids" have levels of insecurity and self esteem issues that cause their behavior. They feel that in order to be “cool” they have to demean others, like the “geeks” or the “nerds”. They feel that if they didn’t do so they wouldn’t be cool and they are afraid of not being cool which is being insecure in their “status”.

The very act of taking on an alter-ego to act out differently and without internal censorship on the internet is a classic example of self esteem issues or a deeper seated pathology. Mostly in adults, acting purely without moral conscience or without any empathy whatsoever is psychopathic and those personalities have so many issues to do with self that you can’t really call it insecurity because they have a skewed visualization of the world in total and an inability to process emotional clues. In adolescents and teens it can be a (poor) way of testing boundaries which means they are not yet secure in them self to act without them.

To be clear I am not talking about using a pseudo name or screen name. I am talking about people who act very differently on-line or off-line.

By definition, someone who is secure in their own self has no need to take on alter egos or to act any differently on-line as they do off-line. They get no special release, satisfaction or reward by acting any differently. In children and adolescents the sense of self, or the level of security in themselves and their decisions, is still forming and continues into their 20’s. After that it gets modified over the rest of their life based on experience. The process never ends. The formative years from toddler to young adult is when the self-correction mechanism forms and it is formed based on the boundaries that are set. Testing those boundaries at that age is how we find out what is acceptable and unacceptable. At some point you become secure in those boundaries and don’t stray from them regardless of the lack of consequences.

On many levels everyone has insecurities, I do, you do, the cool kids do it is how we respond to them that is, if you will excuse a cliché, “the measure of the man”. It is not healthy to be crippled by them nor to react from them by harming another, which includes psychological harm such as making fun of them to boost your ego. In all cases, the act of unprovoked demeaning behavior such as physical or psychological bullying is an indication of either a sense of insecurity or a deeper pathological absence of empathy. In adolescents and teens it is mostly caused by issues of self esteem. There is nothing wrong with having insecurities it is how you deal with them that matters.

Of course not, but neither is every person such a special little snowflake that such things never apply.



Pardon Kiwi's French, but Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with your school? That is just plain not right. An entire student body against one, probably small, group of students. Wait, wait, wait.



Why does Kiwi suddenly have a very strong feeling that you're exaggerating the number of people who did it to cover up for what sounds like an absolute need to mock these people, really now.



It sounds like you were just looking for an excuse to mock them, you and the rest of them are pretty heartless people.

Geez, this makes Kiwi glad he went to a small private school.



"Fun" at the constant expense of others is wrong, and what are you on? Just because we suddenly have computers and cars doesn't mean that all of a sudden we can say whatever we want to other people.



Not so fast there, Mr. Lodex, the first half of your rebuttal sounds to Kiwi like "That can't be true because it means me and my friends are psychopaths, not special!" a rather poor counter-point in Kiwi's opinion. Keeping two realms separate does not mean turn into a completely different person between the two, sort of like separation of church and state, a politician has to keep one from spilling into the other, but that does not mean he has to be a pious man in church and a womanizing heathen in the political ring.




Actors are capable of taking on alter-egos, so to speak, for a time. Though Kiwi would wager it isn't healthy to do so for a very long time, at least not without changing some yourself (then again, quite a few actors aren't emotionally healthy). A large portion of your argument is based upon "not caring." Such a thing is not a healthy attitude towards everything, nor is it proper justification for so many things.




You sound like a broken record at this point, "I don't care and so do some other people, that means nothing's wrong with me, yay me!"
Edited by Kiwi on Jan 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM

If you want to have a discussion with Dennis alone, then may I ask why you are doing it in a public forum where anyone can read it, respond and criticize it? I'd say Kiwi has some valid points, and he has the right to post them.

Kiwi does indeed have the right to post. However, L0d3x doesn't have to read it, as he said:

Are you serious L0d3x?
Continually picking on social outcasts is fun now?

I'm not sure what you're smoking, but last I checked that was called "being an ass" not "having fun"

Indeed, they are social outcast only because you made them into that. I have no social skills, you know why? ****s who think they are cool to shun me out of society don't give me a chance.

I don't care if you think you have no insecurities, but that only tells people you do. You don't want to read this? Fine, you don't have to. Ignore other people's advice if you want. They only give you advice because they want you to succeed.

Would I say I am intelligent? Maybe a little, but let's be fair here. I don't have the chance to show it because I have poor social skills (if you can't tell from some of my posts around here) and don't know when to respect someone because they always screw with my emotions. Social skills come from being social, why should I be social when everyone just wants me for money or to rip on me? Do you really think that it is fair to other people? Sure, life isn't fair, I get that. However, if you gave everyone the chance they deserved, then maybe, just maybe, they might actually be cool to you.

Am I saying that you are stupid? Heck no, from some of the things I have seen around here, you seem pretty intelligent. There is something else you don't have though, when you have it, you will know. It comes with time though. If you have the patience, it will make you a better person.

Ignore me if you wish, I'm just trying to help out.


I agree with you however. Us Americans are really incredibly stuck up. We are so proud of being Americans we don't even know what it means, or, what it meant.

I doubt 50% of our population even remembers how this country came to be.

I would say yes, I am proud to be an American, but there is always improvement to be made. We have lost sight of that over the years.
Edited by Dragonmaster91 on Jan 23, 2010 at 01:52 PM

Nah, not that far out of reach. It is the people you deal with everyday, other than your friends. Whether it be the outcasts, or random people. You have to show respect. Otherwise, don't be surprised when you need help and everyone denies you.

