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Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:03 AM    Msg. 1 of 86       
my first map

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM_GMpmUtfQ

first couple encounters lemme know what you think


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:12 AM    Msg. 2 of 86       
Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.

I like the missile pod, me wants.

FIX YOUR DAMN LAG.

you're using CMT stuff gtfo.

Advanceho's cruddy shadow.

Get rid of that HORRIBLE ODST\CMT\Halo 3 HUD.

horrible wannabe odst fp arms.

But i like the sky.


Edited by jesse on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM


sierra117
Joined: Jan 10, 2008

If sex is good exercise, why are there fat sluts?


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:52 AM    Msg. 3 of 86       
no offense but in reality, would marines stand around, if a city on their home planet was being attacked by an alien race? Just saw alot of marines standing around. Though it would be funny if there was some marines smoking and stuff. :P


pwner5889
Joined: Jun 13, 2008


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 01:29 AM    Msg. 4 of 86       
1. Don't rip other people's work unless you're going to give them credit.

2. If you're going to record. Get a better PC.

3. Fix the HUD.

That's all I have to say.


CorruptedHalo
Joined: May 18, 2009


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 01:36 AM    Msg. 5 of 86       
Just use CLS's HUD and turn the motion tracker off. simple.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 11:35 AM    Msg. 6 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: jesse

Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.
It's hard to fix something that was ruined on hce ripper.It'd horrify you even more if I left them the same
I like the missile pod, me wants.
...
FIX YOUR DAMN LAG.
it's not as laggy when that stupid camera's not recording but if you have decals off and you killed every last covy in the starting area the lagg would be gone
you're using CMT stuff gtfo.
the only cmt stuff I'm using is the plasma rifle,the spiker projectile,the Ppistol but I'm searching for another pistol to replace it,and the brutes because they're the only good brutes I have that don't go into seizuresAdvanceho's cruddy shadow.
...
Get rid of that HORRIBLE ODST\CMT\Halo 3 HUD.
only odst hud I got so it stays,sorry.
horrible wannabe odst fp arms.
again,didn't make em,only ones I got,they're stayin unless I get a donation,sorry.
But i like the sky.
zanzibar sky,makes the highway above the map look smexy =D

Edited by jesse on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM



answers in red.as for the marines I put some of them in guarding mode because they're guarding the wounded,like on the e3-2003 halo2 demo,and the rest are on the defensive trying to hold off the covies,probably should've tried to tell the storyline in first post to make it more understandable

Story to level:
You're an odst who was sent to help the marines and civies that are in new mombassa.The last marines and civilians alive in the area were driven to the building where you start.As you arrive the covenant catch up and attack the marines as well as cutting off the lagging civilians from the group.Meanwhile the rest of the covenant begin their patrols to search for any other humans.Your job,kill them.
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 11:40 AM    Msg. 7 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.
It's hard to fix something that was ruined on hce ripper.It'd horrify you even more if I left them the same


Problem highlighted in blue.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 11:54 AM    Msg. 8 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.
It's hard to fix something that was ruined on hce ripper.It'd horrify you even more if I left them the same


Problem highlighted in blue.


I fixed most of the errors and I don't have any other relatively good models,if you could tell me whats wrong with it I'd be happy to try and fix it.


SwordMa5ster
Joined: Jul 13, 2009

Come get some!!!


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 12:02 PM    Msg. 9 of 86       
things that could be fixed.

1) you don't need a regular smg and silenced smg just use the silenced smg.
2) spread out the marines in the beggining or have less marines so that you don't have a bunch of marines standing around doing nothing.
3) Maybe make it so that when you get to the part with the shadow you can see troops deploying from the shadow.
4) Add ghosts.
5) Maybe get rid of the missle launcher I personally think without third person its not that great, but some people like it so thats up to you.
6) I personally think that it would be better if you were a Spartan instead of an ODST, but yet again thats up to you. You should add more ODST though instead of it just being all marine allies.


Delicon20
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Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 01:05 PM    Msg. 10 of 86       
quick question,how would you script an elite to enter a ghost when it spawns?


UnevenElefant5
Joined: May 3, 2008

its been fun yall, i'll never forget this site :')


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 01:10 PM    Msg. 11 of 86       
(ai_place [name of elite's encounter])
(object_create [name of ghost])
(vehicle_load_magic "[string of seat to load the actor]" (ai_actors [name of elite's encounter]))

example:
(ai_place ghost_driver)
(object_create ghostyghost)
(vehicle_load_magic ghostyghost "G-driver" (ai_actors ghost_driver))
Edited by UnevenElefant5 on Dec 29, 2009 at 01:11 PM


Delicon20
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:01 PM    Msg. 12 of 86       
I got this error when I tried to compile:

encounter 0 and encounter 1 have the same name "c6"


here's the entire script I'm using for the map:

(script startup cutscene
(begin
(cinematic_start)
(camera_control 1)
(camera_set cut1 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut2 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut3 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut4 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut5 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut6 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_control 0)
(cinematic_set_title tutorial)
(sleep 275)
(cinematic_stop)
)
)

(Script startup
(begin
(ai_place ghost_elite)
(object_create ghost)
(vehicle_load_magic ghost "driver" (ai_actors ghost_elite))

what's wrong?


Flash44x
Joined: Jan 3, 2007

What would you have your arbiter do?


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:06 PM    Msg. 13 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I got this error when I tried to compile:

encounter 0 and encounter 1 have the same name "c6"


here's the entire script I'm using for the map:

(script startup cutscene
(begin
(cinematic_start)
(camera_control 1)
(camera_set cut1 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut2 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut3 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut4 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut5 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_set cut6 100)
(sleep 50)
(camera_control 0)
(cinematic_set_title tutorial)
(sleep 275)
(cinematic_stop)
)
)

(Script startup
(begin
(ai_place ghost_elite)
(object_create ghost)
(vehicle_load_magic ghost "driver" (ai_actors ghost_elite))

what's wrong?


your map is that short ?


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:08 PM    Msg. 14 of 86       
no I just can't script...


Flash44x
Joined: Jan 3, 2007

What would you have your arbiter do?


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:12 PM    Msg. 15 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
no I just can't script...


well i suggest you read more tutorials and look in bungies scripts to learn scripting.
if you cant script you cant make a decent sp map


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:25 PM    Msg. 16 of 86       
You didn't specify a name for your second startup script. Also, you used a (begin. Don't use those unless you're bracketing things inside a certain clause.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:30 PM    Msg. 17 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
You didn't specify a name for your second startup script. Also, you used a (begin. Don't use those unless you're bracketing things inside a certain clause.


what do you mean I didn't specify a name

also how do I look at bungie's scripts?
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:32 PM


Delicon20
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:44 PM    Msg. 18 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: DDT_Ghost
Quote: --- Original message by: jesse

Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.

I like the missile pod, me wants. -Hceripper

FIX YOUR DAMN LAG.

you're using CMT stuff gtfo. -Hceripper

Advanceho's cruddy shadow. -Advancebo, probably the only legit-gained tag in the map, cept for the bsp

Get rid of that HORRIBLE ODST\CMT\Halo 3 HUD. -Hceripper

horrible wannabe odst fp arms. -Guess what? Hceripper

But i like the sky. -Dunno, stopped watching when i saw all that Hceripper stuff


Edited by jesse on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM



I edited most of the stuff from hce ripper hoping that would make you feel a little better because I didn't just throw it in but stuck up ignorant fags like you don't give a crap about people's hard work they just care about searching for any ripped content and then take up space in threads with their useless posts of how the mapper should be crusified for using ripped tags in maps and pointing out what tags are ripped that everyone knew already because it's obvious as hell.Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of my thread.