Just saying, just in case. I'll shut up now.

You should because he has made some very good points.
There are no absolutes and just because there are no two snowflakes that look alike does not mean they are not created the same way and exhibit the same basic characteristics. Thinking in absolutes excludes possibilities. We know the world is not flat, which at one time was an absolute concept. Human behavior is exceeding complex but there are behaviors common to most all regardless of the culture such as a simple smile.
Although there is that possibility that is not what I said. What I said was:


The internet is part of the real world just as are Egypt, China or Antarctica which are completely different environments. Someone using anonymity, which is more an illusion than a reality, as an excuse to act differently is a clear indication that they are not comfortable acting as them self. A sense of self is not magically suspended or pulled from you because you type through a computer to distant people; it is still there guiding your actions just as if you were standing in Antarctica. There is no real difference in the person, except the need for thermal underwear. And once again to be clear, I am not talking about play acting but about people who purposely demean or try to cause harm to others
You have already disproved this statement when you demanded that I ban the person who referred to your posted picture as ugly.

Are you trolling?
Like, seriously, are you trolling right now, cause I can't tell.
Maybe I missed a memo or something but I don't remember you ever being able to decide who deserves to be teased or not. Normalcy is relative to the people you surround yourself with. What is socially acceptable to "geeks" is different than what is socially acceptable to you, and nobody can say whether it's right or wrong, you can only say that you don't think it's normal.

btw way to be racist about the nationalities thing.
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Jan 23, 2010 at 03:38 PM

That's not necessarily true, at least in Kiwi's opinion, when it infringes upon the freedom of others, it becomes wrong.

And you say other people have insecurity problems. From what I've read, it seems that you think picking on "nerdy" Americans is fun, that Belgium is far better than America, and that if you're elected into a place of power you're going to essentially laugh at those under you who have no power, and attempt to destroy those who disagree with you.
And to think I looked up to you....
-rep. Definitely.
Edited by CorruptedHalo on Jan 23, 2010 at 03:48 PM

Corrupted, that does not even make sense. Besides, as I said, America is highly overrated by- You guessed it, Americans. Now, I can't compare the U.S to Belgium, but I must admit, the US is becoming a Literal Craphole. /endpoint

Can this end yet...? srs take it to pms guys its not halo related WHICH, if none of you noticed, is the point of the site.

That's a good point, and you are correct. I was only talking about everyday behavior and teasing, but obviously in some extreme cases when it starts to violate other people's freedom's it is definately wrong, no matter what you use to justify it.

Can this end yet...? srs take it to pms guys, it's not halo related WHICH, if none of you noticed, is the point of the site. Dennis may as well make another forums for discussions in psychology.

I didn't think I'd ever have to say this, but Dennis and L0dex, please take it to the PM's. I think this thread should die and never ever come back.

so if lod3x is a pp, that means all belgians r pp's!!!!

Belgians are plasma pistols?

Not like there's much to the original topic anyway.

Civil discussion can solve things, or at least put them to rest. Not to mention, this has yet to devolve into a flamefest.
Edited by Kiwi on Jan 23, 2010 at 06:13 PM

You're trying to hard with the whole not caring bit.

It is what you do with that freedom that tells people who you are. Physical or virtual it doesn’t matter and you don’t automatically acquire a new and different personality. People’s actions on the Internet just displays the existing one without constrains. Someone with proper self esteem and self image would act much the same with or without constraints and not suddenly become demeaning and bullying. The Internet does not create dual personalities one good and one bad it can just show the side of the one you keep hidden.

I get it; you dislike me, you feel wronged or you just dislike authority in any guise. You have injected yourself into this thread without need. Maybe to argue with me to just prove me wrong or to show me up to take me down a peg maybe to make yourself feel better in the process. That is fine since it has stayed civil. But the central issue is that people who, unprovoked, demean others are showing a sense of insecurity/lack of esteem and are incorrect to behave that way. Since you have already indicated that their behavior is incorrect, unless I am misunderstanding the meaning of “mean-hearted”, I am once again at a loss as to the purpose of continuing this discussion.

Ok now i'm confused, i'm pretty sure that if you don't want to "hang out" with a certain group of people, that means your insecure.
Plus at my old school i was what you would call the "cool kids" or "gansta" or what ever you call it today. everyone, i mean EVERYONE was my friend. i usually try to make others feel better bout them selfs. now im in Vancouver wa or what i call it "conservative hell". Why? because the teachers are all tree huggers,draft ditchen,assh**es! they say crap like "weed don't hurt ya" and the person who said it had a girls voice.(but it was a boy!)
they're racist as hell and they make fun of my old town Yakima wa.
Lastly lod3x have you ever hear of the vt massacre? ever? that's what happens when you bully.

Yawn.

This topic is boring.

Personally I agree with Lod3x, and I'm considered a "nerd"

Whos to say that in his country, that is acceptable there? Or rather, its okay to do that?

I bet you didn't know.

In all due respect, you should stop thinking everyone is in America, because quite frankly, America isn't the only country that goes on this site.

Dennis knows this, his logs clearly show there are other countries here.

You're insulting those that make you feel insecure, by calling your teachers

Edited by Gamma927 on Jan 24, 2010 at 03:17 PM

Stop supporting god forsaken, tree hugging, commie liberals.