as for the scripting I've posted numerous times that I'm no good with reading directions.I could read the scripting bible 500 times and wouldn't be able to tell you anything.I could watch a video 1 time and tell you alot more than reading.that's how I learned to make cutscenes.Unless you find a video tutorial on how to make scripts for an sp map don't expect me not to ask about scripts every time I make a thread okay?
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:50 PM


Slayer117
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:46 PM    Msg. 19 of 86       
sorry to say but i only give this map a 1 out of 10. the stuff is not made by you nothing is. only the scripts. heck ive seen better blood gulch mods then this that people use there own stuff in. Come back w/ better weapons that werent thrashed through HCER and use the real odst hud. use stuff you made!


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:53 PM    Msg. 20 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20

Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
You didn't specify a name for your second startup script. Also, you used a (begin. Don't use those unless you're bracketing things inside a certain clause.


what do you mean I didn't specify a name


There's no name in the name spot. In fact, all you put was (script startup.

Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I edited most of the stuff from hce ripper hoping that would make you feel a little better because I didn't just throw it in but stuck up ignorant fags like you don't give a crap about people's hard work they just care about searching for any ripped content and then take up space in threads with their useless posts of how the mapper should be crusified for using ripped tags in maps and pointing out what tags are ripped that everyone knew already because it's obvious as hell.Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of my thread.


What you're saying, is that you spent lots of time tweaking HCERipper's tags to be different. The inherent problem here, is that they're still all ripped tags. You could try asking for permission BEFORE you use them, you know. You're complaining that we're flaming you, because we don't care about how much effort you spent fixing it, but you're the one who isn't respecting the MAPPER's wishes, by just ripping it WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. YOU don't care how much time and effort THEY put into making the tags, and you take it AGAINST THEIR WISHES. Surely you must see the inherent issues here?

Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I really don't give a crap that you rate it low because it has ripped content.

Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of my thread.


Contradiction?


Edited by Gamma927 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:55 PM
Edited by Gamma927 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:16 PM


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 02:54 PM    Msg. 21 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Slayer117
sorry to say but i only give this map a 1 out of 10. the stuff is not made by you nothing is. only the scripts. heck ive seen better blood gulch mods then this that people use there own stuff in. Come back w/ better weapons that werent thrashed through HCER and use the real odst hud. use stuff you made!

sorry to tell you this but I've seen maps worse than mine get 8 out of ten ratings and they don't have custom stuff either so get off my case,if you don't want to play the map don't.That simple, okay?I really don't give a crap that you rate it low because it has ripped content.

I'm looking for people who will rate my map based on how the gameplay looks,if you're blinded by ripped content,get out.
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:57 PM


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:00 PM    Msg. 22 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I'm looking for people who will rate my map based on how the gameplay looks,if you're blinded by ripped content,get out.


Use non-ripped tags then. Sometimes I wonder if humans learn. Time and time again, people make maps using only ripped content, and get flamed for it. If you just want crit on the gameplay, then post a video using classic, or tags that you have permission to use.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:09 PM    Msg. 23 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20

Quote: --- Original message by: DDT_Ghost
Quote: --- Original message by: jesse

Is that ASP's sniper rifle thar? you fugging ruined it.

I like the missile pod, me wants. -Hceripper

FIX YOUR DAMN LAG.

you're using CMT stuff gtfo. -Hceripper

Advanceho's cruddy shadow. -Advancebo, probably the only legit-gained tag in the map, cept for the bsp

Get rid of that HORRIBLE ODST\CMT\Halo 3 HUD. -Hceripper

horrible wannabe odst fp arms. -Guess what? Hceripper

But i like the sky. -Dunno, stopped watching when i saw all that Hceripper stuff


Edited by jesse on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM



I edited most of the stuff from hce ripper hoping that would make you feel a little better because I didn't just throw it in but stuck up ignorant fags like you don't give a crap about people's hard work they just care about searching for any ripped content and then take up space in threads with their useless posts of how the mapper should be crusified for using ripped tags in maps and pointing out what tags are ripped that everyone knew already because it's obvious as hell.Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of my thread.


as for the scripting I've posted numerous times that I'm no good with reading directions.I could read the scripting bible 500 times and wouldn't be able to tell you anything.I could watch a video 1 time and tell you alot more than reading.that's how I learned to make cutscenes.Unless you find a video tutorial on how to make scripts for an sp map don't expect me not to ask about scripts every time I make a thread okay?
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:50 PM


The stuck up fags are actually those who have no effing idea how to do anything except for download hcer stuff, open it in guerilla, change some values and populate an extracted bsp with it, then go ahead make a thread and flame people who tell the truth about your three and a half months work.


ftfy

also what am I supposed to name the script?Is there some keywords I need to add in at the start of it or something?

also I would've made the map classic but I don't like that kind of gameplay because I don't think there's enough weapons
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:11 PM


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:14 PM    Msg. 24 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Oh right, it takes more than an hour to download from hcer, sorry.

Oh, and good to see that you stopped being everyone's darling, Gamma =P


I didn't just rip from hcer,if you had a brain,you'd know that.but,of course what do I expect from someone who's motto is "hce community is dumb as hell" and yet he still wants to be a part of it
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:16 PM


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:16 PM    Msg. 25 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
The stuck up fags are actually those who have no effing idea how to do anything except for download hcer stuff, open it in guerilla, change some values and populate an extracted bsp with it, then go ahead make a thread and flame people who tell the truth about your three and a half months work.

ftfy


Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
You're complaining that we're flaming you, because we don't care about how much effort you spent fixing it, but you're the one who isn't respecting the MAPPER's wishes, by just ripping it WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. YOU don't care how much time and effort THEY put into making the tags, and you take it AGAINST THEIR WISHES. Surely you must see the inherent issues here?


----------------------------------------------
No key words are necessary for the name of the script. Name it whatever you want, as long as it's a single word, and doesn't begin with a digit.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:20 PM    Msg. 26 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Oh right, it takes more than an hour to download from hcer, sorry.

Oh, and good to see that you stopped being everyone's darling, Gamma =P


I didn't just rip from hcer,if you had a brain,you'd know that.


WOW OMG THIS GUY KOOL HE CHANGE VALUE UN GURILLA

Seriously, do one EFFING thing yourself, let it be photoshop stuff or models, whatever



are you like this to everyone who uses ripped content in their maps?or just me?I'm just wondering because I don't remember you flaming the guy who made ascension firefight...
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:20 PM


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:24 PM    Msg. 27 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20

Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
Quote: --- Original message by: Xel
Oh right, it takes more than an hour to download from hcer, sorry.

Oh, and good to see that you stopped being everyone's darling, Gamma =P


I didn't just rip from hcer,if you had a brain,you'd know that.


WOW OMG THIS GUY KOOL HE CHANGE VALUE UN GURILLA

Seriously, do one EFFING thing yourself, let it be photoshop stuff or models, whatever



are you like this to everyone who uses ripped content in their maps?or just me?I'm just wondering because I don't remember you flaming the guy who made ascension firefight...
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:20 PM


sphinxbio, mangenkyo, you, tell me if i forgot someone.

Forgot about the ascension guy, but atleast he seems to have a brain.


okay just checkin.now I know it's nothing personal so you'll have other people to argue with if I ignore you.


Shade117 pro
Joined: Jul 2, 2009

Yeah bro (xfire: blue117pro) I can make cubemaps


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:24 PM    Msg. 28 of 86       
wai u use ripped tags, And with no credit?
Srsly dude, dont use ripped tags & release maps with the ripped tags like that. You'll most likely be flamed to hell.
Btw, Nice try on the map, But ripped tags are gae, USE THE NORMAL TAGSET BUNGIE PROVIDED, And if your gunna use other peoples tags as placeholders without permission, Your screwed, Your guna get flamed to hell (again).
I hope my point gets through.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:36 PM    Msg. 29 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Shade117 pro
wai u use ripped tags, And with no credit?
Srsly dude, dont use ripped tags & release maps with the ripped tags like that. You'll most likely be flamed to hell.
Btw, Nice try on the map, But ripped tags are gae, USE THE NORMAL TAGSET BUNGIE PROVIDED, And if your gunna use other peoples tags as placeholders without permission, Your screwed, Your guna get flamed to hell (again).
I hope my point gets through.


I'm planning on giving full credit to everyone who made the tags and none to me when I release it,I don't like bungies tagset because there aren't alot of weapons,besides at least I'm planning on giving credit,other people would just say the tags don't belong to whoever created them they belong to microsoft,bla,bla,bla.One of the main reasons I got flamed so bad is because I flamed back,and if you fight fire with fire you get a bigger flame,unless of course it's an oil fire and you nuke it than it puts it out...ANYWAY,if I ever make a truly remarkable tagset I'll give it away to everyone and ask them not to give me credit if that will make everyone happy again.

I'll update the thread when I get significantly farther ahead with my map but right now I got some scripting to do.
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 03:38 PM


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:40 PM    Msg. 30 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I'm planning on giving full credit to everyone who made the tags and none to me when I release it


Would be more effective if you asked for permission BEFORE you used their stuff :|

Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
unless of course it's an oil fire and you nuke it than it puts it out..


Quote fail. In Modern Warfare 2, the quote was: "You want to put out an oil fire, sir? You set off a bigger explosion right next to it." If you seriously consider putting out oil fires with nukes, then you sir, need to get your brain checked.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:52 PM    Msg. 31 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
I'm planning on giving full credit to everyone who made the tags and none to me when I release it


Would be more effective if you asked for permission BEFORE you used their stuff :|

Quote: --- Original message by: Delicon20
unless of course it's an oil fire and you nuke it than it puts it out..


Quote fail. In Modern Warfare 2, the quote was: "You want to put out an oil fire, sir? You set off a bigger explosion right next to it." If you seriously consider putting out oil fires with nukes, then you sir, need to get your brain checked.


well I hope I never am forced to consider saving a nation from a russian oil fire then...


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 03:58 PM    Msg. 32 of 86       
There WAS no oil fire in Modern Warfare 2. He's referring to the oil fires caused when COOKING. You can't dump water on it. You have to smother it, or remove the oxygen around it, so it can't continue to burn.


Delicon20
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Still here. Still loves bacon


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 04:21 PM    Msg. 33 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
There WAS no oil fire in Modern Warfare 2. He's referring to the oil fires caused when COOKING. You can't dump water on it. You have to smother it, or remove the oxygen around it, so it can't continue to burn.


I never played the campaign!just specops and mp


also I fixed my script but when I load my map the elites don't enter the ghosts.am I supposed to make something in sapien that tells the ai to enter the ghost.
Edited by Delicon20 on Dec 29, 2009 at 04:23 PM


Donut
Joined: Sep 30, 2006

I swear I'm not actually dead


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 05:00 PM    Msg. 34 of 86       
you got the game and didnt play and campaign :|

what ghost are you using? you have to make sure the vehicle tag for the ghost has driver enabled checked. look at the single player ghost (should be ghost.vehicle) to see how its done


Advancebo
Joined: Jan 14, 2008


Posted: Dec 29, 2009 06:04 PM    Msg. 35 of 86       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
There WAS no oil fire in Modern Warfare 2. He's referring to the oil fires caused when COOKING. You can't dump water on it. You have to smother it, or remove the oxygen around it, so it can't continue to burn.


MW2 mission "Loose Ends", at the very end when Ghost and Roach is killed by Shepherd and his men.

 
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